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    Corjan Meijerink
    Developer
    wrote on 31 Oct 2023, 11:48 last edited by
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    @Drabslab @Con-Hennekens @Rob-Verhoeff Oh you 😆

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      31 Oct 2023, 11:48

      @Drabslab @Con-Hennekens @Rob-Verhoeff Oh you 😆

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      Drabslab
      wrote on 1 Nov 2023, 22:20 last edited by
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      @Corjan-Meijerink how did the meeting go?

      It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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        1 Nov 2023, 22:20

        @Corjan-Meijerink how did the meeting go?

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        Corjan Meijerink
        Developer
        wrote on 1 Nov 2023, 22:50 last edited by
        #8

        @Drabslab fine with regards to expressing frustration about the lack of progress.
        Frustrating given the lack of progress 😉

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          1 Nov 2023, 22:50

          @Drabslab fine with regards to expressing frustration about the lack of progress.
          Frustrating given the lack of progress 😉

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          Con Hennekens
          Alpha tester
          wrote on 2 Nov 2023, 09:09 last edited by
          #9

          @Corjan-Meijerink, haha, I imagine... 👍

          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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            Drabslab
            wrote on 3 Nov 2023, 11:11 last edited by
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            @Corjan-Meijerink grom, i don't like to read "lack of progress".

            If this is a HERE problem and they are not working (fast enough) on a solution, how realistic would it be to navigate using OSM?

            It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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              3 Nov 2023, 11:11

              @Corjan-Meijerink grom, i don't like to read "lack of progress".

              If this is a HERE problem and they are not working (fast enough) on a solution, how realistic would it be to navigate using OSM?

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              Con Hennekens
              Alpha tester
              wrote on 3 Nov 2023, 12:24 last edited by
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              @Drabslab, that would be a complete rewrite of the app. Maybe even sperately for IOS and Android. But I don't think it could be as feature rich as the current platform.

              I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

              Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

              Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                3 Nov 2023, 12:24

                @Drabslab, that would be a complete rewrite of the app. Maybe even sperately for IOS and Android. But I don't think it could be as feature rich as the current platform.

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                Drabslab
                wrote on 3 Nov 2023, 13:46 last edited by
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                @Con-Hennekens said in Stromverbrauch viel zu hoch!:

                that would be a complete rewrite of the app.

                Can't believe that unless the architecture of the app is really bad, and I do not believe that either ? 🙂

                It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                  3 Nov 2023, 13:46

                  @Con-Hennekens said in Stromverbrauch viel zu hoch!:

                  that would be a complete rewrite of the app.

                  Can't believe that unless the architecture of the app is really bad, and I do not believe that either ? 🙂

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                  Corjan Meijerink
                  Developer
                  wrote on 3 Nov 2023, 16:29 last edited by
                  #13

                  Well OSM doesn’t have a navigation tool (SDK) for our development platform (Flutter). So yeah, pretty impossible.

                  As the battery usage is caused by the map rendering, we are looking into workarounds for that, but pretty complex too 😉

                  I get another answer from HERE next week so I’ll just keep nagging them 🙂

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                  • undefined Corjan Meijerink
                    3 Nov 2023, 16:29

                    Well OSM doesn’t have a navigation tool (SDK) for our development platform (Flutter). So yeah, pretty impossible.

                    As the battery usage is caused by the map rendering, we are looking into workarounds for that, but pretty complex too 😉

                    I get another answer from HERE next week so I’ll just keep nagging them 🙂

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                    richtea999
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                    wrote on 5 Nov 2023, 17:51 last edited by richtea999 11 May 2023, 17:52
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                    @Corjan-Meijerink said in Stromverbrauch viel zu hoch!:

                    Well OSM doesn’t have a navigation tool (SDK) for our development platform (Flutter). So yeah, pretty impossible.

                    As the battery usage is caused by the map rendering, we are looking into workarounds for that, but pretty complex too 😉

                    I get another answer from HERE next week so I’ll just keep nagging them 🙂

                    Do HERE state the difference between their pure Android/iOS API battery usage and their Flutter version? If they're all bad, no amount of tinkering will bring the Flutter version round.

