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    Gerard Wullink
    wrote on 1 Aug 2023, 20:05 last edited by
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    We plan routes for members of our MC and hand them some documentation regarding the route: places where you can shorten the route etc. I know this can be done by adding info to the via-points, but not all gps devices do understand this format and some even give a failure at import.

    It would be handy to have a clean overview of the route, but the route in editmode shows al the shaping- and via-points which makes it less readable.

    Suggested improvent: Add a possibility to suppres the shaping-points (only these, not the vai-points!) to get a clean view of all the important point on the map.2023-08-01_22h00_53.jpg

    In the picture are two via-points in red which are hardly visible.

    Tip: In the pdf export a picture is created which only shows Start and Finish point, so there seems to be a bit code available, but taht is low-res and not showing the via-points (hard-points)
    2023-08-01_22h04_37.jpg

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      1 Aug 2023, 20:05

      We plan routes for members of our MC and hand them some documentation regarding the route: places where you can shorten the route etc. I know this can be done by adding info to the via-points, but not all gps devices do understand this format and some even give a failure at import.

      It would be handy to have a clean overview of the route, but the route in editmode shows al the shaping- and via-points which makes it less readable.

      Suggested improvent: Add a possibility to suppres the shaping-points (only these, not the vai-points!) to get a clean view of all the important point on the map.2023-08-01_22h00_53.jpg

      In the picture are two via-points in red which are hardly visible.

      Tip: In the pdf export a picture is created which only shows Start and Finish point, so there seems to be a bit code available, but taht is low-res and not showing the via-points (hard-points)
      2023-08-01_22h04_37.jpg

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      Nick Carthew
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      wrote on 1 Aug 2023, 20:30 last edited by
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      @Gerard-Wullink Why do you need so many route points?

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        1 Aug 2023, 20:30

        @Gerard-Wullink Why do you need so many route points?

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        Jörgen
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        wrote on 1 Aug 2023, 22:51 last edited by
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        @Nick-Carthew said in MRA Routeplanner Improvement: suppress viapoints:

        @Gerard-Wullink Why do you need so many route points?

        That was also my first question. A third or less will do it.

        But I agree to the idea to switch off waypoints just to make the route more or better visible.

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          1 Aug 2023, 22:51

          @Nick-Carthew said in MRA Routeplanner Improvement: suppress viapoints:

          @Gerard-Wullink Why do you need so many route points?

          That was also my first question. A third or less will do it.

          But I agree to the idea to switch off waypoints just to make the route more or better visible.

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          Drabslab
          wrote on 2 Aug 2023, 07:34 last edited by
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          @Jörgen said in MRA Routeplanner Improvement: suppress viapoints:

          But I agree to the idea to switch off waypoints just to make the route more or better visible

          Similar to a conversation in another post on yellow track line vs visibility of the blue route line, the via points should always be shown on top of the shaping points, and not be hidden under them.

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            1 Aug 2023, 20:05

            We plan routes for members of our MC and hand them some documentation regarding the route: places where you can shorten the route etc. I know this can be done by adding info to the via-points, but not all gps devices do understand this format and some even give a failure at import.

            It would be handy to have a clean overview of the route, but the route in editmode shows al the shaping- and via-points which makes it less readable.

            Suggested improvent: Add a possibility to suppres the shaping-points (only these, not the vai-points!) to get a clean view of all the important point on the map.2023-08-01_22h00_53.jpg

            In the picture are two via-points in red which are hardly visible.

            Tip: In the pdf export a picture is created which only shows Start and Finish point, so there seems to be a bit code available, but taht is low-res and not showing the via-points (hard-points)
            2023-08-01_22h04_37.jpg

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            Bart De Medts
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            wrote on 2 Aug 2023, 07:37 last edited by
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            @Gerard-Wullink Maybe it would help you to make a track of the route? This will give you a better overview of the route.

