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GPX Format - Übernahme als Route, Routen-track, Tracklog

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  • undefined Hubert Thoring
    27 Nov 2024, 12:29

    @Marinus-van-Deudekom

    Was that also the error message with you in the option to load the file into the MRA by clicking?

    War das auch die Fehlermeldung bei dir in der Option die Datei per Klick in die MRA zu laden ?

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    The question is what exactly causes this error message... what doesn't work in the MRA ⁉️

    Die Frage ist was genau verursacht diese Fehlermeldung… was geht da in der MRA gerade mal nicht ⁉️

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    Marinus van Deudekom
    RouteXperts
    wrote on 27 Nov 2024, 15:00 last edited by
    #14

    @Hubert-Thoring no error message at all. In the phone or just kept hanging

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    Honda Silverwing GL 650
    DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
    Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
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    • undefined Herko ter Horst
      27 Nov 2024, 11:14

      It seems to me that the main issue is that:

      • the GPX does not actually contain a route (in the technical sense), but it does contain a list (in alphabetical order?) of waypoints
      • when importing the file as a route, MRA tries to create a route from the list of waypoints anyway, which gives a nonsensical result

      The GPX does contain a track, that can be imported as a route-track in MRA and then used as a route. This is existing functionality and can be used as a "work-around", but it loses/ignores the waypoints present in the file.

      In my opinion, a more user-friendly way to handle importing such a file as a route, would be to either:

      • warn the user that the file does not contain a route and prevent them from importing it as a route/point them to the "route-track" option
      • create a route from the track directly and, optionally, import the waypoints as POIs
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      Con Hennekens
      wrote on 28 Nov 2024, 15:47 last edited by
      #15

      @Herko-ter-Horst said in GPX Format - Übernahme als Route, Routen-track, Tracklog:

      In my opinion, a more user-friendly way to handle importing such a file as a route, would be to either:

      warn the user that the file does not contain a route and prevent them from importing it as a route/point them to the "route-track" option

      If there is no route (no waypoints) in a gpx file, MRA will not import it. The fact that there are actually waypoints in the file means that it is generated from a route. I have seen this very often. The waypoints are fine, just in the wrong order. Together with the track underneath it is usually not hard to reorder the waypoints manually in the left collumn. This way you do not lose any waypoint info.

      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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      • undefined Con Hennekens
        28 Nov 2024, 15:47

        @Herko-ter-Horst said in GPX Format - Übernahme als Route, Routen-track, Tracklog:

        In my opinion, a more user-friendly way to handle importing such a file as a route, would be to either:

        warn the user that the file does not contain a route and prevent them from importing it as a route/point them to the "route-track" option

        If there is no route (no waypoints) in a gpx file, MRA will not import it. The fact that there are actually waypoints in the file means that it is generated from a route. I have seen this very often. The waypoints are fine, just in the wrong order. Together with the track underneath it is usually not hard to reorder the waypoints manually in the left collumn. This way you do not lose any waypoint info.

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        Hubert Thoring
        wrote on 28 Nov 2024, 18:45 last edited by Hubert Thoring
        #16

        @Con-Hennekens :

        Das zu tun ist mir alle klar und gut bekannt aber einiges führt zur Verwirrung wenn man es nicht weiß und genau darum geht es.

        To do this is all clear and well known to me but some things lead to confusion if you don't know it and that's exactly what it's about.

        @Jörgen @Herko-ter-Horst @Marinus-van-Deudekom

        Eine Datei „Route“ mit 95 WP inkl. eines Via Start und Via Ziel und zusätzlich weitere 10 Via WP auf der Route, die man per WhatsApp erhält wird falsch durch MRA übertragen.

        Wenn Du diese Datei dir per WhatsApp schickst und dann an MRA direkt teilst ohne diese zu speichern erhältst Du nur einen Routen Track in dem die 10 WP fehlen. ⁉️

        Wenn Du die gleiche Datei zuvor auf dem Handy speicherst und in einem Explorer an MRA teilst / zuweist direkt am die MRA auch dann fehlen die 10 internen WP auf der Route da Du einen Routen Track erhältst.. obwohl es eine Route ist.

        A file "Route" with 95 WP including a Via Start and Via Destination and additionally another 10 Via WP on the route, which you receive via WhatsApp, is transmitted incorrectly by MRA.

        If you send this file to yourself via WhatsApp and then share it directly to MRA without saving it, you will only receive a route track in which the 10 WP are missing. !?️

        If you save the same file on the Handy beforehand and share / assign it to MRA in an explorer directly at the MRA, even then the 10 internal WP on the route are missing because you get a route track .. although it is a route.

        Test that the

        Testet das mal der Link zur Route

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        VG Hubert
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        • undefined Hubert Thoring
          28 Nov 2024, 18:45

          @Con-Hennekens :

          Das zu tun ist mir alle klar und gut bekannt aber einiges führt zur Verwirrung wenn man es nicht weiß und genau darum geht es.

