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  • Con Hennekensundefined Offline
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    Seeing the road with actual resemblance to the real situation is ultimately what makes navigation worthwhile in my view. A thing like beeline in my vie does not offer much more that a roadbook on those rolls you need to turn (except you don't need to turn...)

    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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      Personally on all my tours, I don't care about voice prompts or even instructions. I just want to see the map with a line πŸ™‚

      During my 2022 UK tour, I navigated all the way with the Mobile app "follow the line" navigation. In 2017, when MRA Navigation was still developed, I even did another UK tour completely with the old Mobile app πŸ˜‰

      Voice prompts are distracting from conversations with my significant other / pillion or the music I'm listening to. Instructions are rather pointless as there really only is one suitable road in the routes I tend to make. And well...driving a wrong road is only more adventure! πŸŽ‰

      That said: these functionalities do need to function perfectly in our app and when driving somewhere I don't know the way or around busy roads it is a vital function of the app.

      Just felt like sharing my own personaal opinion on this matter. Not speaking as the developer here πŸ˜‰

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      • RetiredWingManundefined RetiredWingMan

        Personally I prefer seeing the road ahead. On curvy roads I like seeing what the next curve looks like, it helps to adjust speed heading into the curve. I don't think MRAM can be all things to all people.

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        @Doug-Robinson said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

        Personally I prefer seeing the road ahead. On curvy roads I like seeing what the next curve looks like, it helps to adjust speed heading into the curve. I don't think MRAM can be all things to all people.

        @Con-Hennekens said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

        Seeing the road with actual resemblance to the real situation is ultimately what makes navigation worthwhile in my view. A thing like beeline in my vie does not offer much more that a roadbook on those rolls you need to turn (except you don't need to turn...)

        I can certainly understand these views. I think it's a tradeoff between what information is actually needed, how fast it can be accessed, and how to minimize tech distractions. I too often appreciate advanced warning about the road ahead. But I also consider the notion/question - How did we managed before we had all this tech? Plus, if one is riding appropriately for the roads and conditions, one shouldn't really need the additional eye candy provided by the tech.

        I too was initially really skeptical about the utility/viability of the GUI originally suggested in this thread and the simple Beeline GUI. However, my skepticism has diminished more and more as I continue to test the Beeline display in their app. I believe you got to keep in mind the main purpose of this tech - and that is navigation. Simply put - does it get me where I want to go and guide me via the route I want to use to get there? I think in the vast majority of scenarios, the simple Beeline display may fulfill that mission. Yes, there may be cases where complex navigation scenarios might trip the Beeline display up a bit. However, such scenarios may actually be more rare than I initially envisioned. Plus, if the Beeline recovers (rerouting etc.) well in the rare case when it happens, is it really that big of a deal?

        I can definitely see the Beeline being a solution for my Nightster. I don't care for large devices and mounts being installed on that bike. The Beeline would give me an acceptable navigation solution/GUI on the Nightster, whereas today, I don't really have one.

        Could the Beeline become my primary navigation solution (say touring on my Heritage)? IDK. I think it would require a fair amount of testing to answer that question. Right now, I'm much less skeptical about that possibility than when I first started looking at the device.

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          #37

          I like this idea honestly.

          I would expand to say that this could actually be a HUD for people wanting to use it in a car (something like Sygic and a few others do)

          But for my Adv and off-road riding, this would be killer.

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          • flamingm0eundefined flamingm0e

            I like this idea honestly.

            I would expand to say that this could actually be a HUD for people wanting to use it in a car (something like Sygic and a few others do)

            But for my Adv and off-road riding, this would be killer.

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            @Matt-Flaming bery nice and minimalistic design. As an option - because majority of drivers rely to see road infra to make correct action
            This is actualy cery close to what Triumph tiger has built in (yes I said Tiger again) and its very usefull

            P.S. where is the β€˜pull up - terrain’ warning πŸ™‚ πŸ™‚

            Very nice work in deed. Maybe it could trigger part of MRA team to allow own artwork for the skins?

