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GPX Versions 1.1 vs 1.2 for Garmin Visually Explained

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  • Steve Jarrellundefined Steve Jarrell

    @Carl-Lee I'm not sure what's going on, but as I've said before, I personally take Tread and other intermediate apps out of the mix and get down to the basics that I can see and understand.... Directly upload the 1.2 .gpx file via USP to the Garmin's /.gpx folder, import it, then look at the results.

    Using the 1.2 format, the Garmin (XT, XT2 or 3) should not be able to (will NOT in my testing) create a route that deviates from the route that you see in MRA as the Garmin route WILL be forced to follow the .gpx file's embeded track's "breadcrumb" to create the route and disregard the Garmin's own routing logic.

    If you choose to use Tread, Drive, Basecamp, MRA or any other file transfer method other than a direct USB transfer to copy your .gpx file from your computer's hard drive to your Garmin device's /gpx folder, then you are choosing to accept the ambiguity of not knowing whether or not that the file was properly transferred to the device.

    If you can't see that the .gpx file that's located on your local drive was successfully copied to the Garmin's /gpx folder YOU CANNOT know for certain that it has been transferred properly.

    Before anyone slams me with "the xyz app has always worked perfectly for me" believe me..... I understand!

    Even though you may not be having an issue with your particular configuration and apps (GREAT! keep doing what you're doing!), for anyone who is having issues this is where troubleshooting should begin. Eliminating variables one by one is the first step in troubleshooting a technical problem. Direct transfer of the .gpx file eliminates many of the variables. That's a fact!

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    @Steve-Jarrell I finally got around to playing with 1.2, and I'm impressed. Here is a screenshot of one of the most troublesome routes I've recently created, and it passed my 1.2 test perfectly:

    6c0568b5-c0c8-4606-aa90-d780cc759b98-image.jpeg

    It's a single very rural road that partially crosses the southernmost Sierra Nevada. It's a challenging road to route because it requires precisely positioned shaping points (using 1.1) to Import into a Garmin. I probably have more overall shaping points than needed, but 2 WPs in particular (23&24), as they are exactly placed, are absolutely necessary. It's a unique jog on the road that messes up recalculation on my Zumo otherwise.

    Initially, it took a lot of iterative back-and-forth between MRA and my Zumo to finally solve the puzzle. I literally spend hours playing with different shaping point scenarios before solving the mystery. Now with 1.2, I can delete WPs 23&24 and the route recalculates on the Zumo correctly. I'm finally going to able to achieve "what you see on MRA is what you get in the Zomo".

    1.2 is definitely going to make life easier for trickier situations like this.

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    • John S Parryundefined John S Parry

      @Steve-Jarrell I finally got around to playing with 1.2, and I'm impressed. Here is a screenshot of one of the most troublesome routes I've recently created, and it passed my 1.2 test perfectly:

      6c0568b5-c0c8-4606-aa90-d780cc759b98-image.jpeg

      It's a single very rural road that partially crosses the southernmost Sierra Nevada. It's a challenging road to route because it requires precisely positioned shaping points (using 1.1) to Import into a Garmin. I probably have more overall shaping points than needed, but 2 WPs in particular (23&24), as they are exactly placed, are absolutely necessary. It's a unique jog on the road that messes up recalculation on my Zumo otherwise.

      Initially, it took a lot of iterative back-and-forth between MRA and my Zumo to finally solve the puzzle. I literally spend hours playing with different shaping point scenarios before solving the mystery. Now with 1.2, I can delete WPs 23&24 and the route recalculates on the Zumo correctly. I'm finally going to able to achieve "what you see on MRA is what you get in the Zomo".

      1.2 is definitely going to make life easier for trickier situations like this.

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      wrote last edited by Steve Jarrell
      #38

      @John-S-Parry Yep, the concept behind 1.2 is brilliant.... include the track inside of the route information so that the Garmin has no choice but to follow it. I used to have to also include a LOT of shaping points to make my Garmin calculate its route match MRA's route, but no more!

