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    Fred Gilbert
    wrote on 5 Nov 2023, 02:04 last edited by
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    If Here is causing high battery usage. Why can't a different map be used?

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      5 Nov 2023, 02:04

      If Here is causing high battery usage. Why can't a different map be used?

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      Dave J 0
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      wrote on 5 Nov 2023, 06:19 last edited by
      #2

      @Fred-Gilbert Look at this thread @Corjan-Meijerink (MRA Dev Team) in a similar topic says,

      “Well OSM doesn’t have a navigation tool (SDK) for our development platform (Flutter). So yeah, pretty impossible.

      As the battery usage is caused by the map rendering, we are looking into workarounds for that, but pretty complex too 😉

      I get another answer from HERE next week so I’ll just keep nagging them 🙂.”

      Kind Regards. Help where I can.
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        5 Nov 2023, 06:19

        @Fred-Gilbert Look at this thread @Corjan-Meijerink (MRA Dev Team) in a similar topic says,

        “Well OSM doesn’t have a navigation tool (SDK) for our development platform (Flutter). So yeah, pretty impossible.

        As the battery usage is caused by the map rendering, we are looking into workarounds for that, but pretty complex too 😉

        I get another answer from HERE next week so I’ll just keep nagging them 🙂.”

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        Dikke Wim
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        wrote on 6 Nov 2023, 11:08 last edited by
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        @Dave-J-0
        Good that you keep nagging them. The high CPU usage is pretty annoying and on my iPhone and the brightness of my screen is often dimmed ....

        Hoping you find a solution.
        Keep up the good work.

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          M. Schrijver
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          wrote on 10 Nov 2023, 19:42 last edited by
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          Maybe Cost related but is TomTom an alternatieve?

          (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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            10 Nov 2023, 19:42

            Maybe Cost related but is TomTom an alternatieve?

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            richtea999
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            wrote on 10 Nov 2023, 20:46 last edited by richtea999 11 Oct 2023, 20:48
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            @M-Schrijver TomTom already have an app - it seems very unlikely that they'd give away the family jewels (so to speak!) to another app developer.

            Especially when MRA is such good competition, and doesn't need dedicated h/w.

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              10 Nov 2023, 20:46

              @M-Schrijver TomTom already have an app - it seems very unlikely that they'd give away the family jewels (so to speak!) to another app developer.

              Especially when MRA is such good competition, and doesn't need dedicated h/w.

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              Rob Verhoeff
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              wrote on 10 Nov 2023, 20:51 last edited by Rob Verhoeff 11 Oct 2023, 20:52
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              @richtea999 Well, so does Here with his HERE WeGo navigation app...

              https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.here.app.maps&hl=nl&gl=US

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                10 Nov 2023, 20:46

                @M-Schrijver TomTom already have an app - it seems very unlikely that they'd give away the family jewels (so to speak!) to another app developer.

                Especially when MRA is such good competition, and doesn't need dedicated h/w.

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                Jack van Tilburg
                wrote on 10 Nov 2023, 20:58 last edited by Jack van Tilburg 11 Oct 2023, 22:45
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                @richtea999 said in Alternative to Here:

                it seems very unlikely that they'd give away the family jewels

                BMW Connected app is based on TomTom.
                And I use it very often (40k km ).
                The iPhone doesn't overheat and power is no problem.
                But the iPhone does not emulate the screen on the device. Screendata is being sent to the TFT.
                But I think that most of the features of Next are impossible to implement in the TomTom engine.

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                  10 Nov 2023, 19:42

                  Maybe Cost related but is TomTom an alternatieve?

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                  Lynchy67
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                  wrote on 10 Nov 2023, 22:19 last edited by
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                  @M-Schrijver

                  If you have an MRA Gold account you can already use the Tom Tom Curvy/Windy Routes Options.

                  Set up your Tom Tom Route using the Tom Tom Map.
                  Then “Expand” X amount of waypoints into it.
                  You will then need to switch it to the Here map and check that all the “Expanded” Waypoints are on the Here Map Routeline.

                  You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                    10 Nov 2023, 22:19

                    @M-Schrijver

                    If you have an MRA Gold account you can already use the Tom Tom Curvy/Windy Routes Options.

                    Set up your Tom Tom Route using the Tom Tom Map.
                    Then “Expand” X amount of waypoints into it.
                    You will then need to switch it to the Here map and check that all the “Expanded” Waypoints are on the Here Map Routeline.

