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  • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

    @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA, I think the keyword here is:

    normal route points do not need to be announced for me.

    I use announcements on shaping points A LOT, to point to interesting things along the road. It would be unwise to make them mandatory just to be able to get the note spoken. It would defy the purpose of auto-skipping.

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    @Con-Hennekens

    Then I would leave it as it is now. You can choose.

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    • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

      @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA, I think the keyword here is:

      normal route points do not need to be announced for me.

      I use announcements on shaping points A LOT, to point to interesting things along the road. It would be unwise to make them mandatory just to be able to get the note spoken. It would defy the purpose of auto-skipping.

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      @Con-Hennekens

      for me a conflict, use SPs for additional may important infos like highlights longside the street and these could be skipped.

      The only big problem for me is the 2 Kilometer distance for POI annoncements with only one call which than may up to 2 minutes to reach the point and for the final destination you got 3 calls.

      Peter

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      • Peter Schieferundefined Peter Schiefer

        @Con-Hennekens

        for me a conflict, use SPs for additional may important infos like highlights longside the street and these could be skipped.

        The only big problem for me is the 2 Kilometer distance for POI annoncements with only one call which than may up to 2 minutes to reach the point and for the final destination you got 3 calls.

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        @Con-Hennekens said in Suggestion for announcements:

        @RetiredWingMan said in Suggestion for announcements:

        I like being able to change the name of the waypoint. That way i can easily tell what the waypoint is when looking at the list of waypoints.  I would prefer that a waypoint name that has been manually entered not be changed it I move the waypoint.

        That is a great addition, thanks!

        I think the system already does this,
        in the web planner when you drag / move an existing point it will open a confirmation dialog box after the point is placed
        if you select "Cancel" the new position is accepted but the new name is not, the old previously entered name is retained
        in the mobile route planner it is a little bit more awkward / unintuitive
        pick a point & select the move icon
        after you have moved the point to the new location & click "move" to accept the new spot
        the confirmation / point information panel appears
        634a280f-4c1a-4131-8206-f2a89ea5c036-image.png
        at the top you will see the new location / spot name
        in the name box you will see the old previous name
        simply place the cursor in the name box then type or add a space / backspace
        just do something in the name box
        when you now close the confirmation / point information panel the OLD name will be retained

        by the way I am just extending / repeating what @Peter-Schiefer mentioned in an earlier post

        & I appreciate nobody has taken the time to even consider or find fault with my suggestion, it is so simple, maybe its complicated 😂

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        • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

          @Con-Hennekens said in Suggestion for announcements:

          @RetiredWingMan said in Suggestion for announcements:

          I like being able to change the name of the waypoint. That way i can easily tell what the waypoint is when looking at the list of waypoints.  I would prefer that a waypoint name that has been manually entered not be changed it I move the waypoint.

          That is a great addition, thanks!

          I think the system already does this,
          in the web planner when you drag / move an existing point it will open a confirmation dialog box after the point is placed
          if you select "Cancel" the new position is accepted but the new name is not, the old previously entered name is retained
          in the mobile route planner it is a little bit more awkward / unintuitive
          pick a point & select the move icon
          after you have moved the point to the new location & click "move" to accept the new spot
          the confirmation / point information panel appears
          634a280f-4c1a-4131-8206-f2a89ea5c036-image.png
          at the top you will see the new location / spot name
          in the name box you will see the old previous name
          simply place the cursor in the name box then type or add a space / backspace
          just do something in the name box
          when you now close the confirmation / point information panel the OLD name will be retained

          by the way I am just extending / repeating what @Peter-Schiefer mentioned in an earlier post

          & I appreciate nobody has taken the time to even consider or find fault with my suggestion, it is so simple, maybe its complicated 😂

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          #28

          @Brian-McG When I read all the reactions I get the idea that no one has read my proposal. Because everything that the various people want can be solved like this.

          In my opinion, it is simple and straightforward to solve. Place all the text you want to be spoken in the notes field. Make sure you can check the box that you want to have that text spoken. If you do not check anything, it is just a standard note. Where you place this point in the route, it is spoken. If you want to report two kilometers before the gas station that there is a gas and coffee stop in two kilometers, then you place the message two kilometers before the gas station. You indicate the location of the gas station in your route in the usual way. This way, everyone is free to have something reported in distance or time and only an option needs to be created to have a text of your choice spoken. It does not matter whether you want to use a formation point or a via point for this. If there are people who still want to hear all the text or all the notes, you can give them a choice in Navigation settings/audio as it is by now.

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          • Baltusundefined Baltus

            @Brian-McG When I read all the reactions I get the idea that no one has read my proposal. Because everything that the various people want can be solved like this.

