GPX Format - Übernahme als Route, Routen-track, Tracklog
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It seems to me that the main issue is that:
- the GPX does not actually contain a route (in the technical sense), but it does contain a list (in alphabetical order?) of waypoints
- when importing the file as a route, MRA tries to create a route from the list of waypoints anyway, which gives a nonsensical result
The GPX does contain a track, that can be imported as a route-track in MRA and then used as a route. This is existing functionality and can be used as a "work-around", but it loses/ignores the waypoints present in the file.
In my opinion, a more user-friendly way to handle importing such a file as a route, would be to either:
- warn the user that the file does not contain a route and prevent them from importing it as a route/point them to the "route-track" option
- create a route from the track directly and, optionally, import the waypoints as POIs
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@Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
I've looked at your file.
When I try to download it on mij phone (android) I run into some compatibility problems, in short trying to download the GPX file didn't work.
Tghen I tried downloading it on my laptop. That was indeed succesfull.
I then tried uploading it via the routelab and I choose for the option import route/track.
That gave the following result:
Then I started use route with the following result:
An actual route with routepoints in it and a start and end Viapoint
Zooming into the route that most of the routepoints where off the route so you would have to manualy correct all of themThen I went back to the routelab and oploaded the GPX file as a route with the following result:
A totall disaster witch can't ben used in MRA. This is probably due to the fact like Con already stated that the routepoints are not in a logical order.
Coinclusion:
If you want to use routes from that platform the only way is upload a route track via the routelab and correct the thing manualy.
Can be done but it takes some work.
have fun@Marinus-van-Deudekom said in GPX Format - Übernahme als Route, Routen-track, Tracklog:
@Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
I've looked at your file.
When I try to download it on mij phone (android) I run into some compatibility problems, in short trying to download the GPX file didn't work.
Tghen I tried downloading it on my laptop. That was indeed succesfull.
I then tried uploading it via the routelab and I choose for the option import route/track.
That gave the following result:
Then I started use route with the following result:
An actual route with routepoints in it and a start and end Viapoint
Zooming into the route that most of the routepoints where off the route so you would have to manualy correct all of themThen I went back to the routelab and oploaded the GPX file as a route with the following result:
A totall disaster witch can't ben used in MRA. This is probably due to the fact like Con already stated that the routepoints are not in a logical order.
Coinclusion:
If you want to use routes from that platform the only way is upload a route track via the routelab and correct the thing manualy.
Can be done but it takes some work.
have fun@Marinus-van-Deudekom
Thanks for the test with the same file, I came to the same result.I have often had the fact that the MRA cannot load this file and aborts it with an error message, but this should be solved.
The MRA should be more intelligent and recognize that the example file is a track and additionally contains points (POI). It would be nice if that could be optimized.
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Danke für den Test mit der gleichen Datei, ich bin zum gleichen Ergebnis gekommen.
Das die MRA diese Datei nicht laden kann und mit einer Fehlermeldung abbricht habe ich auch schon öfter gehabt, dieses sollte aber gelöst werden.
Die MRA sollte intelligenter sein und erkennen das die Beispiel Datei ein Track ist und zusätzlich Punkte (POI) enthält. Wäre schön wenn das optimiert werden könnte.
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It seems to me that the main issue is that:
- the GPX does not actually contain a route (in the technical sense), but it does contain a list (in alphabetical order?) of waypoints
- when importing the file as a route, MRA tries to create a route from the list of waypoints anyway, which gives a nonsensical result
The GPX does contain a track, that can be imported as a route-track in MRA and then used as a route. This is existing functionality and can be used as a "work-around", but it loses/ignores the waypoints present in the file.
In my opinion, a more user-friendly way to handle importing such a file as a route, would be to either:
- warn the user that the file does not contain a route and prevent them from importing it as a route/point them to the "route-track" option
- create a route from the track directly and, optionally, import the waypoints as POIs
@Herko-ter-Horst said in GPX Format - Übernahme als Route, Routen-track, Tracklog:
It seems to me that the main issue is that:
- the GPX does not actually contain a route (in the technical sense), but it does contain a list (in alphabetical order?) of waypoints
- when importing the file as a route, MRA tries to create a route from the list of waypoints anyway, which gives a nonsensical result
The GPX does contain a track, that can be imported as a route-track in MRA and then used as a route. This is existing functionality and can be used as a "work-around", but it loses/ignores the waypoints present in the file.