          To do this is all clear and well known to me but some things lead to confusion if you don't know it and that's exactly what it's about.

          @Jörgen @Herko-ter-Horst @Marinus-van-Deudekom

          Eine Datei „Route“ mit 95 WP inkl. eines Via Start und Via Ziel und zusätzlich weitere 10 Via WP auf der Route, die man per WhatsApp erhält wird falsch durch MRA übertragen.

          Wenn Du diese Datei dir per WhatsApp schickst und dann an MRA direkt teilst ohne diese zu speichern erhältst Du nur einen Routen Track in dem die 10 WP fehlen. ⁉️

          Wenn Du die gleiche Datei zuvor auf dem Handy speicherst und in einem Explorer an MRA teilst / zuweist direkt am die MRA auch dann fehlen die 10 internen WP auf der Route da Du einen Routen Track erhältst.. obwohl es eine Route ist.

          A file "Route" with 95 WP including a Via Start and Via Destination and additionally another 10 Via WP on the route, which you receive via WhatsApp, is transmitted incorrectly by MRA.

          If you send this file to yourself via WhatsApp and then share it directly to MRA without saving it, you will only receive a route track in which the 10 WP are missing. !?️

          If you save the same file on the Handy beforehand and share / assign it to MRA in an explorer directly at the MRA, even then the 10 internal WP on the route are missing because you get a route track .. although it is a route.

          Test that the

          Testet das mal der Link zur Route

          IMG_9407.png

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          RouteXperts
          wrote on 28 Nov 2024, 22:39 last edited by
          #17

          @Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
          I've tested the file, send it to myself using whatsapp. Opened the link in whatsapp witch resulted in MRA opening correctly and the route exactly as the original all routepoints and the viapoint were in the route.

          When I opened your test route I noticed that the profile used was the bike profile. I don't know if you use that a lot because the Here maps used by MRA next can't handle that profile. meaning the Here maps don't support the bike profile.
          My advise would be not to use it anymore because it has no actuall use and sometimes creates trrouble

          Honda Goldwing GL1500,
          Honda Silverwing GL 650
          DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
          Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
          Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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          • undefined Marinus van Deudekom
            28 Nov 2024, 22:39

            @Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
            I've tested the file, send it to myself using whatsapp. Opened the link in whatsapp witch resulted in MRA opening correctly and the route exactly as the original all routepoints and the viapoint were in the route.

            When I opened your test route I noticed that the profile used was the bike profile. I don't know if you use that a lot because the Here maps used by MRA next can't handle that profile. meaning the Here maps don't support the bike profile.
            My advise would be not to use it anymore because it has no actuall use and sometimes creates trrouble

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            wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 08:36 last edited by Hubert Thoring
            #18

            @Marinus-van-Deudekom

            Thank you first!!

            Which cell phone do you have?

            • with an iPhone / iPad under iOS then the Via WP 9,18,27,36,45,64,63,72,81,90 are missing

            Are the WP 9,18,27 ... everything Via WP stayed with you ...

            VG 👋

            Danke erst einmal!!

            Welches Handy hast Du denn ?

            • mit einem iPhone / iPad unter iOS fehlen dann die Via WP 9,18,27,36,45,64,63,72,81,90

            Sind die WP 9,18,27 … alles Via WP bei dir geblieben …

            VG 👋

            I always use the travel mode "the motorcycle" and never had any problems !!️

            Ich nutze immer den Reisemodus „das Motorrad“ und hatte nie Probleme ‼️

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            VG Hubert
            Info zum Beta Test "Next App" dazu die Hardware ...
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              RouteXperts Instructor
              wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 08:50 last edited by
              #19

              I opened your route and then clicked +Use route. I then shared the route to myself using WhatsApp, the route opened from WhatsApp with all via points.
              I’m using an iPhone 11

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              Always willing to help if I can.
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              • undefined Nick Carthew
                29 Nov 2024, 08:50

                I opened your route and then clicked +Use route. I then shared the route to myself using WhatsApp, the route opened from WhatsApp with all via points.
                I’m using an iPhone 11

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                Hubert Thoring
                wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 09:01 last edited by
                #20

                @Nick-Carthew

                Thank you first of all 👋

                Question about the exact procedure !!️

                You have loaded the route to +Route in your area, then saved it via export on your mobile phone and then only sent it to yourself via WhatsApp via file.

                Then via WhatsApp on file then by click and then shared to MRA !?️

                Was that like that or different

                Danke erst einmal 👋

                Frage zum genauen Ablauf ‼️

                Hast Du die Route nach +Route in deinem Bereich geladen, danach über Export auf deinem Handy gespeichert und dann erst per WhatsApp über Datei dir selbst geschickt.

