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Add option for stripping shaping points in gpx export

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  • undefined ConiKost
    25 Apr 2024, 20:33

    All right, I did now run some tests and have so say, that I was completly wrong in my mind. The "GPX 1.2" export does work indeed. No shaping points are exported, so a route with more than 50 shaping points just works fine. The route is also correctly being shown.

    But: There seems to be an issue with Outdoor devices. All VIA points are missing and not shown. Only Start and End Point is shown, but all Via Points between are gone. This seems only be an export issue, as the VIA points are corrently shown on the MRA web route planer. I can also see those VIA points in the GPX 1.2 file, but the Montana seems just not detect them. I can reproduce that with my Montana.

    This does not happen, when using the same exported route from BaseCamp.

    I am attaching the same route

    1. Transfer with BaseCamp including Shaping Points
    2. Transfer with BaseCamp without Shaping Points
    3. Transfer GPX 1.2 from MRA to Montana

    @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA This would be an investigation worth, because if that could be fixed, we would have full support for Outdoor devices like Montana.

    The routes can be found here:
    MRA Route GPX 1.2
    BC Route with Shaping Points
    BC Route without Shaping Points

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    RouteXpert
    wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 10:06 last edited by
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    @ConiKost

    The developers should dive into that as soon as they have time

    Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
    Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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    • undefined Jörgen
      26 Apr 2024, 09:54

      Just an idea, compare the files in an text editor to see what is different.

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      Martin Wilcke
      wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 10:16 last edited by
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      @Jörgen

      Yes, that was exactly my idea. I use MS Visual Studio Code, which has a good compare feature.
      There are a few differences between the MRA and the BC version and I'm trying to figure out which one is crucial. Unfortunately, the gpxx extensions are probably responsible for that, but they are a proprietary Garmin development and not publicly known. Most of the time you can only get to the bottom of these effects by trial and error...

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      • undefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
        26 Apr 2024, 10:06

        @ConiKost

        The developers should dive into that as soon as they have time

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        Martin Wilcke
        wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 10:20 last edited by
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        @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Add option for stripping shaping points in gpx export:

        The developers should dive into that as soon as they have time

        Of course! But perhaps we can try out a few things in advance to make it easier for the developer to analyse the problem.
        This topic is a broad field and you can invest quite a lot of time in it.

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        • undefined Martin Wilcke
          26 Apr 2024, 09:25

          Astonishing.

          Perhaps it is not due to a lack of information about the waypoints but to the definition of the route itself.

          Would you like to investigate this issue further?
          If so: I have changed the route again, it is now Version 3.
          https://hidrive.ionos.com/share/pquvtok.yw
          Can you please download it to your device?

          If there are still no ViaPoints displayed, it would be interesting to know whether they are actually there and are just not shown or whether they have been removed.

          Do you have the option on the device to
          a) load the route and display the waypoints before starting the navigation? This should then look something like this:
          Bild1.jpg

          b) start the navigation and then display the directions? Something like this:
          Bild2.jpg

          I'm curious to see if we can track down the problem 🙂

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          ConiKost
          wrote on 26 Apr 2024, 17:16 last edited by ConiKost
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          @Martin-Wilcke Thank you for your help. I am interested in further testing 🙂 Your number 3 test works, that all VIA points are now being shown. But the whole route is gone. The route is now point to point shown.

          MRA Route Version 3.jpg

          Unfortunately, the Montana route planer does not show the VIA points in a list as your Zumo does. This is a sutpid Garmin software decision, as the GPSMap 276Cx could do this and was based on Montana software.. the only option, where is does show VIA points like Zumo in a list, if I do transfer a route from Basecamp with "Direct Navigation". Thats the only case, where this works. You can find such example route here: clickme (This means only straight lines, no routing)

          This is can example, what I mean. It only works with my uploaded direct Route from Basecamp. Your "MRA Route Version 3", despide being direct, does not show its points, so it's apprently not detected as direct route?

          Test Direct Route.jpg

          @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA Great, many thanks. Do you want to open for that a support ticket?

