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What's the point of your route planner?

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  • undefined Gordon Lawson
    28 Oct 2024, 13:51

    Foolishly, after all the issues I encounter using MRA, I decided to give it another go yesterday. I plotted a route then told the app to navigate the route. In the picture below you can see the route plotted, and the yellow line shows the approximate route it took me on. WTF???
    Stupid route.png

    I do not understand why plotting a route and navigating the same route are done using different maps with such widely varying results. It makes the combination of your route planner and navigation app absolutely useless!!!! I know there is a warning that it may give different results, but come on..... this is ludicrous! And I also understand that I could use a "track" but then all the waypoint information is lost, so if you need the waypoint info then a track is no good.
    Before I finally delete this app from my phone (never to be installed again as long as I live), can someone explain to me how I can make this combined app work as I would expect it to work, i.e. plan a route then navigate THAT EXACT ROUTE? Or am I just completely wasting my time with this?
    Thanks

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    RetiredWingMan
    wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 14:16 last edited by
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    @Gordon-Lawson did you plan the route using the Here maps? Perhaps if you share the route here someone can have a look to what the issue may be.

    2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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      Gordon Lawson
      wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 14:32 last edited by
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      @RetiredWingMan The route was plotted in whatever the default map for plotting is.

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      • undefined Gordon Lawson
        28 Oct 2024, 13:51

        Foolishly, after all the issues I encounter using MRA, I decided to give it another go yesterday. I plotted a route then told the app to navigate the route. In the picture below you can see the route plotted, and the yellow line shows the approximate route it took me on. WTF???
        Stupid route.png

        I do not understand why plotting a route and navigating the same route are done using different maps with such widely varying results. It makes the combination of your route planner and navigation app absolutely useless!!!! I know there is a warning that it may give different results, but come on..... this is ludicrous! And I also understand that I could use a "track" but then all the waypoint information is lost, so if you need the waypoint info then a track is no good.
        Before I finally delete this app from my phone (never to be installed again as long as I live), can someone explain to me how I can make this combined app work as I would expect it to work, i.e. plan a route then navigate THAT EXACT ROUTE? Or am I just completely wasting my time with this?
        Thanks

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        Lisi Mayr
        wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 14:33 last edited by
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        @Gordon-Lawson use more waypoints

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        • undefined Gordon Lawson
          28 Oct 2024, 14:32

          @RetiredWingMan The route was plotted in whatever the default map for plotting is.

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          RetiredWingMan
          wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 14:36 last edited by
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          @Gordon-Lawson the initial planning map is Openstreetmaps. This uses a different routing algorithm than Here. The Navigation Next app uses Here. Change your default to use the Here map and if you want a proper answer to your issue share the route.

          2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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          • undefined RetiredWingMan
            28 Oct 2024, 14:36

            @Gordon-Lawson the initial planning map is Openstreetmaps. This uses a different routing algorithm than Here. The Navigation Next app uses Here. Change your default to use the Here map and if you want a proper answer to your issue share the route.

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            Gordon Lawson
            wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 14:56 last edited by
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            @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

            @Gordon-Lawson the initial planning map is Openstreetmaps. This uses a different routing algorithm than Here. The Navigation Next app uses Here.

            This is part of my question - why do this? Why use a completely different system to navigate from the one used to plan the route? It just seems stupid!

            I have no idea how to upload the route.

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            • undefined Gordon Lawson
              28 Oct 2024, 14:56

              @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

              @Gordon-Lawson the initial planning map is Openstreetmaps. This uses a different routing algorithm than Here. The Navigation Next app uses Here.

              This is part of my question - why do this? Why use a completely different system to navigate from the one used to plan the route? It just seems stupid!

              I have no idea how to upload the route.

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              Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
              Instructor RouteXperts
              wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 15:05 last edited by
              #7

              @Gordon-Lawson

              copy the url form the route and paste it here.

              Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
              Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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              • undefined Gordon Lawson
                28 Oct 2024, 14:56

                @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                @Gordon-Lawson the initial planning map is Openstreetmaps. This uses a different routing algorithm than Here. The Navigation Next app uses Here.

                This is part of my question - why do this? Why use a completely different system to navigate from the one used to plan the route? It just seems stupid!

                I have no idea how to upload the route.