      Thanks for the information!!

      Steve Jarrell
      Western North Carolina US

      Lifetime Routeplanner Gold & Navigation Next
      2025 BMW R1200GS
      2025 Can-Am Spyder
      DMD T865-X 8" Tablet
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        I have been reading up on all of your post and trying to lean as much as possible.
        I created a route with all via points and when I set off it did not take me to via point 2 which is just a couple of hundred meters down the road from point 1, It kept trying to send me back to via point 1. Attached is a foto of the firts waypoints. Any help would be much appreciated. I saved the route as 1.2.

        2252.jpg

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        • Simon James Hancockundefined Simon James Hancock

          I have been reading up on all of your post and trying to lean as much as possible.
          I created a route with all via points and when I set off it did not take me to via point 2 which is just a couple of hundred meters down the road from point 1, It kept trying to send me back to via point 1. Attached is a foto of the firts waypoints. Any help would be much appreciated. I saved the route as 1.2.

          2252.jpg

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          Nick Carthew
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          #40

          @Simon-James-Hancock It is always advisable to position the first waypoint 100+ metres from the actual start point, this ensures that the first point is registered as being passed. You were being directed back because the first point was missed.

          Always willing to help if I can.
          Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
          MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox BJ8

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            Simon James Hancock
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            #41

            Thanks Nick for all of your help and work.
            Even when I passed the second via point it was sending me back to the first.
            Will it always try and send me back to the first via poin regardless on how far down the route i am?
            I would like to upload my GPX file for further inspection but I am still not allowed.

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            • Simon James Hancockundefined Simon James Hancock

              Thanks Nick for all of your help and work.
              Even when I passed the second via point it was sending me back to the first.
              Will it always try and send me back to the first via poin regardless on how far down the route i am?
              I would like to upload my GPX file for further inspection but I am still not allowed.

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              #42

              @Simon-James-Hancock Yes, you’ll always be sent back to missed via points, via points are never automatically skipped you would need to manually skip a missed via point.

              Always willing to help if I can.
              Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
              MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox BJ8

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                #43

                How do I manually skip a missed via point.
                In the situation I found myself was their anyway I could have carried on my route without having had to go back to the first via point?

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                • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                  @Simon-James-Hancock It is always advisable to position the first waypoint 100+ metres from the actual start point, this ensures that the first point is registered as being passed. You were being directed back because the first point was missed.

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                  #44

                  @Nick-Carthew Exactly. I think we all learn that the hard way! 🙂

                  Steve Jarrell
                  Western North Carolina US

                  Lifetime Routeplanner Gold & Navigation Next
                  2025 BMW R1200GS
                  2025 Can-Am Spyder
                  DMD T865-X 8" Tablet
                  Garmin XT3

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                  • Simon James Hancockundefined Simon James Hancock

                    How do I manually skip a missed via point.
                    In the situation I found myself was their anyway I could have carried on my route without having had to go back to the first via point?

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                    #45

                    @Simon-James-Hancock Refer to this help page for this answer and many others...

                    "When navigating, you can skip a waypoint by clicking on the next waypoint (top right button - screen 4). When pressing briefly, you must confirm the choice; when pressed for a long time, it is skipped immediately;

                    You can also skip multiple waypoints by going to the list of waypoints (three dots at the bottom right - screen 4) and clicking on the waypoint where the navigation should go directly;
                    Just like when starting up, you can also hold down the waypoint/point on the route line during navigation on the map to navigate directly there."

                    Steve Jarrell
                    Western North Carolina US

                    Lifetime Routeplanner Gold & Navigation Next
                    2025 BMW R1200GS
                    2025 Can-Am Spyder
                    DMD T865-X 8" Tablet
                    Garmin XT3

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                      #46

                      My route is saved as 1,2 and all od my points are via points.
                      I do not see the top right button.

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