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            • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

              Personally on all my tours, I don't care about voice prompts or even instructions. I just want to see the map with a line πŸ™‚

              During my 2022 UK tour, I navigated all the way with the Mobile app "follow the line" navigation. In 2017, when MRA Navigation was still developed, I even did another UK tour completely with the old Mobile app πŸ˜‰

              Voice prompts are distracting from conversations with my significant other / pillion or the music I'm listening to. Instructions are rather pointless as there really only is one suitable road in the routes I tend to make. And well...driving a wrong road is only more adventure! πŸŽ‰

              That said: these functionalities do need to function perfectly in our app and when driving somewhere I don't know the way or around busy roads it is a vital function of the app.

              Just felt like sharing my own personaal opinion on this matter. Not speaking as the developer here πŸ˜‰

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              #39

              @Corjan-Meijerink said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

              Personally on all my tours, I don't care about voice prompts or even instructions. I just want to see the map with a line πŸ™‚

              Voice prompts are distracting from conversations with my significant other / pillion or the music I'm listening to. Instructions are rather pointless as there really only is one suitable road in the routes I tend to make. And well...driving a wrong road is only more adventure! πŸŽ‰

              I agree 100% although the camera warnings are useful

              Always willing to help if I can.
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              • flamingm0eundefined flamingm0e

                I like this idea honestly.

                I would expand to say that this could actually be a HUD for people wanting to use it in a car (something like Sygic and a few others do)

                But for my Adv and off-road riding, this would be killer.

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                @Matt-Flaming said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                I like this idea honestly.

                I would expand to say that this could actually be a HUD for people wanting to use it in a car (something like Sygic and a few others do)

                But for my Adv and off-road riding, this would be killer.

                I'm not too familiar with Sygic's HUD solution. However, if it's just sitting a smartphone on a dash facing up... Beeline's app will produce their simplified arrow display. I wonder if that would work. For S&Gs, I might play with that on the drive home tonight.

                I'm not sure what you meant for the ADV/offroad application. Are you talking about using a phone to produce a HUD on the ADV windscreen? Or using something like Beeline Moto (or it's app on a phone) on an ADV? I might be skeptical about using a phone offroad on a ADV. But a Beeline Moto would likely work well. Especially because of all the versatile mounting options and it's diminutive size. You could easily mount it so it's practically in your line of sight. You would likely be able to see it clearly in your peripheral vision without moving your head or eyes.

                HUDs for helmet visors might also be cool.

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                • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                  Personally on all my tours, I don't care about voice prompts or even instructions. I just want to see the map with a line πŸ™‚

                  During my 2022 UK tour, I navigated all the way with the Mobile app "follow the line" navigation. In 2017, when MRA Navigation was still developed, I even did another UK tour completely with the old Mobile app πŸ˜‰

                  Voice prompts are distracting from conversations with my significant other / pillion or the music I'm listening to. Instructions are rather pointless as there really only is one suitable road in the routes I tend to make. And well...driving a wrong road is only more adventure! πŸŽ‰

                  That said: these functionalities do need to function perfectly in our app and when driving somewhere I don't know the way or around busy roads it is a vital function of the app.

                  Just felt like sharing my own personaal opinion on this matter. Not speaking as the developer here πŸ˜‰

                  Jure Sirena 0undefined Offline
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                  Jure Sirena 0
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                  #41

                  @Corjan-Meijerink said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                  Personally on all my tours, I don't care about voice prompts or even instructions. I just want to see the map with a line πŸ™‚

                  During my 2022 UK tour, I navigated all the way with the Mobile app "follow the line" navigation. In 2017, when MRA Navigation was still developed, I even did another UK tour completely with the old Mobile app πŸ˜‰

                  Voice prompts are distracting from conversations with my significant other / pillion or the music I'm listening to. Instructions are rather pointless as there really only is one suitable road in the routes I tend to make. And well...driving a wrong road is only more adventure! πŸŽ‰

                  That said: these functionalities do need to function perfectly in our app and when driving somewhere I don't know the way or around busy roads it is a vital function of the app.

