Mobile Phone Battery usage - Any News??
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Curious why Scenic.app doesn't suffer from this excessive battery drain whilst MRA does - both apps use HERE maps
Thoughts?
wrote on 25 Jun 2024, 08:50 last edited by Con Hennekens@Rajp said in Mobile Phone Battery usage - Any News??:
Curious why Scenic.app doesn't suffer from this excessive battery drain whilst MRA does - both apps use HERE maps
Thoughts?Maps having the same HERE badge do not mean they come from the same source, let alone the same SDK is used. I believe HERE offers multiple SDK environments. The one MRA uses is the latest one, and that's probably why some child diseases occur. HERE's own WeGo app is built on the same SDK and shows the same problem concerning battery drain.
@Lynchy67 said in Mobile Phone Battery usage - Any News??:
My personal preference is not to use the voice prompts as I prefer to visually focus on the route line.
It is mentioned by the Dev's that having Voice Notifications enabled can be the cause of the battery drain.I cannot remember this statement, and I would be surprised if it works that way, since the problem is confirmed to be related to the rendering of the map. Are you by any chance navigating without the sound by tapping "Open route" instead of "Navigate"? If that is the case, you are actually not using the HERE map, nor the Next navigation module based on the HERE SDK
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Heavy usage were phone gets hots also.
Often little amount charging do not degrade more quick than less but longer.
A Li-ion has a max. amount of cycles. 1 cycles is from 100% to 0% and then charging back to 100%. How you divide those charges does not matter for the degradation.
A few things which speed up the degradation.- Keep the battery for a long time at 100% without using it
- Heavy usage. Drain the battery faster than you should be considering the health of the battery. Temperature of the battery is your instrument for measurement.
- Drain your battery to 0% or almost 0% before charging.
Best way to keep your battery at good health as long as possible
- Always keep your battery between 10% and 80%. Especially when not using it for a long time.
- Keep the temperature of your Li-ion battery at ALL time at room-temperature. Even when charging.
wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 14:42 last edited by GT JWR 7 Jan 2024, 14:45@M-Schrijver @NICK CARTHEW impossible to charge at room temperature all the time. Just finished a 10 day, 4000mi bike trip, where ambient temps were in excess of 90degF (12degC = 54degF....at those temps, I also do not have issues) for 6 of those days. With the combination of excessive battery drain by the app, and the added heat of the charging, combined with the ambient temp rendered MRA nav 100% useless, as the phone also goes into protect mode and dims the screen and it cannot be seen. It got shelved on day 3, and Scenic app took over....flawlessly, I might add.
So as @Rajp mentions, I too, am curious as to why Scenic (and Google, and Apple to name a few others), do not have such a severe issue?
And for the critics out there that will see this as negative, perahps it is, however, the only way to improve is to know the issues. As mentioned many times, this has been a known issue for over a year, no matter if it is a HERE problem or not, it is MRA's name on the app, therefore, the critique must go there. It's like having issues with a vehicle purchased at a dealership - it is the dealership that you deal with when issues arrive, not directly with the manufacturer.
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@M-Schrijver @NICK CARTHEW impossible to charge at room temperature all the time. Just finished a 10 day, 4000mi bike trip, where ambient temps were in excess of 90degF (12degC = 54degF....at those temps, I also do not have issues) for 6 of those days. With the combination of excessive battery drain by the app, and the added heat of the charging, combined with the ambient temp rendered MRA nav 100% useless, as the phone also goes into protect mode and dims the screen and it cannot be seen. It got shelved on day 3, and Scenic app took over....flawlessly, I might add.
So as @Rajp mentions, I too, am curious as to why Scenic (and Google, and Apple to name a few others), do not have such a severe issue?
And for the critics out there that will see this as negative, perahps it is, however, the only way to improve is to know the issues. As mentioned many times, this has been a known issue for over a year, no matter if it is a HERE problem or not, it is MRA's name on the app, therefore, the critique must go there. It's like having issues with a vehicle purchased at a dealership - it is the dealership that you deal with when issues arrive, not directly with the manufacturer.
@GT-JWR just back from a 8 days tour in Luxemburg. I found out that when navigating offline the battery drain was less
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@GT-JWR just back from a 8 days tour in Luxemburg. I found out that when navigating offline the battery drain was less
I was surprised myself. My quadlock could keep up and most of the days I ended with more than 20% power leftwrote on 1 Jul 2024, 16:00 last edited by@Marinus-van-Deudekom I did notice that in offline mode, it was better - however, when ambient temp got up there, the comibination of battery drain and temp just didn't work, unfortunately...