                    Another angle to investigate is whether their own app has the same battery problems:

                    • https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.here.app.maps

                    An hour or two's ride will confirm it's their problem, not just MRA's implementation.

                    And finally - a long shot, but if things don't improve then a possible fallback:

                    • https://pub.dev/packages/flutter_mapbox_navigation

                    I've no doubt there are holes compared to HERE functionality (no offline maps/routing?), but then again it might render with lower battery usage.

                    If nothing else it may act as a gentle lever/reminder for HERE to pull their finger out if you mention you're investigating alternatives.

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                      5 Nov 2023, 17:51

                      @Corjan-Meijerink said in Stromverbrauch viel zu hoch!:

                      Well OSM doesn’t have a navigation tool (SDK) for our development platform (Flutter). So yeah, pretty impossible.

                      As the battery usage is caused by the map rendering, we are looking into workarounds for that, but pretty complex too 😉

                      I get another answer from HERE next week so I’ll just keep nagging them 🙂

                      Do HERE state the difference between their pure Android/iOS API battery usage and their Flutter version? If they're all bad, no amount of tinkering will bring the Flutter version round.

                      Another angle to investigate is whether their own app has the same battery problems:

                      • https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.here.app.maps

                      An hour or two's ride will confirm it's their problem, not just MRA's implementation.

                      And finally - a long shot, but if things don't improve then a possible fallback:

                      • https://pub.dev/packages/flutter_mapbox_navigation

                      I've no doubt there are holes compared to HERE functionality (no offline maps/routing?), but then again it might render with lower battery usage.

                      If nothing else it may act as a gentle lever/reminder for HERE to pull their finger out if you mention you're investigating alternatives.

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                      Corjan Meijerink
                      Developer
                      wrote on 5 Nov 2023, 19:25 last edited by Corjan Meijerink 11 May 2023, 19:26
                      #15

                      @richtea999 thanks for thinking along 😉
                      Their app (especially the Flutter reference app) display similar high battery usage.

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                        richtea999
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                        wrote on 5 Nov 2023, 21:00 last edited by
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                        @Corjan-Meijerink Oh, that's both good and bad:
                        Your code is good, Corjan!
                        And theirs is just a little bit sh*t.

                        They need a Flutter expert. And it's not me.

                        If they added it to pub.dev and made the API/interface open source on GitHub, they'd get some free feedback, possibly some fixes, and some publicity/sales, since it's the backend that makes them money.

                        Good luck discussing that with them!

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                          hawebo
                          wrote on 10 Nov 2023, 11:13 last edited by
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                          Screenshot_20231110-112308.png Screenshot_20231110-112328.png

                          Habe heute eine ca. 50 km Vergleichsfahrt gemacht, um die Akkunutzung zu testen. Auf dem Hinweg habe ich mit HERE WeGo navigiert, auf dem Rückweg mit MyRouteApp.
                          Die Akkunutzung unterscheidet sich gerade einmal um 3% zu Lasten vom MRA, siehe Screenshots.
                          Anzumerken ist noch, das HERE WeGo während der Navigation 8 Mal abgestürtzt ist und MRA 1 Mal in den Offlinmodus gewechselt ist.
                          Gruß hawebo

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                            10 Nov 2023, 11:13

                            Screenshot_20231110-112308.png Screenshot_20231110-112328.png

                            Habe heute eine ca. 50 km Vergleichsfahrt gemacht, um die Akkunutzung zu testen. Auf dem Hinweg habe ich mit HERE WeGo navigiert, auf dem Rückweg mit MyRouteApp.
                            Die Akkunutzung unterscheidet sich gerade einmal um 3% zu Lasten vom MRA, siehe Screenshots.
                            Anzumerken ist noch, das HERE WeGo während der Navigation 8 Mal abgestürtzt ist und MRA 1 Mal in den Offlinmodus gewechselt ist.
                            Gruß hawebo

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                            Corjan Meijerink
                            Developer
                            wrote on 10 Nov 2023, 12:44 last edited by
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                            @hawebo exactly! Thanks for confirming this 🙂
                            The root cause really is originating from the HERE map rendering. Quite frustrating.

