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  • undefined Nick Carthew
    11 Sept 2023, 22:43

    @Stefan-Hummelink Ha ha 😅 I’m never afraid to say I was wrong. #LandscapeRules

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    Lynchy67
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    wrote on 12 Sept 2023, 04:26 last edited by
    #18

    @Nick-Carthew

    My Tiger 900 Rally Pro on a PCP has now gone back to Triumph.
    On Friday I pickup the 1200 Tiger Rally Pro, which I’ve bought outright, again in the Khaki Green with the White sub frame.
    No more chain maintenance Woo Hoo!
    It’s fully loaded with every extra they have, including the Ceramic Coating which they have introduced this year.
    As I live in South London, (The land of thieving Toe Rags) I mount the Quadlock on a 1” ball so I can easily take it off and stick it in the back box when stopping.
    I will try Landscape but I suspect I’ll stick with Portrait.
    Only 4 days to go 👍

    You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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    • undefined Lynchy67
      12 Sept 2023, 04:26

      @Nick-Carthew

      My Tiger 900 Rally Pro on a PCP has now gone back to Triumph.
      On Friday I pickup the 1200 Tiger Rally Pro, which I’ve bought outright, again in the Khaki Green with the White sub frame.
      No more chain maintenance Woo Hoo!
      It’s fully loaded with every extra they have, including the Ceramic Coating which they have introduced this year.
      As I live in South London, (The land of thieving Toe Rags) I mount the Quadlock on a 1” ball so I can easily take it off and stick it in the back box when stopping.
      I will try Landscape but I suspect I’ll stick with Portrait.
      Only 4 days to go 👍

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      Rob Verhoeff
      Alpha tester
      wrote on 12 Sept 2023, 17:24 last edited by
      #19

      @Lynchy67 geef het een kans... veilige en goede rit 👍

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      • undefined Rob Verhoeff
        10 Sept 2023, 18:38

        @Lynchy67 heb je portait en landscape al eens naast elkaar gezien? Leg mij het verschil eens uit. Ik zie in beide gevallen evenveel van de weg.
        Alhoewel, in portrait stand zie ik eigenlijk minder van de weg omdat die door dat blauwe blok met tekst heenloopt…

        Portrait:
        IMG_9084.PNG

        Landscape:
        IMG_9085.PNG

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        Dikke Wim
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        wrote on 13 Sept 2023, 17:33 last edited by
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        @Rob-Verhoeff
        In landscape mode zie je wel hetzelfde (ongeveer), maar het oppervalk waarop je dat ziet is veel kleiner. En, dus ook de resolutie waarmee dat wordt getoond.
        In mijn beleving is het dus niet vergelijkbaar.

        Daarmee blijft mijn suggestie staan: verklein de rijbaaninstructie
        Supersuggestie van @PeterKerkhof om een optie te maken zodat je door te klikken op de rijbaaninstructie deze kunt laten verdwijnen.

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        • undefined Dikke Wim
          13 Sept 2023, 17:33

          @Rob-Verhoeff
          In landscape mode zie je wel hetzelfde (ongeveer), maar het oppervalk waarop je dat ziet is veel kleiner. En, dus ook de resolutie waarmee dat wordt getoond.
          In mijn beleving is het dus niet vergelijkbaar.

          Daarmee blijft mijn suggestie staan: verklein de rijbaaninstructie
          Supersuggestie van @PeterKerkhof om een optie te maken zodat je door te klikken op de rijbaaninstructie deze kunt laten verdwijnen.

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          Jack van Tilburg
          wrote on 13 Sept 2023, 17:45 last edited by Jack van Tilburg
          #21

          @Dikke-Wim said in Rijbaaninstructie op snelwegen: veel te groot en komt te vroeg!:

          In landscape mode zie je wel hetzelfde (ongeveer), maar het oppervalk waarop je dat ziet is veel kleiner. En, dus ook de resolutie waarmee dat wordt getoond.
          In mijn beleving is het dus niet vergelijkbaar.

          Daarmee ben ik het eens. Heb ik hierboven ook al aangegeven.

          Maar met onderstaande opmerking ben ik het niet eens:

          een optie te maken zodat je door te klikken op de rijbaaninstructie deze kunt laten verdwijnen.

