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Add option for stripping shaping points in gpx export

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  • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

    Just an idea, compare the files in an text editor to see what is different.

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    @Jörgen

    Yes, that was exactly my idea. I use MS Visual Studio Code, which has a good compare feature.
    There are a few differences between the MRA and the BC version and I'm trying to figure out which one is crucial. Unfortunately, the gpxx extensions are probably responsible for that, but they are a proprietary Garmin development and not publicly known. Most of the time you can only get to the bottom of these effects by trial and error...

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    • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

      @ConiKost

      The developers should dive into that as soon as they have time

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      @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Add option for stripping shaping points in gpx export:

      The developers should dive into that as soon as they have time

      Of course! But perhaps we can try out a few things in advance to make it easier for the developer to analyse the problem.
      This topic is a broad field and you can invest quite a lot of time in it.

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      • Martin Wilckeundefined Martin Wilcke

        Astonishing.

        Perhaps it is not due to a lack of information about the waypoints but to the definition of the route itself.

        Would you like to investigate this issue further?
        If so: I have changed the route again, it is now Version 3.
        https://hidrive.ionos.com/share/pquvtok.yw
        Can you please download it to your device?

        If there are still no ViaPoints displayed, it would be interesting to know whether they are actually there and are just not shown or whether they have been removed.

        Do you have the option on the device to
        a) load the route and display the waypoints before starting the navigation? This should then look something like this:
        Bild1.jpg

        b) start the navigation and then display the directions? Something like this:
        Bild2.jpg

        I'm curious to see if we can track down the problem 🙂

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        @Martin-Wilcke Thank you for your help. I am interested in further testing 🙂 Your number 3 test works, that all VIA points are now being shown. But the whole route is gone. The route is now point to point shown.

        MRA Route Version 3.jpg

        Unfortunately, the Montana route planer does not show the VIA points in a list as your Zumo does. This is a sutpid Garmin software decision, as the GPSMap 276Cx could do this and was based on Montana software.. the only option, where is does show VIA points like Zumo in a list, if I do transfer a route from Basecamp with "Direct Navigation". Thats the only case, where this works. You can find such example route here: clickme (This means only straight lines, no routing)

        This is can example, what I mean. It only works with my uploaded direct Route from Basecamp. Your "MRA Route Version 3", despide being direct, does not show its points, so it's apprently not detected as direct route?

        Test Direct Route.jpg

        @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA Great, many thanks. Do you want to open for that a support ticket?

        Shiny!

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          @Peter-Schiefer

          Thanks for the link, I‘ll check it out!

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            @ConiKost

            OK - here comes the next and hopefully final attempt (Version 4):
            https://hidrive.ionos.com/share/pquvtok.yw

            This version contains all the additional information from the BC file, which either has static values or can be derived relatively easily.

            I'm curious to see if it works!

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              @ConiKost

              ooops, little bug in version 4, please use version 5.

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              • Martin Wilckeundefined Martin Wilcke

                @ConiKost

                ooops, little bug in version 4, please use version 5.

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                @Peter-Schiefer Thanks, I will have a look.

                @Martin-Wilcke Thank you. I tried V5 and Unfortunately no change. Still missing VIA points.

                Shiny!

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                • ConiKostundefined ConiKost

                  @Peter-Schiefer Thanks, I will have a look.

                  @Martin-Wilcke Thank you. I tried V5 and Unfortunately no change. Still missing VIA points.

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                  @ConiKost
                  Too bad. Then the gpxx:subclasses must probably also be included, but I have no idea how the content can be determined or derived. Maybe someone else has an idea...

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                  • ConiKostundefined ConiKost

                    @Peter-Schiefer Thanks, I will have a look.

                    @Martin-Wilcke Thank you. I tried V5 and Unfortunately no change. Still missing VIA points.

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                    @ConiKost
                    I use outdoor Garmins since decades for my Moto bike Tours. Having ViaPoints part of the route is one of the most important things for my routing. With export/import of the GPX 1.2 files and recalculation set to off in the Montana 700i, the Routing works fine but the ViaPoints are missing.
                    It surely seems to have something to do with the GPXX : Subclass Tags. It would be great, if ViaPoint support for Garmin Outdoor Devices could be implemented in MRA. Until then, I will stick with Basecamp, possibly running on a virtual machine with Windows 10 or 11 in the future.

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                    • Canarioundefined Canario

                      @ConiKost
                      I use outdoor Garmins since decades for my Moto bike Tours. Having ViaPoints part of the route is one of the most important things for my routing. With export/import of the GPX 1.2 files and recalculation set to off in the Montana 700i, the Routing works fine but the ViaPoints are missing.
                      It surely seems to have something to do with the GPXX : Subclass Tags. It would be great, if ViaPoint support for Garmin Outdoor Devices could be implemented in MRA. Until then, I will stick with Basecamp, possibly running on a virtual machine with Windows 10 or 11 in the future.

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                      @Canario said in Add option for stripping shaping points in gpx export:

                      @ConiKost
                      I use outdoor Garmins since decades for my Moto bike Tours. Having ViaPoints part of the route is one of the most important things for my routing. With export/import of the GPX 1.2 files and recalculation set to off in the Montana 700i, the Routing works fine but the ViaPoints are missing.
                      It surely seems to have something to do with the GPXX : Subclass Tags. It would be great, if ViaPoint support for Garmin Outdoor Devices could be implemented in MRA. Until then, I will stick with Basecamp, possibly running on a virtual machine with Windows 10 or 11 in the future.

                      To be honest, I don't have high hopes, that this will be proper supported in future, as most of the users here uses automotive devices like Zumo/Tread. And the roadmap seems to have more important features on it's list (which I can even understand..)

                      Shiny!

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