            In my opinion, it is simple and straightforward to solve. Place all the text you want to be spoken in the notes field. Make sure you can check the box that you want to have that text spoken. If you do not check anything, it is just a standard note. Where you place this point in the route, it is spoken. If you want to report two kilometers before the gas station that there is a gas and coffee stop in two kilometers, then you place the message two kilometers before the gas station. You indicate the location of the gas station in your route in the usual way. This way, everyone is free to have something reported in distance or time and only an option needs to be created to have a text of your choice spoken. It does not matter whether you want to use a formation point or a via point for this. If there are people who still want to hear all the text or all the notes, you can give them a choice in Navigation settings/audio as it is by now.

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            @Baltus
            Baltus,
            Long text in verbal announcement, be carefull, I do not know what the „Mother language“ for MRA text infos is, but I detect that with German text you got relativ often not understandable words.The internal engine for text to speach is not perfect. And a longer text will come in conflict with routing instructions.

            I propose not to use more then 5 to 8 words in one sentence.

            Peter

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            • Baltusundefined Baltus

              @Brian-McG When I read all the reactions I get the idea that no one has read my proposal. Because everything that the various people want can be solved like this.

              In my opinion, it is simple and straightforward to solve. Place all the text you want to be spoken in the notes field. Make sure you can check the box that you want to have that text spoken. If you do not check anything, it is just a standard note. Where you place this point in the route, it is spoken. If you want to report two kilometers before the gas station that there is a gas and coffee stop in two kilometers, then you place the message two kilometers before the gas station. You indicate the location of the gas station in your route in the usual way. This way, everyone is free to have something reported in distance or time and only an option needs to be created to have a text of your choice spoken. It does not matter whether you want to use a formation point or a via point for this. If there are people who still want to hear all the text or all the notes, you can give them a choice in Navigation settings/audio as it is by now.

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              Hi @Baltus it is fun how we all like to write but not so much to read 😂
              & I have to say thank you for raising the original post that started all this discussion 👍 👍

              First I would like to say there are two parts to the announcement question

              1. The What
              2. The When
                I find conflating options/ scenarios to just lead to confusion & nobody really understanding or looking at the issues in their simplest form

              My previous suggestion soley refers to "The What", this being what will be announced & what the structure or triggers are for controlling the announcement
              & @Baltus I think we are saying the same thing regards the control, I think my suggestion does exactly the same as what you are saying, it just does not require any check box

              as for "The When" I was trying to avoid this topic as it has been rehashed many times on here & any change regarding this always seems to be pushed down, I was hoping maybe to get the control / trigger side of things changed first then maybe with some luck "The When" but as everyone wants to join the issues.....

              Again @Baltus I agree with you 100%, the whole 750m shape point, 2km Via points is daft & have said as much here
              Having the announced point name / notes occur at the location the point is placed gives the user the most control.

              If the What was announced & the When was made & controlled as per my 2 suggestions I think there is enough flexibility in that setup that everyone could have what they want to hear, when they want to hear it

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                @Con-Hennekens said in Suggestion for announcements:

                @RetiredWingMan said in Suggestion for announcements:

                I like being able to change the name of the waypoint. That way i can easily tell what the waypoint is when looking at the list of waypoints.  I would prefer that a waypoint name that has been manually entered not be changed it I move the waypoint.

                That is a great addition, thanks!

                I think the system already does this,
                in the web planner when you drag / move an existing point it will open a confirmation dialog box after the point is placed
                if you select "Cancel" the new position is accepted but the new name is not, the old previously entered name is retained
                in the mobile route planner it is a little bit more awkward / unintuitive
                pick a point & select the move icon
                after you have moved the point to the new location & click "move" to accept the new spot
                the confirmation / point information panel appears
                634a280f-4c1a-4131-8206-f2a89ea5c036-image.png
                at the top you will see the new location / spot name
                in the name box you will see the old previous name
                simply place the cursor in the name box then type or add a space / backspace
                just do something in the name box
                when you now close the confirmation / point information panel the OLD name will be retained

                by the way I am just extending / repeating what @Peter-Schiefer mentioned in an earlier post

                & I appreciate nobody has taken the time to even consider or find fault with my suggestion, it is so simple, maybe its complicated 😂

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                @Brian-McG said in Suggestion for announcements:

                in the web planner when you drag / move an existing point it will open a confirmation dialog box after the point is placed
                if you select "Cancel" the new position is accepted but the new name is not, the old previously entered name is retained

                Yes, it does that, but only when you have this option active: "Ask for route point name".

                d14d8bcb-0275-4717-b04d-ba09ce1776c1-image.png

                I never use that option, because I don't want pop-ups on ALL waypoints I place or move.

                & I appreciate nobody has taken the time to even consider or find fault with my suggestion,

                I read EVERYTHING 😉
                (well, almost! 🤣 )

                I think our approaches don't differ that much.

                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

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                • Peter Schieferundefined Peter Schiefer

                  @Baltus
                  Baltus,
                  Long text in verbal announcement, be carefull, I do not know what the „Mother language“ for MRA text infos is, but I detect that with German text you got relativ often not understandable words.The internal engine for text to speach is not perfect. And a longer text will come in conflict with routing instructions.