                Dann über WhatsApp auf Datei dann per Klick und dann an MRA geteilt ⁉️

                War das so oder anders

                VG Hubert
                Info zum Beta Test "Next App" dazu die Hardware ...
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                ❗️MyRoute-App im Cradel und Remotek-One❗️

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                • undefined Marinus van Deudekom
                  28 Nov 2024, 22:39

                  @Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
                  I've tested the file, send it to myself using whatsapp. Opened the link in whatsapp witch resulted in MRA opening correctly and the route exactly as the original all routepoints and the viapoint were in the route.

                  When I opened your test route I noticed that the profile used was the bike profile. I don't know if you use that a lot because the Here maps used by MRA next can't handle that profile. meaning the Here maps don't support the bike profile.
                  My advise would be not to use it anymore because it has no actuall use and sometimes creates trrouble

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                  Corjan Meijerink
                  administrator
                  wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 09:22 last edited by
                  #21

                  @Marinus-van-Deudekom Sorry, that's just not true.
                  The motorcycle profile works just fine and won't cause issues ever.
                  It only doesn't support the shortest routing option 🤷

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                  • undefined Nick Carthew
                    29 Nov 2024, 08:50

                    I opened your route and then clicked +Use route. I then shared the route to myself using WhatsApp, the route opened from WhatsApp with all via points.
                    I’m using an iPhone 11

                    IMG_4284.png

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                    Hubert Thoring
                    wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 09:34 last edited by
                    #22

                    @Nick-Carthew

                    Could it also be that you have the wrong open one because "red" is not transmitted in GPX 1.1 ... 👋

                    Könnte es auch sein das Du die falsche geöffnete hast denn „Rot“ wird nicht im GPX 1.1 übertragen … 👋

                    VG Hubert
                    Info zum Beta Test "Next App" dazu die Hardware ...
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                    • undefined Hubert Thoring
                      29 Nov 2024, 09:01

                      @Nick-Carthew

                      Thank you first of all 👋

                      Question about the exact procedure !!️

                      You have loaded the route to +Route in your area, then saved it via export on your mobile phone and then only sent it to yourself via WhatsApp via file.

                      Then via WhatsApp on file then by click and then shared to MRA !?️

                      Was that like that or different

                      Danke erst einmal 👋

                      Frage zum genauen Ablauf ‼️

                      Hast Du die Route nach +Route in deinem Bereich geladen, danach über Export auf deinem Handy gespeichert und dann erst per WhatsApp über Datei dir selbst geschickt.

                      Dann über WhatsApp auf Datei dann per Klick und dann an MRA geteilt ⁉️

                      War das so oder anders

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                      RouteXperts Instructor
                      wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 09:34 last edited by
                      #23

                      @Hubert-Thoring I saved your route to my MRA library by using the +Use route button. I then opened the route in the MRA mobile app and used the download button and chose.gpx 1.1 and then I clicked the Export button and chose WhatsApp.
                      I opened WhatsApp, clicked the link and it opened as it should.

                      But I don’t know why you are using this method.
                      Just open the route then click the 3 dots top right and choose share. There is no need to use the download button and export.

                      Always willing to help if I can.
                      Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                      MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                      Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                      Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                      TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                      • undefined Hubert Thoring
                        29 Nov 2024, 08:36

                        @Marinus-van-Deudekom

                        Thank you first!!

                        Which cell phone do you have?

                        • with an iPhone / iPad under iOS then the Via WP 9,18,27,36,45,64,63,72,81,90 are missing

                        Are the WP 9,18,27 ... everything Via WP stayed with you ...

                        VG 👋

                        Danke erst einmal!!

                        Welches Handy hast Du denn ?

                        • mit einem iPhone / iPad unter iOS fehlen dann die Via WP 9,18,27,36,45,64,63,72,81,90

                        Sind die WP 9,18,27 … alles Via WP bei dir geblieben …

                        VG 👋

                        I always use the travel mode "the motorcycle" and never had any problems !!️

                        Ich nutze immer den Reisemodus „das Motorrad“ und hatte nie Probleme ‼️

                        IMG_9438.jpeg

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                        RouteXperts
                        wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 10:24 last edited by
                        #24

                        @Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
                        Like stated in my signature I use an Samsung S20FE.
                        I'm allergic to Aple so I can"t help you there 🙂

                        Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                        Honda Silverwing GL 650
                        DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                        Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                        Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                        • undefined Corjan Meijerink
                          29 Nov 2024, 09:22

                          @Marinus-van-Deudekom Sorry, that's just not true.
                          The motorcycle profile works just fine and won't cause issues ever.
                          It only doesn't support the shortest routing option 🤷

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                          RouteXperts
                          wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 10:26 last edited by
                          #25

                          @Corjan-Meijerink And it doesn't support roadsigns stating a no go for motorcycles. Up till now I haven't seen any advantage of the bike profile. But surprise me always willing to learn 🙂

                          Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                          Honda Silverwing GL 650
                          DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                          Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                          Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                          • undefined Marinus van Deudekom
                            29 Nov 2024, 10:26

                            @Corjan-Meijerink And it doesn't support roadsigns stating a no go for motorcycles. Up till now I haven't seen any advantage of the bike profile. But surprise me always willing to learn 🙂

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                            wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 12:59 last edited by Con Hennekens
                            #26

                            @Marinus-van-Deudekom, "having no advantage" is not equal to "Here can't handle that profile". That profile is introduced by Here themselves, hence it is available in the app. "Having no advantage" is only true, as far as you know it. I agree that the advantage seems to be very limited, but for me even just the helmet icon is an advantage in itself, indicating for which purpose a route was designed.