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                Marinus van Deudekom
                RouteXperts
                wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 16:13 last edited by
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                @Gordon-Lawson In short the answer could be RTFM but that might not help you.
                It looks like you did a couple basic things wrong but before we can help you it is necessary that you share the route in the way Hans explained.
                If you want to use an app it's already usefull to get to know how it works. There's plenty of tutorials and videos on that. All there to help you and have fun instead of frustration things go different than you wanted them to be.
                So let us help you

                Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                Honda Silverwing GL 650
                DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                  Gordon Lawson
                  wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 17:13 last edited by
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                  https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395

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                  • undefined Gordon Lawson
                    28 Oct 2024, 14:56

                    @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                    @Gordon-Lawson the initial planning map is Openstreetmaps. This uses a different routing algorithm than Here. The Navigation Next app uses Here.

                    This is part of my question - why do this? Why use a completely different system to navigate from the one used to plan the route? It just seems stupid!

                    I have no idea how to upload the route.

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                    RetiredWingMan
                    wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 17:16 last edited by
                    #10

                    @Gordon-Lawson that's what we are trying to tell you. Change the planning map to Here. That way you will be using the same maps and algorithms for planning that the navigation software uses. You should take some time to view some introductory videos and read the user manuals. It will save you a lot of grief.

                    2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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                      Corjan Meijerink
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                      wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 17:44 last edited by
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                      Unless explicitly turned off, the app will even warn about navigating routes not created in HERE 🙂

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                      • undefined Gordon Lawson
                        28 Oct 2024, 17:13

                        https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395

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                        richtea999
                        wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 18:09 last edited by
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                        @Gordon-Lawson said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                        https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395

                        You need to make the route 'public', so we can see it.

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                          Gordon Lawson
                          wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 19:08 last edited by
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                          @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                          @Gordon-Lawson that's what we are trying to tell you. Change the planning map to Here. That way you will be using the same maps and algorithms for planning that the navigation software uses. You should take some time to view some introductory videos and read the user manuals. It will save you a lot of grief.

                          I did. Here’s what the manual says:
                          IMG_0023.jpeg
                          As I don’t have “Gold” I assumed I was stuck with Openstreetmap.

                          https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395/mobile#52.920647448131;-1.6127693653106492;10/

                          This will be slow as I am only allowed to post once per hour!

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                          • undefined Gordon Lawson
                            28 Oct 2024, 19:08

                            @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                            @Gordon-Lawson that's what we are trying to tell you. Change the planning map to Here. That way you will be using the same maps and algorithms for planning that the navigation software uses. You should take some time to view some introductory videos and read the user manuals. It will save you a lot of grief.

                            I did. Here’s what the manual says:
                            IMG_0023.jpeg
                            As I don’t have “Gold” I assumed I was stuck with Openstreetmap.

                            https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395/mobile#52.920647448131;-1.6127693653106492;10/

                            This will be slow as I am only allowed to post once per hour!

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                            Nick Carthew
                            RouteXperts Instructor
                            wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 20:19 last edited by
                            #14

                            @Gordon-Lawson Your MRA Navigation Next subscription gives you access to the HERE planning map.

                            Always willing to help if I can.
                            Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                            MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                            Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                            Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
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                              richtea999
                              wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 21:02 last edited by richtea999
                              #15

                              Once you've swapped from OpenStreetMap to HERE in the planner (which is the main fix), you get this route, which is pretty much where the app took you:

                              Screenshot 2024-10-28 at 20.57.51.png

                              The solution is only two steps:

                              1. Use HERE if you're using the MRA Nav app or Garmin
                              2. Once you've done that, add a couple more waypoints to get the route to go where you really want it to go.

                              It's just practice, I promise. Don't be put off!

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                              • undefined Gordon Lawson
                                28 Oct 2024, 19:08

                                @RetiredWingMan said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                                @Gordon-Lawson that's what we are trying to tell you. Change the planning map to Here. That way you will be using the same maps and algorithms for planning that the navigation software uses. You should take some time to view some introductory videos and read the user manuals. It will save you a lot of grief.

                                I did. Here’s what the manual says:
                                IMG_0023.jpeg
                                As I don’t have “Gold” I assumed I was stuck with Openstreetmap.

                                https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10175395/mobile#52.920647448131;-1.6127693653106492;10/

                                This will be slow as I am only allowed to post once per hour!