In my opinion, a more user-friendly way to handle importing such a file as a route, would be to either:
- warn the user that the file does not contain a route and prevent them from importing it as a route/point them to the "route-track" option
- create a route from the track directly and, optionally, import the waypoints as POIs
Hey, that would be my suggestion
Hey, genau das wäre auch mein Vorschlag
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@Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
I've looked at your file.
When I try to download it on mij phone (android) I run into some compatibility problems, in short trying to download the GPX file didn't work.
Tghen I tried downloading it on my laptop. That was indeed succesfull.
I then tried uploading it via the routelab and I choose for the option import route/track.
That gave the following result:
Then I started use route with the following result:
An actual route with routepoints in it and a start and end Viapoint
Zooming into the route that most of the routepoints where off the route so you would have to manualy correct all of themThen I went back to the routelab and oploaded the GPX file as a route with the following result:
A totall disaster witch can't ben used in MRA. This is probably due to the fact like Con already stated that the routepoints are not in a logical order.
Coinclusion:
If you want to use routes from that platform the only way is upload a route track via the routelab and correct the thing manualy.
Can be done but it takes some work.
have funWas that also the error message with you in the option to load the file into the MRA by clicking?
War das auch die Fehlermeldung bei dir in der Option die Datei per Klick in die MRA zu laden ?
The question is what exactly causes this error message... what doesn't work in the MRA
️Die Frage ist was genau verursacht diese Fehlermeldung… was geht da in der MRA gerade mal nicht
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Was that also the error message with you in the option to load the file into the MRA by clicking?
War das auch die Fehlermeldung bei dir in der Option die Datei per Klick in die MRA zu laden ?
The question is what exactly causes this error message... what doesn't work in the MRA
️Die Frage ist was genau verursacht diese Fehlermeldung… was geht da in der MRA gerade mal nicht
️The funny thing is that this file via WhatsApp as an attached file then does not lead to this error by clicking and the file is loaded in MRA as a route track.
Das komische ist das diese Datei über WhatsApp als ein angehängte Datei dann per Klick nicht zu diesem Fehler führt und die Datei in MRA als Route-Track geladen wird.
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Was that also the error message with you in the option to load the file into the MRA by clicking?
War das auch die Fehlermeldung bei dir in der Option die Datei per Klick in die MRA zu laden ?
The question is what exactly causes this error message... what doesn't work in the MRA
️Die Frage ist was genau verursacht diese Fehlermeldung… was geht da in der MRA gerade mal nicht
️@Hubert-Thoring no error message at all. In the phone or just kept hanging
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It seems to me that the main issue is that:
- the GPX does not actually contain a route (in the technical sense), but it does contain a list (in alphabetical order?) of waypoints
- when importing the file as a route, MRA tries to create a route from the list of waypoints anyway, which gives a nonsensical result
The GPX does contain a track, that can be imported as a route-track in MRA and then used as a route. This is existing functionality and can be used as a "work-around", but it loses/ignores the waypoints present in the file.
In my opinion, a more user-friendly way to handle importing such a file as a route, would be to either:
- warn the user that the file does not contain a route and prevent them from importing it as a route/point them to the "route-track" option
- create a route from the track directly and, optionally, import the waypoints as POIs
@Herko-ter-Horst said in GPX Format - Übernahme als Route, Routen-track, Tracklog:
In my opinion, a more user-friendly way to handle importing such a file as a route, would be to either:
warn the user that the file does not contain a route and prevent them from importing it as a route/point them to the "route-track" option
If there is no route (no waypoints) in a gpx file, MRA will not import it. The fact that there are actually waypoints in the file means that it is generated from a route. I have seen this very often. The waypoints are fine, just in the wrong order. Together with the track underneath it is usually not hard to reorder the waypoints manually in the left collumn. This way you do not lose any waypoint info.