                            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                              Corjan Meijerink
                              administrator
                              wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 13:38 last edited by
                              #27

                              Except for not having shortest route option, there aren't disadvantages.
                              Advantages are better ETA calculation and maneuvers that make sense for bikes.

                              Motorcycle mode:
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                              Car mode:
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                              In general motorcycle mode will allow more sharp turns as your turn radius is significantly less than for cars. Besides that roads disallowed only for cars can also be allowed but that information is quite often not as accurate and treated just as for cars 😉

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                              • undefined Nick Carthew
                                29 Nov 2024, 09:34

                                @Hubert-Thoring I saved your route to my MRA library by using the +Use route button. I then opened the route in the MRA mobile app and used the download button and chose.gpx 1.1 and then I clicked the Export button and chose WhatsApp.
                                I opened WhatsApp, clicked the link and it opened as it should.

                                But I don’t know why you are using this method.
                                Just open the route then click the 3 dots top right and choose share. There is no need to use the download button and export.

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                                Hubert Thoring
                                wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 15:31 last edited by
                                #28

                                @Nick-Carthew, @Marinus-van-Deudekom @Con-Hennekens

                                Hello everyone,
                                Thanks again for your cooperation, for clarification, I think we are still talking/writing at cross-purposes.

                                The respective test was not carried out exactly 1:1 either, because friends in the test at least with the iPhone iOS / iPad iOS encountered these two errors in exactly the same way.

                                Test:

                                • 1.) WhatsApp, share the file received here with a click to MRA
                                • 2.) Share the file from the phone storage with a click to MRA

                                I would like to show the malfunction of these two already shown ways of transferring files with a route that has several Via WPs. Because during the transfer, a route track is always created in which the 10 Via WPs mentioned are missing even though it is one route and that is the error in each case.

                                I am aware of the many other internal MRA options, but the beta is about possible errors or malfunctions, so I ask that you test exactly what I will write down step by step in the next post.

                                Thank you very much for that.

                                Hallo an alle,
                                Danke noch einmal für die Zusammenarbeit, zur Erklärung, ich glaube wir reden / schreiben teilweise noch aneinander vorbei.

                                Auch der jeweilige Test wurde nicht ganz so 1:1 durchgeführt, weil bei Freunden im Test zumindest mit dem iPhone iOS / iPad iOS diese zwei Fehler genau so aufgetreten sind.

                                Test:

                                • 1.) WhatsApp, hier erhaltene Datei per Klick teilen an MRA
                                • 2.) Datei vom Handy Speicher per Klick teilen an MRA

                                Ich möchte grundsätzlich die Fehlfunktion dieser zwei schon aufgezeigten Wege zur Dateiübertragung mit einer Route aufzeigen die mehreren Via WP hat. Denn daraus wird bei der Übertragung jeweils dann immer ein Routen-Track in der die besagten 10 Via WP fehlen obwohl es eine Route ist und das ist jeweils der Fehler.

                                Die vielen MRA internen anderen Möglichkeiten sind mir bekannt aber im Beta geht es um mögliche Fehler- oder Fehlfunktionen, also bitte ich darum genau das zu testen was ich im nächsten Beitrag noch einmal Schritt für Schritt aufschreibe.

                                Vielen Dank schon einmal dafür.

                                VG Hubert
                                Info zum Beta Test "Next App" dazu die Hardware ...
                                iPad 9. Generation iOS 18.5 / Handy iPhone Xr iOS 18.5 / PC mit MS Win11 / BMW Connected App mit Cradel.
                                ❗️MyRoute-App im Cradel und Remotek-One❗️

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                                • undefined Hubert Thoring
                                  29 Nov 2024, 15:31

                                  @Nick-Carthew, @Marinus-van-Deudekom @Con-Hennekens

                                  Hello everyone,
                                  Thanks again for your cooperation, for clarification, I think we are still talking/writing at cross-purposes.

                                  The respective test was not carried out exactly 1:1 either, because friends in the test at least with the iPhone iOS / iPad iOS encountered these two errors in exactly the same way.

                                  Test:

                                  • 1.) WhatsApp, share the file received here with a click to MRA
                                  • 2.) Share the file from the phone storage with a click to MRA

                                  I would like to show the malfunction of these two already shown ways of transferring files with a route that has several Via WPs. Because during the transfer, a route track is always created in which the 10 Via WPs mentioned are missing even though it is one route and that is the error in each case.