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                    hawebo
                    wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 07:44 last edited by
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                    @Lynchy67 Dein Vorschlag entspricht dem Tutorial für die Erstellung kurvenreicher Routen in MRA. Das funktioniert auch gut so.
                    Aber leider löst es nicht das Problem des hohen Stromverbrauchs bei der Navigation mit den HERE-Karten.

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                      10 Nov 2023, 22:19

                      @M-Schrijver

                      If you have an MRA Gold account you can already use the Tom Tom Curvy/Windy Routes Options.

                      Set up your Tom Tom Route using the Tom Tom Map.
                      Then “Expand” X amount of waypoints into it.
                      You will then need to switch it to the Here map and check that all the “Expanded” Waypoints are on the Here Map Routeline.

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                      Herko ter Horst
                      wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 08:52 last edited by
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                      @Lynchy67 That doesn't help at all with the issues MRA Navigation has using the HERE map.

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                        5 Nov 2023, 02:04

                        If Here is causing high battery usage. Why can't a different map be used?

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                        Rob Verhoeff
                        Alpha tester
                        wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 10:08 last edited by Rob Verhoeff 11 Nov 2023, 10:11
                        #11

                        @Fred-Gilbert HERE is the only map provider that supports the Flutter design platform. Since this app is being developed on that platform, it is not possible to choose another map provider for the navigation engine.

                        See also this post with the awnser from Corjan.

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                          11 Nov 2023, 10:08

                          @Fred-Gilbert HERE is the only map provider that supports the Flutter design platform. Since this app is being developed on that platform, it is not possible to choose another map provider for the navigation engine.

                          See also this post with the awnser from Corjan.

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                          hawebo
                          wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 10:50 last edited by
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                          @Rob-Verhoeff said in Alternative to Here:

                          HERE is the only map provider that supports the Flutter design platform

                          Danke Rob! Damit hat sich meine Frage nach einem Kartenwechsel wohl auch erledigt 😕

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                            11 Nov 2023, 08:52

                            @Lynchy67 That doesn't help at all with the issues MRA Navigation has using the HERE map.

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                            wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 19:06 last edited by Lynchy67 11 Nov 2023, 19:15
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                            @Herko-ter-Horst

                            I have no issues navigating at all.
                            I always use the offline option
                            My Samsung S21+ always gives me a positive increase whenever I'm Navigating
                            I never use Voice prompts and I choose the Simple option for the Maps.
                            I only use the Offline Navigation and Skip waypoints automatically.
                            Everything else in the Functional option is turned off.

                            You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                              11 Nov 2023, 19:06

                              @Herko-ter-Horst

                              I have no issues navigating at all.
                              I always use the offline option
                              My Samsung S21+ always gives me a positive increase whenever I'm Navigating
                              I never use Voice prompts and I choose the Simple option for the Maps.
                              I only use the Offline Navigation and Skip waypoints automatically.
                              Everything else in the Functional option is turned off.

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                              Drabslab
                              wrote on 12 Nov 2023, 15:53 last edited by
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                              @Lynchy67 said in Alternative to Here:

                              @Herko-ter-Horst

                              I have no issues navigating at all.
                              I always use the offline option
                              My Samsung S21+ always gives me a positive increase whenever I'm Navigating
                              I never use Voice prompts and I choose the Simple option for the Maps.
                              I only use the Offline Navigation and Skip waypoints automatically.
                              Everything else in the Functional option is turned off.

                              I read such drastic measures befoe on the forum.

                              If you turn off everything that makes Next interesting, then it works 🙂

                              That may be good as a temporary hack, but not as final solution, I hope.

                              It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                                12 Nov 2023, 15:53

                                @Lynchy67 said in Alternative to Here:

                                @Herko-ter-Horst

                                I have no issues navigating at all.
                                I always use the offline option
                                My Samsung S21+ always gives me a positive increase whenever I'm Navigating
                                I never use Voice prompts and I choose the Simple option for the Maps.
                                I only use the Offline Navigation and Skip waypoints automatically.
                                Everything else in the Functional option is turned off.

                                I read such drastic measures befoe on the forum.

                                If you turn off everything that makes Next interesting, then it works 🙂

                                That may be good as a temporary hack, but not as final solution, I hope.

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                                Lynchy67
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                                wrote on 13 Nov 2023, 08:46 last edited by Lynchy67
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                                @Drabslab

                                The only things interesting to me are my coloured Via Points showing me the POI’s.
                                Scenery, Viewpoints, Historic or notable Buildings, Lakes, Ponds, Mountains, Food/Drink and Fuel.

                                You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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