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@Herko-ter-Horst said in GPX Format - Übernahme als Route, Routen-track, Tracklog:
In my opinion, a more user-friendly way to handle importing such a file as a route, would be to either:
warn the user that the file does not contain a route and prevent them from importing it as a route/point them to the "route-track" option
If there is no route (no waypoints) in a gpx file, MRA will not import it. The fact that there are actually waypoints in the file means that it is generated from a route. I have seen this very often. The waypoints are fine, just in the wrong order. Together with the track underneath it is usually not hard to reorder the waypoints manually in the left collumn. This way you do not lose any waypoint info.
Das zu tun ist mir alle klar und gut bekannt aber einiges führt zur Verwirrung wenn man es nicht weiß und genau darum geht es.
To do this is all clear and well known to me but some things lead to confusion if you don't know it and that's exactly what it's about.
@Jörgen @Herko-ter-Horst @Marinus-van-Deudekom
Eine Datei „Route“ mit 95 WP inkl. eines Via Start und Via Ziel und zusätzlich weitere 10 Via WP auf der Route, die man per WhatsApp erhält wird falsch durch MRA übertragen.
Wenn Du diese Datei dir per WhatsApp schickst und dann an MRA direkt teilst ohne diese zu speichern erhältst Du nur einen Routen Track in dem die 10 WP fehlen.
️Wenn Du die gleiche Datei zuvor auf dem Handy speicherst und in einem Explorer an MRA teilst / zuweist direkt am die MRA auch dann fehlen die 10 internen WP auf der Route da Du einen Routen Track erhältst.. obwohl es eine Route ist.
A file "Route" with 95 WP including a Via Start and Via Destination and additionally another 10 Via WP on the route, which you receive via WhatsApp, is transmitted incorrectly by MRA.
If you send this file to yourself via WhatsApp and then share it directly to MRA without saving it, you will only receive a route track in which the 10 WP are missing. !?️
If you save the same file on the Handy beforehand and share / assign it to MRA in an explorer directly at the MRA, even then the 10 internal WP on the route are missing because you get a route track .. although it is a route.
Test that the
Testet das mal der Link zur Route
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Das zu tun ist mir alle klar und gut bekannt aber einiges führt zur Verwirrung wenn man es nicht weiß und genau darum geht es.
To do this is all clear and well known to me but some things lead to confusion if you don't know it and that's exactly what it's about.
@Jörgen @Herko-ter-Horst @Marinus-van-Deudekom
Eine Datei „Route“ mit 95 WP inkl. eines Via Start und Via Ziel und zusätzlich weitere 10 Via WP auf der Route, die man per WhatsApp erhält wird falsch durch MRA übertragen.
Wenn Du diese Datei dir per WhatsApp schickst und dann an MRA direkt teilst ohne diese zu speichern erhältst Du nur einen Routen Track in dem die 10 WP fehlen.
️Wenn Du die gleiche Datei zuvor auf dem Handy speicherst und in einem Explorer an MRA teilst / zuweist direkt am die MRA auch dann fehlen die 10 internen WP auf der Route da Du einen Routen Track erhältst.. obwohl es eine Route ist.
A file "Route" with 95 WP including a Via Start and Via Destination and additionally another 10 Via WP on the route, which you receive via WhatsApp, is transmitted incorrectly by MRA.
If you send this file to yourself via WhatsApp and then share it directly to MRA without saving it, you will only receive a route track in which the 10 WP are missing. !?️
If you save the same file on the Handy beforehand and share / assign it to MRA in an explorer directly at the MRA, even then the 10 internal WP on the route are missing because you get a route track .. although it is a route.
Test that the
Testet das mal der Link zur Route
@Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
I've tested the file, send it to myself using whatsapp. Opened the link in whatsapp witch resulted in MRA opening correctly and the route exactly as the original all routepoints and the viapoint were in the route.When I opened your test route I noticed that the profile used was the bike profile. I don't know if you use that a lot because the Here maps used by MRA next can't handle that profile. meaning the Here maps don't support the bike profile.
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@Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
I've tested the file, send it to myself using whatsapp. Opened the link in whatsapp witch resulted in MRA opening correctly and the route exactly as the original all routepoints and the viapoint were in the route.When I opened your test route I noticed that the profile used was the bike profile. I don't know if you use that a lot because the Here maps used by MRA next can't handle that profile. meaning the Here maps don't support the bike profile.