                                  I am aware of the many other internal MRA options, but the beta is about possible errors or malfunctions, so I ask that you test exactly what I will write down step by step in the next post.

                                  Thank you very much for that.

                                  Hallo an alle,
                                  Danke noch einmal für die Zusammenarbeit, zur Erklärung, ich glaube wir reden / schreiben teilweise noch aneinander vorbei.

                                  Auch der jeweilige Test wurde nicht ganz so 1:1 durchgeführt, weil bei Freunden im Test zumindest mit dem iPhone iOS / iPad iOS diese zwei Fehler genau so aufgetreten sind.

                                  Test:

                                  • 1.) WhatsApp, hier erhaltene Datei per Klick teilen an MRA
                                  • 2.) Datei vom Handy Speicher per Klick teilen an MRA

                                  Ich möchte grundsätzlich die Fehlfunktion dieser zwei schon aufgezeigten Wege zur Dateiübertragung mit einer Route aufzeigen die mehreren Via WP hat. Denn daraus wird bei der Übertragung jeweils dann immer ein Routen-Track in der die besagten 10 Via WP fehlen obwohl es eine Route ist und das ist jeweils der Fehler.

                                  Die vielen MRA internen anderen Möglichkeiten sind mir bekannt aber im Beta geht es um mögliche Fehler- oder Fehlfunktionen, also bitte ich darum genau das zu testen was ich im nächsten Beitrag noch einmal Schritt für Schritt aufschreibe.

                                  Vielen Dank schon einmal dafür.

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                                  Hubert Thoring
                                  wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 16:27 last edited by Hubert Thoring
                                  #29

                                  Test: WhatsApp
                                  To explain, there are many bikers who don't have an MRA yet but have good routes, which are often sent to friends via WhatsApp. Now to the problem, when sharing directly from WhatsApp to the MRA, the error occurs and a good route with, for example, some important Via WPs becomes a route track in which these important Via WPs are missing.

                                  To test / show this, I created this route with 10 additional Via WPs.

                                  Please proceed exactly as follows when testing:

                                  Preparation for the test:
                                  1.) Please only carry out the test on your mobile phone
                                  2.) Please add the route = Link to route to your own library using +Route (use).
                                  2.) Please download the route from the MRA in 1.1 GPX format and then send it to your own WhatsApp address.

                                  Perform test:
                                  3.) Search for the received route in WhatsApp
                                  4.) Click to share this file with the route to MRA
                                  5.) The MRA opens with a route? or route track?

                                  Info: This is how it is for me - The MRA opens with a route track even though the file was once a route, the 10 Via hands are missing.

                                  5.) Please save in MRA now.

                                  You probably have two files with the same name but different content under routes, but the 10 Via WP are missing in one of them.

                                  I had Via WP at 9, 18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90 shown with a red hand. Red is not transferred in the GPX but the Via points should be there.

                                  How is your test now????

                                  In my opinion, this is a mistake, at least in an iOS mobile application.

                                  Test: WhatsApp
                                  Zur Erklärung, es gibt viele Biker die noch keine MRA haben aber dafür gute Routen, diese werden dann oft mit der WhatsApp an Freunde geschickt. Jetzt zum Problem, beim direkten teilen aus der WhatsApp an die MRA tritt dann der Fehler auf und aus einer guten Route mit zum Beispiel einigen wichtigen Via WP wird ein Routen-Track in dem diese wichtigen Via WP fehlen.

                                  Um dieses zu testen / zu zeigen habe ich diese Route mit 10 zusätzlichen Via WP erstellt.

                                  Bitte beim Test genau so vorgehen:

                                  Vorbereitung zum Test:
                                  1.) Bitte Test nur am Handy durchführen
                                  2.) Bitte die Route = Link zur Route per +Route (benutzen) in die eigene Bibliothek übernehmen.
                                  2.) Bitte die Route aus der MRA per Herunterladen im 1.1 GPX Format laden und dann bitte an deine eigene WhatsApp Adresse schicken.

                                  Test durchführen:
                                  3.) Erhaltene Route in WhatsApp suchen
                                  4.) Diese Datei mit der Route jetzt per Klick an MRA teilen
                                  5.) Die MRA öffnet sich mit einem Route ? oder Routen-Track ?

                                  Info bei mir ist es so - Die MRA öffnet sich mit einem Routen-Track obwohl die Datei mal eine Route war, es fehlen die 10 Via Hände.

                                  5.) Bitte jetzt in MRA speichern.

                                  Jetzt hast Du wahrscheinlich zwei Dateien mit gleichem Namen aber unterschiedlichem Inhalt unter Routen liegen, in der einen fehlen aber die 10 Via WP.