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                              10 Nov 2023, 12:44

                              @hawebo exactly! Thanks for confirming this 🙂
                              The root cause really is originating from the HERE map rendering. Quite frustrating.

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                              Drabslab
                              wrote on 10 Nov 2023, 13:49 last edited by
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                              @Corjan-Meijerink

                              Considering that this long standign issue is hindering the further development of MRA, and is annoying your user base, maybe you start negotiating a price reduction from HERE?

                              Usually, tyhat is a language they understand

                              It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                                10 Nov 2023, 12:44

                                @hawebo exactly! Thanks for confirming this 🙂
                                The root cause really is originating from the HERE map rendering. Quite frustrating.

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                                hawebo
                                wrote on 10 Nov 2023, 14:11 last edited by
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                                @Corjan-Meijerink said in Stromverbrauch viel zu hoch!:

                                exactly! Thanks for confirming this
                                The root cause really is originating from the HERE map rendering. Quite frustrating.

                                Könnte MRA in dem Fall nicht erwägen, auf die Kartendarstellung von TomTom zu wechseln?
                                Damit wäre die Planung von kurven- bzw höhenreichen Routen einfach und keine anschließende Übertragung/Speicherung nach HERE mehr erforderlich.

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                                • undefined Corjan Meijerink
                                  10 Nov 2023, 12:44

                                  @hawebo exactly! Thanks for confirming this 🙂
                                  The root cause really is originating from the HERE map rendering. Quite frustrating.

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                                  Dave J 0
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                                  wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 11:07 last edited by
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                                  @Corjan-Meijerink Just for your info, the change in the last SDK appears to have made the power consumption problem very much worse for me with no change in my installation setup and/or use. With the previous SDK, my Google 6 Pro would slowly charge up to 100% and that is why the last change in version to 4.0.6 232 (with SDK change) appears to have drastically changed the power consumption for the worse with me losing 80% of my battery over 4 hours whilst charging yesterday. Other nav apps allow the battery to charge on the same setup. Thought this might help with feedback to HERE and to maybe help you.

                                  Kind Regards. Help where I can.
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                                    10 Nov 2023, 14:11

                                    @Corjan-Meijerink said in Stromverbrauch viel zu hoch!:

                                    exactly! Thanks for confirming this
                                    The root cause really is originating from the HERE map rendering. Quite frustrating.

                                    Könnte MRA in dem Fall nicht erwägen, auf die Kartendarstellung von TomTom zu wechseln?
                                    Damit wäre die Planung von kurven- bzw höhenreichen Routen einfach und keine anschließende Übertragung/Speicherung nach HERE mehr erforderlich.

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                                    Rob Verhoeff
                                    Alpha tester
                                    wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 12:10 last edited by
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                                    @hawebo said in Stromverbrauch viel zu hoch!:

                                    Könnte MRA in dem Fall nicht erwägen, auf die Kartendarstellung von TomTom zu wechseln?

                                    Scroll up to the awnser of Corjan 👆
                                    HERE is the only map provider that supports the Flutter design platform. Since this app is being developed on that platform, it is not possible to choose another map provider for the navigation engine.

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                                      11 Nov 2023, 12:10

                                      @hawebo said in Stromverbrauch viel zu hoch!:

                                      Könnte MRA in dem Fall nicht erwägen, auf die Kartendarstellung von TomTom zu wechseln?

                                      Scroll up to the awnser of Corjan 👆
                                      HERE is the only map provider that supports the Flutter design platform. Since this app is being developed on that platform, it is not possible to choose another map provider for the navigation engine.

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                                      Drabslab
                                      wrote on 11 Nov 2023, 14:27 last edited by
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                                      @Rob-Verhoeff i understand. I also understand that i cannot use Next until this problem is solved.

                                      It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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