                  Just felt like sharing my own personaal opinion on this matter. Not speaking as the developer here πŸ˜‰

                  Same fore me visual only + prompt for radars only. Many devices and apps have this setting now seperated - guidance volume and alert volume

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                  • Tim  Thompsonundefined Tim Thompson

                    @Doug-Robinson said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                    Personally I prefer seeing the road ahead. On curvy roads I like seeing what the next curve looks like, it helps to adjust speed heading into the curve. I don't think MRAM can be all things to all people.

                    @Con-Hennekens said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                    Seeing the road with actual resemblance to the real situation is ultimately what makes navigation worthwhile in my view. A thing like beeline in my vie does not offer much more that a roadbook on those rolls you need to turn (except you don't need to turn...)

                    I can certainly understand these views. I think it's a tradeoff between what information is actually needed, how fast it can be accessed, and how to minimize tech distractions. I too often appreciate advanced warning about the road ahead. But I also consider the notion/question - How did we managed before we had all this tech? Plus, if one is riding appropriately for the roads and conditions, one shouldn't really need the additional eye candy provided by the tech.

                    I too was initially really skeptical about the utility/viability of the GUI originally suggested in this thread and the simple Beeline GUI. However, my skepticism has diminished more and more as I continue to test the Beeline display in their app. I believe you got to keep in mind the main purpose of this tech - and that is navigation. Simply put - does it get me where I want to go and guide me via the route I want to use to get there? I think in the vast majority of scenarios, the simple Beeline display may fulfill that mission. Yes, there may be cases where complex navigation scenarios might trip the Beeline display up a bit. However, such scenarios may actually be more rare than I initially envisioned. Plus, if the Beeline recovers (rerouting etc.) well in the rare case when it happens, is it really that big of a deal?

                    I can definitely see the Beeline being a solution for my Nightster. I don't care for large devices and mounts being installed on that bike. The Beeline would give me an acceptable navigation solution/GUI on the Nightster, whereas today, I don't really have one.

                    Could the Beeline become my primary navigation solution (say touring on my Heritage)? IDK. I think it would require a fair amount of testing to answer that question. Right now, I'm much less skeptical about that possibility than when I first started looking at the device.

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                    @Tim-Thompson said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                    I'm much less skeptical about that possibility than when I first started looking at the device.

                    That's great. I can understand the wish to minimalize tech on a bike. However I am riding a lot in Belgium Ardennes and German Eifel area (since for me that is as mountainesque as it get's within an hour or 2 πŸ˜‰ ), and I see SO MANY Y junctions where it is unclear if a road is considered straight-on or keep left or right. NOT seeing a map with the actual situation would create SO MUCH uncertainty that I'd rather navigate A2B to destination instead of endlessly trying to follow a predetermined route.

                    How did we managed before we had all this tech?

                    That's simple: I didn't. I tried a roadbook once and ever since I consider that a form of harakiri. Before the satnav era we drove without a predetermined route, or routes that were signed with shields. Nowadays people get frantic over little route differences between the Here and the TomTom maps. That was unheard back then.

                    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                    • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                      Personally on all my tours, I don't care about voice prompts or even instructions. I just want to see the map with a line πŸ™‚

                      During my 2022 UK tour, I navigated all the way with the Mobile app "follow the line" navigation. In 2017, when MRA Navigation was still developed, I even did another UK tour completely with the old Mobile app πŸ˜‰

                      Voice prompts are distracting from conversations with my significant other / pillion or the music I'm listening to. Instructions are rather pointless as there really only is one suitable road in the routes I tend to make. And well...driving a wrong road is only more adventure! πŸŽ‰

                      That said: these functionalities do need to function perfectly in our app and when driving somewhere I don't know the way or around busy roads it is a vital function of the app.