          Shiny!

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            Martin Wilcke
            wrote on 27 Apr 2024, 08:27 last edited by
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            @Peter-Schiefer

            Thanks for the link, I‘ll check it out!

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              Martin Wilcke
              wrote on 28 Apr 2024, 15:10 last edited by
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              @ConiKost

              OK - here comes the next and hopefully final attempt (Version 4):
              https://hidrive.ionos.com/share/pquvtok.yw

              This version contains all the additional information from the BC file, which either has static values or can be derived relatively easily.

              I'm curious to see if it works!

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                Martin Wilcke
                wrote on 28 Apr 2024, 15:22 last edited by
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                @ConiKost

                ooops, little bug in version 4, please use version 5.

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                • undefined Martin Wilcke
                  28 Apr 2024, 15:22

                  @ConiKost

                  ooops, little bug in version 4, please use version 5.

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                  ConiKost
                  wrote on 28 Apr 2024, 16:02 last edited by
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                  @Peter-Schiefer Thanks, I will have a look.

                  @Martin-Wilcke Thank you. I tried V5 and Unfortunately no change. Still missing VIA points.

                  Shiny!

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                  • undefined ConiKost
                    28 Apr 2024, 16:02

                    @Peter-Schiefer Thanks, I will have a look.

                    @Martin-Wilcke Thank you. I tried V5 and Unfortunately no change. Still missing VIA points.

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                    Martin Wilcke
                    wrote on 28 Apr 2024, 16:15 last edited by
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                    @ConiKost
                    Too bad. Then the gpxx:subclasses must probably also be included, but I have no idea how the content can be determined or derived. Maybe someone else has an idea...

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                    • undefined ConiKost
                      28 Apr 2024, 16:02

                      @Peter-Schiefer Thanks, I will have a look.

                      @Martin-Wilcke Thank you. I tried V5 and Unfortunately no change. Still missing VIA points.

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                      Canario
                      wrote on 15 Mar 2025, 10:36 last edited by
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                      @ConiKost
                      I use outdoor Garmins since decades for my Moto bike Tours. Having ViaPoints part of the route is one of the most important things for my routing. With export/import of the GPX 1.2 files and recalculation set to off in the Montana 700i, the Routing works fine but the ViaPoints are missing.
                      It surely seems to have something to do with the GPXX : Subclass Tags. It would be great, if ViaPoint support for Garmin Outdoor Devices could be implemented in MRA. Until then, I will stick with Basecamp, possibly running on a virtual machine with Windows 10 or 11 in the future.

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                      • undefined Canario
                        15 Mar 2025, 10:36

                        @ConiKost
                        I use outdoor Garmins since decades for my Moto bike Tours. Having ViaPoints part of the route is one of the most important things for my routing. With export/import of the GPX 1.2 files and recalculation set to off in the Montana 700i, the Routing works fine but the ViaPoints are missing.
                        It surely seems to have something to do with the GPXX : Subclass Tags. It would be great, if ViaPoint support for Garmin Outdoor Devices could be implemented in MRA. Until then, I will stick with Basecamp, possibly running on a virtual machine with Windows 10 or 11 in the future.

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                        wrote on 16 Mar 2025, 15:24 last edited by
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                        @Canario said in Add option for stripping shaping points in gpx export:

                        @ConiKost
                        I use outdoor Garmins since decades for my Moto bike Tours. Having ViaPoints part of the route is one of the most important things for my routing. With export/import of the GPX 1.2 files and recalculation set to off in the Montana 700i, the Routing works fine but the ViaPoints are missing.
                        It surely seems to have something to do with the GPXX : Subclass Tags. It would be great, if ViaPoint support for Garmin Outdoor Devices could be implemented in MRA. Until then, I will stick with Basecamp, possibly running on a virtual machine with Windows 10 or 11 in the future.

                        To be honest, I don't have high hopes, that this will be proper supported in future, as most of the users here uses automotive devices like Zumo/Tread. And the roadmap seems to have more important features on it's list (which I can even understand..)

                        Shiny!

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