                  I propose not to use more then 5 to 8 words in one sentence.

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                  @Peter-Schiefer Dear Peter, if I understand your question correctly, your German text is pronounced in a very strange way. If so, have you set the correct voice for the pronunciation? When you choose audio in your navigation settings, the second line from the top says "Voice" (Stem). Behind that you can tap and choose from 9 different German voices. It would be strange if there is not a speech that is good for you.

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                  • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

                    Hi @Baltus it is fun how we all like to write but not so much to read 😂
                    & I have to say thank you for raising the original post that started all this discussion 👍 👍

                    First I would like to say there are two parts to the announcement question

                    1. The What
                    2. The When
                      I find conflating options/ scenarios to just lead to confusion & nobody really understanding or looking at the issues in their simplest form

                    My previous suggestion soley refers to "The What", this being what will be announced & what the structure or triggers are for controlling the announcement
                    & @Baltus I think we are saying the same thing regards the control, I think my suggestion does exactly the same as what you are saying, it just does not require any check box

                    as for "The When" I was trying to avoid this topic as it has been rehashed many times on here & any change regarding this always seems to be pushed down, I was hoping maybe to get the control / trigger side of things changed first then maybe with some luck "The When" but as everyone wants to join the issues.....

                    Again @Baltus I agree with you 100%, the whole 750m shape point, 2km Via points is daft & have said as much here
                    Having the announced point name / notes occur at the location the point is placed gives the user the most control.

                    If the What was announced & the When was made & controlled as per my 2 suggestions I think there is enough flexibility in that setup that everyone could have what they want to hear, when they want to hear it

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                    @Brian-McG Dear Brian, Thanks for your response. I myself often have the tendency to not read properly. But because this topic raised so many questions for me, I have delved into it. There are a number of responses from people who are completely fine with the existing system. They should certainly remain satisfied. You, and I and probably more people find it all illogical and too complicated. In order to keep/get those two groups satisfied and not have to make too big a change, I made this proposal. You can leave the existing system completely as it is. So group 1 is happy. If you choose "Off" in the navigation settings for waypoint messages, an option will appear in the "Note field" of a Formation point or a Via point to check "Pronounce". If you do not check the box, it is just a note. If you do check the box, only the text from this box will be pronounced when you pass the point. I think group 2 will then also be happy.

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                    • Baltusundefined Baltus

                      @Peter-Schiefer Dear Peter, if I understand your question correctly, your German text is pronounced in a very strange way. If so, have you set the correct voice for the pronunciation? When you choose audio in your navigation settings, the second line from the top says "Voice" (Stem). Behind that you can tap and choose from 9 different German voices. It would be strange if there is not a speech that is good for you.

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                      @Baltus said in Suggestion for announcements:

                      @Peter-Schiefer Dear Peter, if I understand your question correctly, your German text is pronounced in a very strange way. If so, have you set the correct voice for the pronunciation? When you choose audio in your navigation settings, the second line from the top says "Voice" (Stem). Behind that you can tap and choose from 9 different German voices. It would be strange if there is not a speech that is good for you.

                      Strange is that German words are spoken in English
                      Sample near cologne is a small village written „Much“. the german spelling is Mu like the „bu“ from butcher and the ch froh Machine has no englisch sound it is more a „chr“. MRA speak is like the english „(too) much“
                      So it is not a dialekt it is a problem of interpretation
                      And so the wording or speling especially of proper names could be funny.

                      Peter

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                      • Peter Schieferundefined Peter Schiefer

                        @Baltus said in Suggestion for announcements:

                        @Peter-Schiefer Dear Peter, if I understand your question correctly, your German text is pronounced in a very strange way. If so, have you set the correct voice for the pronunciation? When you choose audio in your navigation settings, the second line from the top says "Voice" (Stem). Behind that you can tap and choose from 9 different German voices. It would be strange if there is not a speech that is good for you.

                        Strange is that German words are spoken in English
                        Sample near cologne is a small village written „Much“. the german spelling is Mu like the „bu“ from butcher and the ch froh Machine has no englisch sound it is more a „chr“. MRA speak is like the english „(too) much“
                        So it is not a dialekt it is a problem of interpretation
                        And so the wording or speling especially of proper names could be funny.

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                        @Peter-Schiefer said in Suggestion for announcements:

                        Strange is that German words are spoken in English
                        Sample near cologne is a small village written „Much“. the german spelling is Mu like the „bu“ from butcher and the ch froh Machine has no englisch sound it is more a „chr“. MRA speak is like the english „(too) much“
                        So it is not a dialekt it is a problem of interpretation
                        And so the wording or speling especially of proper names could be funny.

                        The text to speech engine is coming from your phone, MRA does not supply text to speech.

                        The iPhone has 11 German voices to choose from.

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