                      Just felt like sharing my own personaal opinion on this matter. Not speaking as the developer here πŸ˜‰

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                      @Corjan-Meijerink said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                      Voice prompts are distracting from conversations with my significant other / pillion

                      I am lucky enough for my better half to have her own bike, and NO comm set... 🀣
                      (however the BarButton is yelling for a P2T option! Want to look for a decent app for that)

                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                      • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                        @Corjan-Meijerink said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                        Voice prompts are distracting from conversations with my significant other / pillion

                        I am lucky enough for my better half to have her own bike, and NO comm set... 🀣
                        (however the BarButton is yelling for a P2T option! Want to look for a decent app for that)

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                        @Con-Hennekens Does she have no comm set, or did you turn it off / not inform her about it? πŸ˜‰

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                        • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                          @Con-Hennekens Does she have no comm set, or did you turn it off / not inform her about it? πŸ˜‰

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                          @Corjan-Meijerink, no, we don't have comm sets. She does not even have a headset in her helmet. So we have no problems, like you do 🀣
                          But when I ride with my friend, he does have a headset too (no comm). So a Push-to-Talk app could fill in that incidental wish to say something. My thoughts are wandering off: it might be a nice feature to integrate with the group-ride feature that is being worked on...?

                          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                            @Corjan-Meijerink, no, we don't have comm sets. She does not even have a headset in her helmet. So we have no problems, like you do 🀣
                            But when I ride with my friend, he does have a headset too (no comm). So a Push-to-Talk app could fill in that incidental wish to say something. My thoughts are wandering off: it might be a nice feature to integrate with the group-ride feature that is being worked on...?

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                            @Con-Hennekens group ride is a feature we wish to implement but is very complex so it's not scheduled yet πŸ™‚

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                              @Con-Hennekens group ride is a feature we wish to implement but is very complex so it's not scheduled yet πŸ™‚

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                              @Corjan-Meijerink, I know, just a thought πŸ˜‰

                              I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                              Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                              Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                @Matt-Flaming said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                                I like this idea honestly.

                                I would expand to say that this could actually be a HUD for people wanting to use it in a car (something like Sygic and a few others do)

                                But for my Adv and off-road riding, this would be killer.

                                I'm not too familiar with Sygic's HUD solution. However, if it's just sitting a smartphone on a dash facing up... Beeline's app will produce their simplified arrow display. I wonder if that would work. For S&Gs, I might play with that on the drive home tonight.

                                I'm not sure what you meant for the ADV/offroad application. Are you talking about using a phone to produce a HUD on the ADV windscreen? Or using something like Beeline Moto (or it's app on a phone) on an ADV? I might be skeptical about using a phone offroad on a ADV. But a Beeline Moto would likely work well. Especially because of all the versatile mounting options and it's diminutive size. You could easily mount it so it's practically in your line of sight. You would likely be able to see it clearly in your peripheral vision without moving your head or eyes.

                                HUDs for helmet visors might also be cool.

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                                @Tim-Thompson said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                                'm not sure what you meant for the ADV/offroad application. Are you talking about using a phone to produce a HUD on the ADV windscreen?

                                Literally talking about the feature proposed. HUD would be applicable for only in the car.

                                @Tim-Thompson said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                                I might be skeptical about using a phone offroad on a ADV.

                                Been doing it that way for 7 years. Get a rugged Android device and toss it on the bike. I use the Carpe Iter tablet though these days.

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                                  @Alain-Spronck said in Innovative Motorcycle / Cycle UI:

                                  It's super efficient as a system.

                                  Pfff, it doesn't even allow for loopings, never mind Immelman turns.

                                  πŸ™‚

                                  but, repeating myself, introducing the HUD idea does not exclude having a map view aside, certainly not on larger screens.

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                                  @Drabslab
                                  @Jabp
                                  I also an advanced Tripy user and use the Tripy for trips and events with the oldtimer club. The roadbooks, the Tripy can make are great.
                                  The idea from @Jabp is just marvelous. Option for "no map" and the possibility to print a roadbook would be great. Hopfully they put it some where on the roadmap of Next Navigation app.
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