                                  Ich hatte Via WP bei 9, 18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90 mit roter Hand dargestellt. Rot wird in der GPX nicht übertragen aber die Via Punkte sollten vorhanden sein.

                                  Wie ist das bei eurem Test jetzt ????

                                  Aus meiner Sicht ist das ein Fehler, zumindest bei einer iOS Handy Anwendung.

                                  VG Hubert
                                  Info zum Beta Test "Next App" dazu die Hardware ...
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                                  • undefined Hubert Thoring
                                    29 Nov 2024, 16:27

                                    Test: WhatsApp
                                    To explain, there are many bikers who don't have an MRA yet but have good routes, which are often sent to friends via WhatsApp. Now to the problem, when sharing directly from WhatsApp to the MRA, the error occurs and a good route with, for example, some important Via WPs becomes a route track in which these important Via WPs are missing.

                                    To test / show this, I created this route with 10 additional Via WPs.

                                    Please proceed exactly as follows when testing:

                                    Preparation for the test:
                                    1.) Please only carry out the test on your mobile phone
                                    2.) Please add the route = Link to route to your own library using +Route (use).
                                    2.) Please download the route from the MRA in 1.1 GPX format and then send it to your own WhatsApp address.

                                    Perform test:
                                    3.) Search for the received route in WhatsApp
                                    4.) Click to share this file with the route to MRA
                                    5.) The MRA opens with a route? or route track?

                                    Info: This is how it is for me - The MRA opens with a route track even though the file was once a route, the 10 Via hands are missing.

                                    5.) Please save in MRA now.

                                    You probably have two files with the same name but different content under routes, but the 10 Via WP are missing in one of them.

                                    I had Via WP at 9, 18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90 shown with a red hand. Red is not transferred in the GPX but the Via points should be there.

                                    How is your test now????

                                    In my opinion, this is a mistake, at least in an iOS mobile application.

                                    Test: WhatsApp
                                    Zur Erklärung, es gibt viele Biker die noch keine MRA haben aber dafür gute Routen, diese werden dann oft mit der WhatsApp an Freunde geschickt. Jetzt zum Problem, beim direkten teilen aus der WhatsApp an die MRA tritt dann der Fehler auf und aus einer guten Route mit zum Beispiel einigen wichtigen Via WP wird ein Routen-Track in dem diese wichtigen Via WP fehlen.

                                    Um dieses zu testen / zu zeigen habe ich diese Route mit 10 zusätzlichen Via WP erstellt.

                                    Bitte beim Test genau so vorgehen:

                                    Vorbereitung zum Test:
                                    1.) Bitte Test nur am Handy durchführen
                                    2.) Bitte die Route = Link zur Route per +Route (benutzen) in die eigene Bibliothek übernehmen.
                                    2.) Bitte die Route aus der MRA per Herunterladen im 1.1 GPX Format laden und dann bitte an deine eigene WhatsApp Adresse schicken.

                                    Test durchführen:
                                    3.) Erhaltene Route in WhatsApp suchen
                                    4.) Diese Datei mit der Route jetzt per Klick an MRA teilen
                                    5.) Die MRA öffnet sich mit einem Route ? oder Routen-Track ?

                                    Info bei mir ist es so - Die MRA öffnet sich mit einem Routen-Track obwohl die Datei mal eine Route war, es fehlen die 10 Via Hände.

                                    5.) Bitte jetzt in MRA speichern.

                                    Jetzt hast Du wahrscheinlich zwei Dateien mit gleichem Namen aber unterschiedlichem Inhalt unter Routen liegen, in der einen fehlen aber die 10 Via WP.

                                    Ich hatte Via WP bei 9, 18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90 mit roter Hand dargestellt. Rot wird in der GPX nicht übertragen aber die Via Punkte sollten vorhanden sein.

                                    Wie ist das bei eurem Test jetzt ????

                                    Aus meiner Sicht ist das ein Fehler, zumindest bei einer iOS Handy Anwendung.

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                                    Hubert Thoring
                                    wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 18:37 last edited by
                                    #30

                                    Test: Share route as a file to MRA

                                    Please proceed exactly as follows when testing:

                                    Preparation for the test:

                                    1.) Please only carry out the test on your mobile phone

                                    1.1.) Optional if you haven't already done so - Please add the route = Link to route to your own library using +Route (use).

                                    2.) Please download the route from the MRA in 1.1 GPX format and then save it on your mobile phone.

                                    Carry out the test:

                                    3.) Search for the saved route on your mobile phone

                                    4.) Now share this file with the route to MRA with a click

                                    5.) The MRA opens with a route? or route track?

                                    Info: For me it's like this - The MRA opens with a route track even though the file was once a route, the 10 via hands are missing.

                                    5.) Please save in MRA now.

                                    You probably have another file with the same name under routes, but the new one is missing the 10 Via WPs.

                                    I had Via WPs at 9, 18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90 shown with a red hand. Red is not transferred in the GPX but the Via points should be there.