          Er zijn landen waar een motorrijder te allen tijde twee handen aan het stuur moet hebben. En er zijn ook landen waar je geen instrumenten mag bedienen tijdens het rijden.

          In English:

          @Dikke-Wim said in Lane instruction on highways: much too big and comes too early!:

          In landscape mode you see the same thing (approximately), but the surface on which you see it is much smaller. And, therefore, also the resolution with which it is shown.
          So in my experience it is not comparable.

          I agree with that. I have already indicated above.

          But I disagree with the comment below:

          create an option so that you can make it disappear by clicking on the lane instruction.

          There are countries where a motorcyclist must have two hands on the handlebars at all times. And there are also countries where you are not allowed to operate instruments while driving.

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          • undefined Dikke Wim
            7 Sept 2023, 15:12

            De nieuwe versie van MRA uitgeprobeerd (4.0.4 (216). De rijbaaninstructie is een hele mooie toevoeging. Echter,

              1. de instructie beslaat ±50% van het scherm van mijn smartphone (iPhone). Zie onder fig. 1.
                Suggestie: Maak de instructie 20-30% kleiner
              1. de instructie komt al heel erg vroeg, een keer zo vroeg dat er nog een andere afslag tussen zat. Dat brengt veel verwarring. Geen plaatje van, wel dat de instructie al ruim voor 800m tot wel 1.3km in beeld komt. Zie fig. 2.
                Suggestie: geef de instructie pas vanaf 350-400 meter om minder eerdere afslagen te vermijden.
              1. de instructie is soms zeer verwarrend omdat de NIET TE NEMEN afslag met een bord aangegeven wordt en de te nemen route geen bord heeft. ZIe fig. 3.
                Suggestie: probeer altijd de te nemen afslag/route (rechtdoor) te ondersteunen met een bord.
              1. de navigatie in mijn auto laat het bord van de NIET TE NEMEN afslag kleiner zien en wat meer gedimd. Erg handig (zie ook punt 3). Zie fig. 4.
                Suggestie: maak het bord van de NIET TE NEMEN afslag of richting kleiner en ietswat gedimd.

            Hopelijk heeft het ontwikkelteam iets aan mijn suggesties. Keep up the good work!

            Figuur 1: de instrucitie beslaat ±50% van het scherm
            Scherm­afbeelding 2023-09-07 om 17.01.58.png

            Figuur 2. De instructie is hier al 1.3km voor de afslag op het scherm. Andere tussenliggende afslagen zijn soms aanwezig en veroorzaken verwarring.
            Scherm­afbeelding 2023-09-07 om 17.02.44.png

            Fig 3. verwarrend dat je hier NIET de afslag met het bord moet nemen!
            Scherm­afbeelding 2023-09-07 om 17.03.53.png

            Fig 4. Suggestie om een layout te maken (indien mogelijk) zoals hier: het bord dat niet relevant is, is kleiner en deels gedimd. (Kia Niro)
            Scherm­afbeelding 2023-09-07 om 19.35.04.png

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            Lynchy67
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            wrote on 16 Sept 2023, 18:29 last edited by Lynchy67
            #22

            @Dikke-Wim

            Had 2 fantastic days out (so far) on my new Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Pro.
            No issues with the app at all. It has worked as expected both days.
            I am now a fan of the Dark Mode.
            Today I did try Landscape mode for an hour.
            I have to say that for me, I just don’t like it, the layout just seems “squashed”!
            Horses for courses, I’ll stick with Portrait mode.

            (Tot nu toe) 2 fantastische dagen gehad op mijn nieuwe Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Pro.
            Totaal geen problemen met de app. Het heeft beide dagen gewerkt zoals verwacht.
            Ik ben nu een fan van de donkere modus.
            Vandaag heb ik de Landscape-modus een uurtje geprobeerd.
            Ik moet zeggen dat ik het gewoon niet leuk vind, de lay-out lijkt gewoon "platgedrukt"!
            Paarden voor cursussen, ik blijf bij de portretmodus.

            Snapshot 16-09-2023 19:30.jpeg

            You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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              Con Hennekens
              Alpha tester
              wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 08:30 last edited by
              #23

              It's so funny...
              Until the zumo XT literally ALL dedicated navigation units have been in landscape format. Yet when people switch to a phone some seem to think portrait is a better orientation. Even the portrait function of the XT has been market demanded from people who tried navigating on their phones first.

