The compas direction on the elevation circle is wrong

[Con Hennekens]

@Rob-Verhoeff, Tip From Flip: check the time, look at the sun, no need to get off your bike

[Rob Verhoeff]

@Con-Hennekens only works with no clouds

[Dave J 0]

@Con-Hennekens ring with N, S, E and W would be helpful or as the image I posted above.

And the importance of direction or travel with using a compass: https://osmaps.com/discover/guides/a-beginners-guide-to-using-a-compass/

[LennyO]

@Con-Hennekens i agree! And wholeheartedly vote for the N, S, W, E marking on the segment ring.
Personally, my map is oriented North, making the compass unnecessary. But during pracricing all the options i found this red segment confusing, thus i created this topic. Turns out i was not the only one. I am sure there are many more who are just silent or do not use the forum. So, hopefully something good will come out of it!

[Con Hennekens]

@LennyO, Remember that "North UP" does not show where North is whatsoever. It just indicates you are not holding the map upside down...

[LennyO]

@Con-Hennekens said:

@LennyO, Remember that "North UP" does not show where North is whatsoever. It just indicates you are not holding the map upside down...

What about #2 in this descripption:

[Rob Verhoeff]

@LennyO I think it should say: “In this camera mode, the map does not rotate with your direction of travel but always remains oriented toward the top of the map.”

[LennyO]

@Rob-Verhoeff Bravo! That would stop the confusion for everyone! And this change should be announced to all, as I suspect many people are confused to the point of being frustrated.... me included.

[LennyO]

@Rob-Verhoeff said:

@LennyO I think it should say: “In this camera mode, the map does not rotate with your direction of travel but always remains oriented toward the top of the map.”

LennyO said:

@Rob-Verhoeff Bravo! That would stop the confusion for everyone! And this change should be announced to all, as I suspect many people are confused to the point of being frustrated.... me included.

@nick-carthew Hi, Nick! Would you please assist in correcting the Manual. Thx!

[Nick Carthew]

@LennyO I’m not responsible for the manual and personally I think the wording is perfectly clear. The view is called ‘North up’ and the definition in the manual says
‘North will always be up’ I’m unsure what part is unclear!

[LennyO]

@Nick-Carthew Hi, Nick!
Sorry... i thought you are a part of the crew.
The issue is the fact that North will not always be up. I wish it was.
if you put the map in this orientation, you often see that the Red segment on the elevation circle is NOT pointing up, thus contradicting the manual.
Thank you!

[LennyO]

LennyO said:

@Nick-Carthew Hi, Nick!
Sorry... i thought you are a part of the crew.
The issue is the fact that North will not always be up. I wish it was.
if you put the map in this orientation, you often see that the Red segment on the elevation circle is NOT pointing up, thus contradicting the manual.
Thank you!

@nick-carthew Nick, to clarify my previous post I should add - when you are in fact heading North on the map in North up orientation, the Red segment may be pointing somewhere else, but be at the 12 o'clock. And since the Red segment always shows where the North is there is a conflict in the definition in the manual.

[Nick Carthew]

@LennyO
Corjan is aware of the situation and although he doesn’t reply to many forum posts he does read them.

[Corjan Meijerink]

@Nick-Carthew said:

although he doesn’t reply to many forum posts he does read them.

I don’t?

[Nick Carthew]

@Corjan-Meijerink A direct contradiction

[Con Hennekens]

@LennyO, "North will always be up" in this context refers to the north of the map, not to the north pole

[M. Schrijver]

I know the North Pole and North on the map are not exact the same. But considering the few segments of the compass, should then the north pole and north on the map be same?

[Con Hennekens]

@M.-Schrijver, I don't think that makes it easier for most

[BertM]

@Con-Hennekens said:

@M.-Schrijver, I don't think that makes it easier for most

then this post goes from 50 to 500

[LennyO]

@Con-Hennekens Ok, Con! I get it! Not the most intuitive implementation, but it is what it is....
Having said that, I strongly feel that the manual needs to be updated to state what you and @rob-verhoeff are saying.
Every GPS unit is actually North up if you select such an orientation.
Who would ever deduce, reading the manual, that North does not really mean North when it clearly strates that " in the North Up camera vew ( map orientation ) North will always be up".
When people read "North" they can not imagine that it means "North of the map"....

And that includes myself, which caused a major confusion in my head.
What's going on???? I see a discrepancy between what I thought was North and the Red segment! Re-check the manual. The manual says so, then the Red segment must be wrong, correct?
This whoole thing could be easily resolved in two simple steps:

1. Update the manual
2. Put the N,E,S,W cardinal markings on the segmented circle.
   DONE!
   I am sure you would agree with that

Many people are having issues with this thing, so something needs to be done and hopefully soon.
Thank you!