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@M-Schrijver @NICK CARTHEW impossible to charge at room temperature all the time. Just finished a 10 day, 4000mi bike trip, where ambient temps were in excess of 90degF (12degC = 54degF....at those temps, I also do not have issues) for 6 of those days. With the combination of excessive battery drain by the app, and the added heat of the charging, combined with the ambient temp rendered MRA nav 100% useless, as the phone also goes into protect mode and dims the screen and it cannot be seen. It got shelved on day 3, and Scenic app took over....flawlessly, I might add.
So as @Rajp mentions, I too, am curious as to why Scenic (and Google, and Apple to name a few others), do not have such a severe issue?
And for the critics out there that will see this as negative, perahps it is, however, the only way to improve is to know the issues. As mentioned many times, this has been a known issue for over a year, no matter if it is a HERE problem or not, it is MRA's name on the app, therefore, the critique must go there. It's like having issues with a vehicle purchased at a dealership - it is the dealership that you deal with when issues arrive, not directly with the manufacturer.
wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 16:07 last edited by@GT-JWR perfectly said, of course the fan boys on here will completely disagree and say the app is perfect in every way
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@M-Schrijver @NICK CARTHEW impossible to charge at room temperature all the time. Just finished a 10 day, 4000mi bike trip, where ambient temps were in excess of 90degF (12degC = 54degF....at those temps, I also do not have issues) for 6 of those days. With the combination of excessive battery drain by the app, and the added heat of the charging, combined with the ambient temp rendered MRA nav 100% useless, as the phone also goes into protect mode and dims the screen and it cannot be seen. It got shelved on day 3, and Scenic app took over....flawlessly, I might add.
So as @Rajp mentions, I too, am curious as to why Scenic (and Google, and Apple to name a few others), do not have such a severe issue?
And for the critics out there that will see this as negative, perahps it is, however, the only way to improve is to know the issues. As mentioned many times, this has been a known issue for over a year, no matter if it is a HERE problem or not, it is MRA's name on the app, therefore, the critique must go there. It's like having issues with a vehicle purchased at a dealership - it is the dealership that you deal with when issues arrive, not directly with the manufacturer.
wrote on 1 Jul 2024, 18:01 last edited by@GT-JWR
I know it is not possible to keep your phone battery at room temperature. You need an Airco systeem for your battery for it. Just like an EV has.
It was a reaction to an argument where was said that some things will degrade your battery faster.In Scotland at low temperatures (8-16 degrees celcius) MRA worked flawless on part of battery usage.
Next weekend i will go to Germany with temperatures just above 20 degrees (Celcius). Let see how MRA wil perform there. -
@GT-JWR perfectly said, of course the fan boys on here will completely disagree and say the app is perfect in every way
@Rajp The app isn't perfect because of this.
I do believe that it nice to see how well people enjoy the app regardless of this significant flaw.The core of this issue is out of our power. We know HERE is working on significant improvements but due to the nature of the issue and the complexity of it, it takes longer than any of us hope.
Why does one app using HERE maps show this issue and others not? This has to do with the underlying development platform. Native vs cross-platform (we do the latter). Their own cross-platform demo app and HERE WeGo also show similar (terrible) battery usage.
I was in Amsterdam last week and spoke to some board members of HERE about the issue. They are very aware of this issue, unfortunately that is all I can do.
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@GT-JWR perfectly said, of course the fan boys on here will completely disagree and say the app is perfect in every way
wrote on 2 Jul 2024, 10:34 last edited by@Rajp said in Mobile Phone Battery usage - Any News??:
fan boys
I think sensible people can do without such terms easily. Save those for your facebook quarrels please.
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wrote on 9 Jul 2024, 11:19 last edited by
I was in the Harz (Germany) last weekend with temperatures between 20 and 25 degrees (C). Although there are still a lot of complaints. It seems some improvement were made.
My phone was kept at 100% battery level pretty easy and the phone temperature was also low.
In the past i had a lot more temperatures issues compared to my last two trips. All was done with the same phone. -
I was in the Harz (Germany) last weekend with temperatures between 20 and 25 degrees (C). Although there are still a lot of complaints. It seems some improvement were made.
My phone was kept at 100% battery level pretty easy and the phone temperature was also low.
In the past i had a lot more temperatures issues compared to my last two trips. All was done with the same phone.@M-Schrijver Good to read that
HERE is continuously working on improvements but the real big blow still needs to be made. Happy that some minor adjustments already have an impact. -
wrote on 10 Jul 2024, 18:16 last edited by
I have trouble understanding this Battery issue with MRA Just had a week in europe 250 to 350 mls a day and no problem with Battery on the phone lasted all day may of gone down to 40% sometimes but worked fine, been for some rides in the UK over the last couple of weeks and battery has only been lasting for 5 or 6 hrs before phone switches off it just doesn't make sense why?