My advise would be not to use it anymore because it has no actuall use and sometimes creates trroubleThank you first!!
Which cell phone do you have?
- with an iPhone / iPad under iOS then the Via WP 9,18,27,36,45,64,63,72,81,90 are missing
Are the WP 9,18,27 ... everything Via WP stayed with you ...
VG
Danke erst einmal!!
Welches Handy hast Du denn ?
- mit einem iPhone / iPad unter iOS fehlen dann die Via WP 9,18,27,36,45,64,63,72,81,90
Sind die WP 9,18,27 … alles Via WP bei dir geblieben …
VG
I always use the travel mode "the motorcycle" and never had any problems !!️
Ich nutze immer den Reisemodus „das Motorrad“ und hatte nie Probleme
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I opened your route and then clicked +Use route. I then shared the route to myself using WhatsApp, the route opened from WhatsApp with all via points.
I’m using an iPhone 11
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I opened your route and then clicked +Use route. I then shared the route to myself using WhatsApp, the route opened from WhatsApp with all via points.
I’m using an iPhone 11Thank you first of all
Question about the exact procedure !!️
You have loaded the route to +Route in your area, then saved it via export on your mobile phone and then only sent it to yourself via WhatsApp via file.
Then via WhatsApp on file then by click and then shared to MRA !?️
Was that like that or different
Danke erst einmal
Frage zum genauen Ablauf
️Hast Du die Route nach +Route in deinem Bereich geladen, danach über Export auf deinem Handy gespeichert und dann erst per WhatsApp über Datei dir selbst geschickt.
Dann über WhatsApp auf Datei dann per Klick und dann an MRA geteilt
️War das so oder anders
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@Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
I've tested the file, send it to myself using whatsapp. Opened the link in whatsapp witch resulted in MRA opening correctly and the route exactly as the original all routepoints and the viapoint were in the route.When I opened your test route I noticed that the profile used was the bike profile. I don't know if you use that a lot because the Here maps used by MRA next can't handle that profile. meaning the Here maps don't support the bike profile.
My advise would be not to use it anymore because it has no actuall use and sometimes creates trrouble@Marinus-van-Deudekom Sorry, that's just not true.
The motorcycle profile works just fine and won't cause issues ever.
It only doesn't support the shortest routing option
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I opened your route and then clicked +Use route. I then shared the route to myself using WhatsApp, the route opened from WhatsApp with all via points.
I’m using an iPhone 11Could it also be that you have the wrong open one because "red" is not transmitted in GPX 1.1 ...
Könnte es auch sein das Du die falsche geöffnete hast denn „Rot“ wird nicht im GPX 1.1 übertragen …
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Thank you first of all
Question about the exact procedure !!️
You have loaded the route to +Route in your area, then saved it via export on your mobile phone and then only sent it to yourself via WhatsApp via file.
Then via WhatsApp on file then by click and then shared to MRA !?️
Was that like that or different
Danke erst einmal
Frage zum genauen Ablauf
️Hast Du die Route nach +Route in deinem Bereich geladen, danach über Export auf deinem Handy gespeichert und dann erst per WhatsApp über Datei dir selbst geschickt.
Dann über WhatsApp auf Datei dann per Klick und dann an MRA geteilt
️War das so oder anders
@Hubert-Thoring I saved your route to my MRA library by using the +Use route button. I then opened the route in the MRA mobile app and used the download button and chose.gpx 1.1 and then I clicked the Export button and chose WhatsApp.
I opened WhatsApp, clicked the link and it opened as it should.But I don’t know why you are using this method.
Just open the route then click the 3 dots top right and choose share. There is no need to use the download button and export.Always willing to help if I can.
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Thank you first!!
Which cell phone do you have?
- with an iPhone / iPad under iOS then the Via WP 9,18,27,36,45,64,63,72,81,90 are missing
Are the WP 9,18,27 ... everything Via WP stayed with you ...
VG
Danke erst einmal!!
Welches Handy hast Du denn ?