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              2 Aug 2023, 07:37

              @Gerard-Wullink Maybe it would help you to make a track of the route? This will give you a better overview of the route.

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              Jack van Tilburg
              wrote on 2 Aug 2023, 07:40 last edited by
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              @Bart-DM but you can't edit it and that's what this is about

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                2 Aug 2023, 07:40

                @Bart-DM but you can't edit it and that's what this is about

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                Bart De Medts
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                wrote on 2 Aug 2023, 08:19 last edited by
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                @Jack-van-Tilburg yes I know, it was just a suggestion to get a better overall view of the route 😀.

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                  2 Aug 2023, 07:37

                  @Gerard-Wullink Maybe it would help you to make a track of the route? This will give you a better overview of the route.

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                  Gerard Wullink
                  wrote on 3 Aug 2023, 12:29 last edited by Gerard Wullink 8 Mar 2023, 12:30
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                  @Bart-DM We mostly start by genarting a gpx-track which we import (from a magazine, a track genarator (MRA, Kurviger, TomTom etc).

                  This is than converted to a route on OSM. We check the route against HERE and TomTom and add points to make the route 100% same for all systems. Now you

                  In this example I used the function Increase points to test that. It is a bit much, I agree.

                  But it may be oldschool, but after every turn we place a viapoint to make sure that even someone who has selected something else as fastest of shortest as his favorite routecalculation, go the way we planned. That requires some more points to be on the safe side.

                  TomTom has the behaviour to cut corners in villages (riding through living area's) whereas Garmin uses the crossing in center-village to make the turn.

                  We had compliments from users that the routes are not different anymore. So that works.

                  Exporting the track would mean I have to import it again. A track does not show the must-visit/hard points or does it?

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                    3 Aug 2023, 12:29

                    @Bart-DM We mostly start by genarting a gpx-track which we import (from a magazine, a track genarator (MRA, Kurviger, TomTom etc).

                    This is than converted to a route on OSM. We check the route against HERE and TomTom and add points to make the route 100% same for all systems. Now you

                    In this example I used the function Increase points to test that. It is a bit much, I agree.

                    But it may be oldschool, but after every turn we place a viapoint to make sure that even someone who has selected something else as fastest of shortest as his favorite routecalculation, go the way we planned. That requires some more points to be on the safe side.

                    TomTom has the behaviour to cut corners in villages (riding through living area's) whereas Garmin uses the crossing in center-village to make the turn.

                    We had compliments from users that the routes are not different anymore. So that works.

                    Exporting the track would mean I have to import it again. A track does not show the must-visit/hard points or does it?

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                    Jack van Tilburg
                    wrote on 3 Aug 2023, 12:47 last edited by Jack van Tilburg 8 Mar 2023, 12:48
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                    @Gerard-Wullink said in MRA Routeplanner Improvement: suppress viapoints:

                    But it may be oldschool

                    I'm old school! And fully understand your working method. Especially if you share the routes with several participants.
                    At the same time, you can use the "Compare" function (and you do) to see whether there are unnecessary routepoints in your route.
                    Less is okay, but too little is not 🙂 .

                    And I fully sympathize with your proposal to a possibility to suppress the shaping-points.
                    Kudos to you!

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                      3 Aug 2023, 12:47

                      @Gerard-Wullink said in MRA Routeplanner Improvement: suppress viapoints:

                      But it may be oldschool

                      I'm old school! And fully understand your working method. Especially if you share the routes with several participants.
                      At the same time, you can use the "Compare" function (and you do) to see whether there are unnecessary routepoints in your route.
                      Less is okay, but too little is not 🙂 .

                      And I fully sympathize with your proposal to a possibility to suppress the shaping-points.
                      Kudos to you!

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                      Gerard Wullink
                      wrote on 4 Aug 2023, 18:00 last edited by
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                      @Jack-van-Tilburg Thanx! I will try to use less points, there is a good reason for that.

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