                                    Test: Route als Datei nach MRA teilen

                                    Bitte beim Test genau so vorgehen:

                                    Vorbereitung zum Test:
                                    1.) Bitte Test nur am Handy durchführen
                                    1.1.) Optional wenn nicht schon geschehen - Bitte die Route = Link zur Route per +Route (benutzen) in die eigene Bibliothek übernehmen.
                                    2.) Bitte die Route aus der MRA per Herunterladen im 1.1 GPX Format laden und dann bitte auf dem Handy speichern.

                                    Test durchführen:
                                    3.) Die gespeicherte Route auf dem Handy suchen
                                    4.) Diese Datei mit der Route jetzt per Klick an MRA teilen
                                    5.) Die MRA öffnet sich mit einer Route ? oder Routen-Track ?

                                    Info bei mir ist es so - Die MRA öffnet sich mit einem Routen-Track obwohl die Datei mal eine Route war, es fehlen die 10 Via Hände.

                                    5.) Bitte jetzt in MRA speichern.

                                    Jetzt hast Du wahrscheinlich eine weitere Datei mit gleichem Namen unter Routen liegen, in der neuen fehlen aber auch wieder die 10 Via WP.

                                    Ich hatte Via WP bei 9, 18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90 mit roter Hand dargestellt. Rot wird in der GPX nicht übertragen aber die Via Punkte sollten vorhanden sein.

                                    Wie ist das bei eurem Test jetzt ????

                                    Aus meiner Sicht ist das auch ein Fehler, zumindest bei einer iOS Handy Anwendung.

                                    VG Hubert
                                    Info zum Beta Test "Next App" dazu die Hardware ...
                                    iPad 9. Generation iOS 18.5 / Handy iPhone Xr iOS 18.5 / PC mit MS Win11 / BMW Connected App mit Cradel.
                                    ❗️MyRoute-App im Cradel und Remotek-One❗️

                                    undefined undefined 2 Replies Last reply 29 Nov 2024, 18:49
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                                    • undefined Hubert Thoring
                                      29 Nov 2024, 18:37

                                      Test: Share route as a file to MRA

                                      Please proceed exactly as follows when testing:

                                      Preparation for the test:

                                      1.) Please only carry out the test on your mobile phone

                                      1.1.) Optional if you haven't already done so - Please add the route = Link to route to your own library using +Route (use).

                                      2.) Please download the route from the MRA in 1.1 GPX format and then save it on your mobile phone.

                                      Carry out the test:

                                      3.) Search for the saved route on your mobile phone

                                      4.) Now share this file with the route to MRA with a click

                                      5.) The MRA opens with a route? or route track?

                                      Info: For me it's like this - The MRA opens with a route track even though the file was once a route, the 10 via hands are missing.

                                      5.) Please save in MRA now.

                                      You probably have another file with the same name under routes, but the new one is missing the 10 Via WPs.

                                      I had Via WPs at 9, 18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90 shown with a red hand. Red is not transferred in the GPX but the Via points should be there.

                                      Test: Route als Datei nach MRA teilen

                                      Bitte beim Test genau so vorgehen:

                                      Vorbereitung zum Test:
                                      1.) Bitte Test nur am Handy durchführen
                                      1.1.) Optional wenn nicht schon geschehen - Bitte die Route = Link zur Route per +Route (benutzen) in die eigene Bibliothek übernehmen.
                                      2.) Bitte die Route aus der MRA per Herunterladen im 1.1 GPX Format laden und dann bitte auf dem Handy speichern.

                                      Test durchführen:
                                      3.) Die gespeicherte Route auf dem Handy suchen
                                      4.) Diese Datei mit der Route jetzt per Klick an MRA teilen
                                      5.) Die MRA öffnet sich mit einer Route ? oder Routen-Track ?

                                      Info bei mir ist es so - Die MRA öffnet sich mit einem Routen-Track obwohl die Datei mal eine Route war, es fehlen die 10 Via Hände.

                                      5.) Bitte jetzt in MRA speichern.

                                      Jetzt hast Du wahrscheinlich eine weitere Datei mit gleichem Namen unter Routen liegen, in der neuen fehlen aber auch wieder die 10 Via WP.

                                      Ich hatte Via WP bei 9, 18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90 mit roter Hand dargestellt. Rot wird in der GPX nicht übertragen aber die Via Punkte sollten vorhanden sein.

                                      Wie ist das bei eurem Test jetzt ????

                                      Aus meiner Sicht ist das auch ein Fehler, zumindest bei einer iOS Handy Anwendung.