              The obviously wrong orientation of smartphone design also disturbed the photography industry, now people think shooting pictures in portrait is default. It's not, proved by the many pictures with too much street, too much sky and too little of what you wanted to take a picture of.

              Why? People have their eyes beside each other, not above each other...

              I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

              Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

              Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                Corjan Meijerink
                Developer
                wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 12:39 last edited by Corjan Meijerink
                #24

                Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible 🙂
                Old:
                IMG_6266 (1).png

                New:
                IMG_6268 (1).png

                Besides that:

                • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                Please let me know what you think!

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                • undefined Corjan Meijerink
                  18 Sept 2023, 12:39

                  Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                  I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible 🙂
                  Old:
                  IMG_6266 (1).png

                  New:
                  IMG_6268 (1).png

                  Besides that:

                  • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                  • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                  Please let me know what you think!

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                  Jörgen
                  Valued contributor
                  wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 13:06 last edited by
                  #25

                  @Corjan-Meijerink ... sounds good and fits in with my suggestion. 👍

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                  • undefined Corjan Meijerink
                    18 Sept 2023, 12:39

                    Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                    I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible 🙂
                    Old:
                    IMG_6266 (1).png

                    New:
                    IMG_6268 (1).png

                    Besides that:

                    • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                    • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                    Please let me know what you think!

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                    Rob Verhoeff
                    Alpha tester
                    wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 13:11 last edited by
                    #26

                    @Corjan-Meijerink I only use the phone in landscape. Not having any difficulties with the images. However, the suggestions are okay.

                    BMW K1600GT-P (2013) with BMW Navigator V | Nolan N100-5 with Sena 30K
                    iOS on iPhone 13 (mounted on Quadlock)
                    Apple CarPlay in VW T-Roc (wired)
                    Routelab on MacBook Air & iMac (Ventura & Monterey)

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                    • undefined Corjan Meijerink
                      18 Sept 2023, 12:39

                      Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                      I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible 🙂
                      Old:
                      IMG_6266 (1).png

                      New:
                      IMG_6268 (1).png

                      Besides that:

                      • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                      • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                      Please let me know what you think!

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                      Con Hennekens
                      Alpha tester
                      wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 13:51 last edited by
                      #27

                      @Corjan-Meijerink, seems perfectly fine!

                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                      • undefined Con Hennekens
                        18 Sept 2023, 08:30

                        It's so funny...
                        Until the zumo XT literally ALL dedicated navigation units have been in landscape format. Yet when people switch to a phone some seem to think portrait is a better orientation. Even the portrait function of the XT has been market demanded from people who tried navigating on their phones first.

                        The obviously wrong orientation of smartphone design also disturbed the photography industry, now people think shooting pictures in portrait is default. It's not, proved by the many pictures with too much street, too much sky and too little of what you wanted to take a picture of.

                        Why? People have their eyes beside each other, not above each other...

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                        Lynchy67
                        Valued contributor
                        wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 13:54 last edited by Lynchy67
                        #28

                        @Con-Hennekens
                        At least my beautiful new Tiger 1200 Rally Pro photo was taken in Landscape mode. 😊

                        You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                        • undefined Lynchy67
                          18 Sept 2023, 13:54

                          @Con-Hennekens
                          At least my beautiful new Tiger 1200 Rally Pro photo was taken in Landscape mode. 😊

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                          Con Hennekens
                          Alpha tester
                          wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 14:08 last edited by
                          #29

                          @Lynchy67, Great! That's how it's done! 😉

                          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                          • undefined Corjan Meijerink
                            18 Sept 2023, 12:39

                            Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                            I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible 🙂
                            Old:
                            IMG_6266 (1).png

                            New:
                            IMG_6268 (1).png

                            Besides that:

                            • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                            • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                            Please let me know what you think!

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                            Marinus van Deudekom
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                            wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 15:08 last edited by
                            #30

                            @Corjan-Meijerink that sound good
                            Will it also be displayed on the screen of Android auto because up till now it doesn't
                            Have you been able to change something in the not so detailed view because that didn't function good
                            Thnkx for your effort

                            Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                            Honda Silverwing GL 650
                            DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                            Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                            Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                              18 Sept 2023, 15:08

                              @Corjan-Meijerink that sound good
                              Will it also be displayed on the screen of Android auto because up till now it doesn't
                              Have you been able to change something in the not so detailed view because that didn't function good
                              Thnkx for your effort

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                              Developer
                              wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 15:08 last edited by
                              #31

                              @Marinus-van-Deudekom Android Auto will include lane guidance in the next update! It won't however yet include these new (detailed) images.

