The compas direction on the elevation circle is wrong

[LennyO]

@Con-Hennekens Hi, Con!
Like I said above, I really did not want to continue on this, but out of respect to you and others who provide so much help here (no matter if we agree or disagree on some points), I will say this:

Considering how you describe the intent of the functionality in question, I would venture to say that the whole implementation is then flawed...
Let me explain.
(please, forget everything you know about it and look at it thru the mind of a new user)

1. You are correct, the Compass should not be the Title if it as it has NOTHING to do with anything that Compass does. This sets the wrong expectation righ off the bet.

2. The Symbol that looks like a Compass should not be used, because it (as you have mentioned) has NOTHING to do with anything that Compass does or how it works.

3. When anyone reads a word "North", how can it be expected that anything other than a True / Magnetic North and/or cardinals on a Compass would pop in one's mind???

Now we have 2 strikes: words "Compass" + "North", so this "obviously" must have to do with Cardinals on Compass, no?

4. What would a person think of when he/she reads "North up"?
   I say that whatever he/she is looking at is oriented so, that the cardinal North is UP, meaning the top of the screen, no?
   Further it states : "When the camera is in this mode, north will alllways be up" then it is reasonable to expect that on the screen with a route the "North up" configuration the North should be UP, meaning on top of the screesn, no? What other "UP" could be implied... the sky?

5. In Dynamic mode however, the Compass Symbol disappears and a Blue triangle appears AND it spins as you move, just LIKE A COMPASS.....

So, now add the Red segment on the elevation circle to the mix and it becomes blantantly clear that when one needs to simply know in which direction the nose is pointing, is it impossible without doing the mental acrobatics because the compass is not really a Compass, the North is not really North, the map orientation in "North will be always UP" is not really that either.....
And all that is happening when you are in traffic, riding and should be spending your mental focus on the road and safety... NOT trying to interpret what was meant vs how it really is or whatever else...

So, I think it is pretty clear that this needs attention.
And the fact that this Topic has many posts only proves that there is ambiguity to address.

To everyone and anyone who reads this - In case my logic and my view is not correct, please provide your counter arguments.
We all are after one and same goal - to make the Nav App better for all of us!

P.S.
I love MRA, and as a Road Captain of our local BMW club (240+ members), I use it all the time and love planning the Routes on it. For a while I have been trying to move away from my Garmin XT and lean on the MRA Nav more and more, thus encountering question and issues.
Because I am so impressed with the product, I give classes to our Club members and also at the Rally that we hold with 250+ members and guests from all over, trying to promote MRA.
A dozen of Club members already have become Gold level subscribers.
Because I am impressed with it, I have a Gold lifetime membership myself and invested time and effort to become a Route Expert (level 3 now) and will continue going thru the ranks.

So, on this Forum I represent not only my own voice but my Club members as well, who channel every question and issue thru me.
I am just saying that there are many more people who are having issues than we see here on the Forum, but they are silent for a variety of reasons.

Salute!

[Con Hennekens]

@lennyo , I am sorry, let's agree to disagree on this specific subject. To me (with our without knowledge) the North on a map (or camera view) will never be confused with the North as a heading. To be brutally honest, the subject in my opinion is not worth so many words. That being said, I have no doubt that devs will take the many suggestions from everyone in this thread into consideration. I will not further repeat myself. Luckily we agree on many other subjects Let's cherish that!

[Ioan Dragulescu]

I've read this whole thread about 3 times now, because I was trying to understand what the problem is, and it took me a while.

As far as I know, this is how maps have always worked, digital or analogue. Take a paper map, that has north marked on it, place a compass on top of it and start rotating. The compass North will obviously not coincide with the north of the map while you look at it and from your perspective the map's north will always be up as you hold it and look at it.

So how can the camera map view setting that is called North up can possible have any other meaning?

That being said I agree that the suggestions people made in previous posts about the UI can only help and by that I mean having the cardinal points being shown on the compass wheel or having the traveling direction written on top or below, in typical fashion, NNW, SSE and so on.