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                                      Hubert Thoring
                                      wrote on 29 Nov 2024, 18:49 last edited by
                                      #31

                                      Ansichten im Bild: Nach dem hochladen fehlen die 10 Via WP

                                      Basis Datei:
                                      IMG_9405.PNG

                                      Ergebnis Datei über WhatsApp an MRA teilen, und auch das Ergebnis vom Handy gespeicherte Datei an MRA teilen

                                      IMG_9410.PNG

                                      VG Hubert
                                      Info zum Beta Test "Next App" dazu die Hardware ...
                                      iPad 9. Generation iOS 18.5 / Handy iPhone Xr iOS 18.5 / PC mit MS Win11 / BMW Connected App mit Cradel.
                                      ❗️MyRoute-App im Cradel und Remotek-One❗️

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                                      • undefined Con Hennekens
                                        28 Nov 2024, 15:47

                                        @Herko-ter-Horst said in GPX Format - Übernahme als Route, Routen-track, Tracklog:

                                        In my opinion, a more user-friendly way to handle importing such a file as a route, would be to either:

                                        warn the user that the file does not contain a route and prevent them from importing it as a route/point them to the "route-track" option

                                        If there is no route (no waypoints) in a gpx file, MRA will not import it. The fact that there are actually waypoints in the file means that it is generated from a route. I have seen this very often. The waypoints are fine, just in the wrong order. Together with the track underneath it is usually not hard to reorder the waypoints manually in the left collumn. This way you do not lose any waypoint info.

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                                        Herko ter Horst
                                        wrote on 30 Nov 2024, 12:33 last edited by Herko ter Horst
                                        #32

                                        @Con-Hennekens A GPX-file can contain waypoints without containing a route. For example, Kurviger.de allows you to export a GPX with any of the following: waypoints, route and track (you can select 1, 2 or all 3).

                                        Technically, in the GPX file format, there are <wpt> tags that can appear without representing a route, there are <rtept> tags that can appear within <rte> tags to represent an actual route and <trkpt> tags that can appear within <trk> tags to represent a track.

                                        MRA (Web) imports a GPX with only <wpt> just fine and interprets them as a shaping points for a route. If those waypoints are in the "wrong" order, you'll get the issue in this topic. Importing the same file into BaseCamp gives me a list of waypoints (no route) and a track.

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                                        • undefined Hubert Thoring
                                          29 Nov 2024, 18:37

                                          Test: Share route as a file to MRA

                                          Please proceed exactly as follows when testing:

                                          Preparation for the test:

                                          1.) Please only carry out the test on your mobile phone

                                          1.1.) Optional if you haven't already done so - Please add the route = Link to route to your own library using +Route (use).

                                          2.) Please download the route from the MRA in 1.1 GPX format and then save it on your mobile phone.

                                          Carry out the test:

                                          3.) Search for the saved route on your mobile phone

                                          4.) Now share this file with the route to MRA with a click

                                          5.) The MRA opens with a route? or route track?

                                          Info: For me it's like this - The MRA opens with a route track even though the file was once a route, the 10 via hands are missing.

                                          5.) Please save in MRA now.

                                          You probably have another file with the same name under routes, but the new one is missing the 10 Via WPs.

                                          I had Via WPs at 9, 18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90 shown with a red hand. Red is not transferred in the GPX but the Via points should be there.

                                          Test: Route als Datei nach MRA teilen

                                          Bitte beim Test genau so vorgehen:

                                          Vorbereitung zum Test:
                                          1.) Bitte Test nur am Handy durchführen
                                          1.1.) Optional wenn nicht schon geschehen - Bitte die Route = Link zur Route per +Route (benutzen) in die eigene Bibliothek übernehmen.
                                          2.) Bitte die Route aus der MRA per Herunterladen im 1.1 GPX Format laden und dann bitte auf dem Handy speichern.

                                          Test durchführen:
                                          3.) Die gespeicherte Route auf dem Handy suchen
                                          4.) Diese Datei mit der Route jetzt per Klick an MRA teilen
                                          5.) Die MRA öffnet sich mit einer Route ? oder Routen-Track ?

                                          Info bei mir ist es so - Die MRA öffnet sich mit einem Routen-Track obwohl die Datei mal eine Route war, es fehlen die 10 Via Hände.

                                          5.) Bitte jetzt in MRA speichern.

                                          Jetzt hast Du wahrscheinlich eine weitere Datei mit gleichem Namen unter Routen liegen, in der neuen fehlen aber auch wieder die 10 Via WP.

                                          Ich hatte Via WP bei 9, 18,27,36,45,54,63,72,81,90 mit roter Hand dargestellt. Rot wird in der GPX nicht übertragen aber die Via Punkte sollten vorhanden sein.

                                          Wie ist das bei eurem Test jetzt ????

                                          Aus meiner Sicht ist das auch ein Fehler, zumindest bei einer iOS Handy Anwendung.

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                                          Marinus van Deudekom
                                          RouteXperts
                                          wrote on 30 Nov 2024, 12:48 last edited by
                                          #33

                                          @Hubert-Thoring Hi Hubert
                                          What I'm am missing is the Why would you want to do this. Share a file or finding a loop whole. It seems complicated to me to do this whitout some background info

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