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I have trouble understanding this Battery issue with MRA Just had a week in europe 250 to 350 mls a day and no problem with Battery on the phone lasted all day may of gone down to 40% sometimes but worked fine, been for some rides in the UK over the last couple of weeks and battery has only been lasting for 5 or 6 hrs before phone switches off it just doesn't make sense why?
wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 07:48 last edited by@Andrew, not everyone (not all phones) suffer from it. My CAT easily charges back to 100% during a ride, and does not get warm. I suspect a lot depends on the chipset being used.
I would avoid using wireless charging anyway. Wireless charging dissipates a lot of extra energy in the form of heat, and has way less capacity than charging by wire.
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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@Andrew, not everyone (not all phones) suffer from it. My CAT easily charges back to 100% during a ride, and does not get warm. I suspect a lot depends on the chipset being used.
I would avoid using wireless charging anyway. Wireless charging dissipates a lot of extra energy in the form of heat, and has way less capacity than charging by wire.
@Con-Hennekens said in Mobile Phone Battery usage - Any News??:
I would avoid using wireless charging anyway. Wireless charging dissipates a lot of extra energy in the form of heat, and has way less capacity than charging by wire.
Just for balance. My iPhone 11 charges to +100% on a Quadlock wireless charger without problems.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 08:17 last edited by
@Con-Hennekens
That is true. But with same phone i had lot more issues with MRA and heat on older MRA versions compared to the recent version.I recently made two trip with version 4.1.3 in range of 12-25 degrees (C). At both trips the battery remain at 100% and pretty cool.
Not as cool when using TomTom Go and using Spotify at the same time. But the gap is smaller than before.That's why i suspect. Some improvement are made.
(I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)
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@Con-Hennekens
That is true. But with same phone i had lot more issues with MRA and heat on older MRA versions compared to the recent version.I recently made two trip with version 4.1.3 in range of 12-25 degrees (C). At both trips the battery remain at 100% and pretty cool.
Not as cool when using TomTom Go and using Spotify at the same time. But the gap is smaller than before.That's why i suspect. Some improvement are made.
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wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 11:03 last edited by
I dont use wireless charging just dont understand why some day trips the phone is 100% charged and some it cuts of because it has run out of Battery.
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I dont use wireless charging just dont understand why some day trips the phone is 100% charged and some it cuts of because it has run out of Battery.
wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 11:18 last edited by@Andrew That is indeed a mystery
(I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)
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@Andrew That is indeed a mystery
wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 11:59 last edited by@M-Schrijver Tell me something I dont know.
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@Con-Hennekens
That is true. But with same phone i had lot more issues with MRA and heat on older MRA versions compared to the recent version.I recently made two trip with version 4.1.3 in range of 12-25 degrees (C). At both trips the battery remain at 100% and pretty cool.
Not as cool when using TomTom Go and using Spotify at the same time. But the gap is smaller than before.That's why i suspect. Some improvement are made.
wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 13:48 last edited by@M-Schrijver said in Mobile Phone Battery usage - Any News??:
That is true. But with same phone i had lot more issues with MRA and heat on older MRA versions compared to the recent version.
Yes but that has already been explained by Corjan's message above.
@Andrew said in Mobile Phone Battery usage - Any News??:
I dont use wireless charging just dont understand why some day trips the phone is 100% charged and some it cuts of because it has run out of Battery.
Does your phone get hot too? I can image that on some hot days while charging the temperature get's so high that the device decides to stop charging (or lower the level). But this is just a guess.
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@Con-Hennekens said in Mobile Phone Battery usage - Any News??:
I would avoid using wireless charging anyway. Wireless charging dissipates a lot of extra energy in the form of heat, and has way less capacity than charging by wire.
Just for balance. My iPhone 11 charges to +100% on a Quadlock wireless charger without problems.
wrote on 12 Jul 2024, 15:59 last edited by@Nick-Carthew @Andrew - ambient temps play a part in it as well. I live in Texas, and in my case, as long as the ambient temp is below ~80degF, not much of an issue. Now, the phone DOES get warmer than 'normal' operating conditons, so there is still an issue with the battery draw the app has. If the temp goes above 80degF, then it is a matter of shutting the app down and switching to Google Maps/Apple Maps or even Scenic...the app is 100% not useable at this point.
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