- mit einem iPhone / iPad unter iOS fehlen dann die Via WP 9,18,27,36,45,64,63,72,81,90
Sind die WP 9,18,27 … alles Via WP bei dir geblieben …
VG
I always use the travel mode "the motorcycle" and never had any problems !!️
Ich nutze immer den Reisemodus „das Motorrad“ und hatte nie Probleme
️@Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
Like stated in my signature I use an Samsung S20FE.
I'm allergic to Aple so I can"t help you there
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@Marinus-van-Deudekom Sorry, that's just not true.
The motorcycle profile works just fine and won't cause issues ever.
It only doesn't support the shortest routing option@Corjan-Meijerink And it doesn't support roadsigns stating a no go for motorcycles. Up till now I haven't seen any advantage of the bike profile. But surprise me always willing to learn
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@Corjan-Meijerink And it doesn't support roadsigns stating a no go for motorcycles. Up till now I haven't seen any advantage of the bike profile. But surprise me always willing to learn
@Marinus-van-Deudekom, "having no advantage" is not equal to "Here can't handle that profile". That profile is introduced by Here themselves, hence it is available in the app. "Having no advantage" is only true, as far as you know it. I agree that the advantage seems to be very limited, but for me even just the helmet icon is an advantage in itself, indicating for which purpose a route was designed.
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Except for not having shortest route option, there aren't disadvantages.
Advantages are better ETA calculation and maneuvers that make sense for bikes.Motorcycle mode:
Car mode:
In general motorcycle mode will allow more sharp turns as your turn radius is significantly less than for cars. Besides that roads disallowed only for cars can also be allowed but that information is quite often not as accurate and treated just as for cars
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@Hubert-Thoring I saved your route to my MRA library by using the +Use route button. I then opened the route in the MRA mobile app and used the download button and chose.gpx 1.1 and then I clicked the Export button and chose WhatsApp.
I opened WhatsApp, clicked the link and it opened as it should.But I don’t know why you are using this method.
Just open the route then click the 3 dots top right and choose share. There is no need to use the download button and export.@Nick-Carthew, @Marinus-van-Deudekom @Con-Hennekens
Hello everyone,
Thanks again for your cooperation, for clarification, I think we are still talking/writing at cross-purposes.The respective test was not carried out exactly 1:1 either, because friends in the test at least with the iPhone iOS / iPad iOS encountered these two errors in exactly the same way.
Test:
- 1.) WhatsApp, share the file received here with a click to MRA
- 2.) Share the file from the phone storage with a click to MRA
I would like to show the malfunction of these two already shown ways of transferring files with a route that has several Via WPs. Because during the transfer, a route track is always created in which the 10 Via WPs mentioned are missing even though it is one route and that is the error in each case.
I am aware of the many other internal MRA options, but the beta is about possible errors or malfunctions, so I ask that you test exactly what I will write down step by step in the next post.
Thank you very much for that.
Hallo an alle,
Danke noch einmal für die Zusammenarbeit, zur Erklärung, ich glaube wir reden / schreiben teilweise noch aneinander vorbei.Auch der jeweilige Test wurde nicht ganz so 1:1 durchgeführt, weil bei Freunden im Test zumindest mit dem iPhone iOS / iPad iOS diese zwei Fehler genau so aufgetreten sind.
Test:
- 1.) WhatsApp, hier erhaltene Datei per Klick teilen an MRA
- 2.) Datei vom Handy Speicher per Klick teilen an MRA
Ich möchte grundsätzlich die Fehlfunktion dieser zwei schon aufgezeigten Wege zur Dateiübertragung mit einer Route aufzeigen die mehreren Via WP hat. Denn daraus wird bei der Übertragung jeweils dann immer ein Routen-Track in der die besagten 10 Via WP fehlen obwohl es eine Route ist und das ist jeweils der Fehler.
Die vielen MRA internen anderen Möglichkeiten sind mir bekannt aber im Beta geht es um mögliche Fehler- oder Fehlfunktionen, also bitte ich darum genau das zu testen was ich im nächsten Beitrag noch einmal Schritt für Schritt aufschreibe.
Vielen Dank schon einmal dafür.
VG Hubert
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