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                                Marinus van Deudekom
                                RouteXperts
                                wrote on 28 Oct 2024, 22:14 last edited by
                                #16

                                @Gordon-Lawson besides the remarks of the others you've selected the bike profile witch only works in the Here map and TomTom map. Use the car profile insteadScreenshot_20241028_230651.jpg Screenshot_20241028_230735.jpg

                                Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                                Honda Silverwing GL 650
                                DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                                Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                                Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                                  Gordon Lawson
                                  wrote on 29 Oct 2024, 09:15 last edited by
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                                  I'd love to RTFM - where is it? All I can find is a knowledge base with a selection of articles.
                                  Screenshot 2024-10-29 091010.png
                                  I never understood what this message meant.

                                  Now I have set my maps to "Here" as default then maybe I will have more luck. I'll try another route and see what happens before heading for TomTom.

                                  My original question still remains - why use one mapping system to plan routes then a completely different one for navigation?

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                                    29 Oct 2024, 09:15

                                    I'd love to RTFM - where is it? All I can find is a knowledge base with a selection of articles.
                                    Screenshot 2024-10-29 091010.png
                                    I never understood what this message meant.

                                    Now I have set my maps to "Here" as default then maybe I will have more luck. I'll try another route and see what happens before heading for TomTom.

                                    My original question still remains - why use one mapping system to plan routes then a completely different one for navigation?

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                                    Nick Carthew
                                    RouteXperts Instructor
                                    wrote on 29 Oct 2024, 09:39 last edited by
                                    #18

                                    @Gordon-Lawson said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                                    My original question still remains - why use one mapping system to plan routes then a completely different one for navigation?

                                    Simple answer, you don’t.
                                    Plan your route using the HERE map for navigation using MRA Navigation Next.

                                    If you have a TomTom you would plan your routes using the TomTom planning map.

                                    Calimoto uses the OpenStreetMap, therefore anyone using this app would plan their routes on the OSM planning map.

                                    Always willing to help if I can.
                                    Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                                    MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                                    Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                                    Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                                    TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                                    • undefined Gordon Lawson
                                      29 Oct 2024, 09:15

                                      I'd love to RTFM - where is it? All I can find is a knowledge base with a selection of articles.
                                      Screenshot 2024-10-29 091010.png
                                      I never understood what this message meant.

                                      Now I have set my maps to "Here" as default then maybe I will have more luck. I'll try another route and see what happens before heading for TomTom.

                                      My original question still remains - why use one mapping system to plan routes then a completely different one for navigation?

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                                      Con Hennekens
                                      wrote on 29 Oct 2024, 10:03 last edited by
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                                      @Gordon-Lawson said in What's the point of your route planner?:

                                      My original question still remains - why use one mapping system to plan routes then a completely different one for navigation?

                                      You choose that yourself...
                                      You must realise that the MRA planner is not intended solely for use with the MRA Navigation app. It is also intended for users of TomTom, Garmin and other navigation systems.

                                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                        28 Oct 2024, 13:51

                                        Foolishly, after all the issues I encounter using MRA, I decided to give it another go yesterday. I plotted a route then told the app to navigate the route. In the picture below you can see the route plotted, and the yellow line shows the approximate route it took me on. WTF???
                                        Stupid route.png

                                        I do not understand why plotting a route and navigating the same route are done using different maps with such widely varying results. It makes the combination of your route planner and navigation app absolutely useless!!!! I know there is a warning that it may give different results, but come on..... this is ludicrous! And I also understand that I could use a "track" but then all the waypoint information is lost, so if you need the waypoint info then a track is no good.
                                        Before I finally delete this app from my phone (never to be installed again as long as I live), can someone explain to me how I can make this combined app work as I would expect it to work, i.e. plan a route then navigate THAT EXACT ROUTE? Or am I just completely wasting my time with this?
                                        Thanks

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                                        Stephen Rowland
                                        wrote on 29 Oct 2024, 10:15 last edited by
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                                        @Gordon-Lawson Using the HERE map, changing 2 via points (hands) to shaping points and adding one shaping point to make sure you pass through your point No 2 (rather than drive down a branch to get there), you get this....You need to spend a little time learning to use the planner properly before criticising it
                                        https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10183131#

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                                          Gordon Lawson
                                          wrote on 29 Oct 2024, 10:30 last edited by
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                                          It now appears that by changing to "Here" maps I have lost the ability to change the type of routing between segments.
                                          Screenshot 2024-10-29 101942.png
                                          I thank you all for taking the time to reply on this thread, and your answers (and my subsequent findings) have led me to the conclusion that this is not the planning/navigation system for me.
                                          I wish you all the best of luck 👍

                                          (Admin - feel free to close this thread if you wish)

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