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                                18 Sept 2023, 15:08

                                @Marinus-van-Deudekom Android Auto will include lane guidance in the next update! It won't however yet include these new (detailed) images.

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                                wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 15:12 last edited by
                                #32

                                @Corjan-Meijerink step by step we are getting there, thnkx

                                Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                                Honda Silverwing GL 650
                                DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                                Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                                Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                                  wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 20:20 last edited by
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                                  Afgelopen week de app gebruikt in Frankrijk met de lane assist en warempel ik heb ook wat te mekkeren over de functie. Al rijdend op de autoweg geeft lane assist ook meldingen als je rechtdoor moet rijden op autowegen en daar vindt ik de melding overbodig.

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                                    18 Sept 2023, 20:20

                                    Afgelopen week de app gebruikt in Frankrijk met de lane assist en warempel ik heb ook wat te mekkeren over de functie. Al rijdend op de autoweg geeft lane assist ook meldingen als je rechtdoor moet rijden op autowegen en daar vindt ik de melding overbodig.

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                                    wrote on 18 Sept 2023, 20:25 last edited by Rob Verhoeff
                                    #34

                                    @Cleo said in Rijbaaninstructie op snelwegen: veel te groot en komt te vroeg!:

                                    Al rijdend op de autoweg geeft lane assist ook meldingen als je rechtdoor moet rijden op autowegen en daar vindt ik de melding overbodig.

                                    Even teruglezen naar boven. Daar wordt gemeld dat dit wordt opgelost!

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                                    iOS on iPhone 13 (mounted on Quadlock)
                                    Apple CarPlay in VW T-Roc (wired)
                                    Routelab on MacBook Air & iMac (Ventura & Monterey)

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                                      wrote on 19 Sept 2023, 06:51 last edited by
                                      #35

                                      Gut, dass ich ein bisschen Niederländisch verstehen kann. 😁

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                                      Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
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                                        18 Sept 2023, 12:39

                                        Thanks for the feedback in this post.

                                        I've made the image smaller in portrait mode. Yes, this makes the text slightly smaller and thus more difficult to read. It this does however ensure that more of the map remains visible 🙂
                                        Old:
                                        IMG_6266 (1).png

                                        New:
                                        IMG_6268 (1).png

                                        Besides that:

                                        • attempt has been made to only show the signs that are relevant to your manoeuvre and not the "stay on the highway" images.
                                        • changed the internal configuration to only show the image when you are within a certain distance.

                                        Please let me know what you think!

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                                        wrote on 21 Sept 2023, 10:28 last edited by
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                                        @Corjan-Meijerink I like the new lane assist but I wonder if it is necessary to have the pop up for every junction. On an urban motorway, with lots of junctions, the lane assist screen is present for a high percentage of the time. During which time the information normally displayed at the top of the screen, ie distance to next turning, next waypoint/skip etc, is obscured. I found this quite disorientating. Perhaps lane assist only before the planned exit would be sufficient?

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                                          21 Sept 2023, 10:28

                                          @Corjan-Meijerink I like the new lane assist but I wonder if it is necessary to have the pop up for every junction. On an urban motorway, with lots of junctions, the lane assist screen is present for a high percentage of the time. During which time the information normally displayed at the top of the screen, ie distance to next turning, next waypoint/skip etc, is obscured. I found this quite disorientating. Perhaps lane assist only before the planned exit would be sufficient?

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                                          Alpha tester
                                          wrote on 21 Sept 2023, 10:41 last edited by
                                          #37

                                          @David-Bonner said in Rijbaaninstructie op snelwegen: veel te groot en komt te vroeg!:

                                          I like the new lane assist but I wonder if it is necessary to have the pop up for every junction.

                                          If you scrollback, you can read that this will be fixed.

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                                          iOS on iPhone 13 (mounted on Quadlock)
                                          Apple CarPlay in VW T-Roc (wired)
                                          Routelab on MacBook Air & iMac (Ventura & Monterey)

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