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  • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

    @Con-Hennekens said in Battery drain:

    I suspect mainly higher-end phones suffer more

    Hai Con,

    My phone is not a high end phone. Its a simple Samsung A-32.

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    @Drabslab, Okay, good to know. So there must be other factors in play.

    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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    • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

      @Drabslab, Okay, good to know. So there must be other factors in play.

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      I might be wrong but understand that a few weeks ago there were a number of days planned together with Here people to invest and hopefully solve the battery drain issue. Does anybody know the results because I haven't seen any information yet.

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      • Arno 0undefined Arno 0

        I might be wrong but understand that a few weeks ago there were a number of days planned together with Here people to invest and hopefully solve the battery drain issue. Does anybody know the results because I haven't seen any information yet.

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        @Arno-0 they are working on it and we have reported further feedback and provided more information. Is it painstaking? Yes. Am I doing everything in my power? Yes. ๐Ÿ™‚

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        • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

          @Arno-0 they are working on it and we have reported further feedback and provided more information. Is it painstaking? Yes. Am I doing everything in my power? Yes. ๐Ÿ™‚

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          @Corjan-Meijerink Thanks for the update. I'm convinced that you do everything that is possible to solve this issue but waiting is always difficult ๐Ÿ˜‰

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          • Andrewundefined Andrew

            @GT-JWR Had the same problem yesterday with a 300ml route phone was on 100%Charge at start plugged into power on the bike, only lasted for about 130mls before it switched itself of as it was flat.

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            @Andrew Have found information on line when a phone gets down to a certain cold temperature it will stop charging to protect the Battery. Here in England I was out in 8 deg Celsius so the wind chill factor would of been a lot colder as phone is out in the open on a mount, am wondering if this is some of the problem along with excessive Battery Drain.

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              @Andrew Have found information on line when a phone gets down to a certain cold temperature it will stop charging to protect the Battery. Here in England I was out in 8 deg Celsius so the wind chill factor would of been a lot colder as phone is out in the open on a mount, am wondering if this is some of the problem along with excessive Battery Drain.

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              @Andrew, I cannot speak from experience, but I think that chance is very small. For most people the heat due to the drain alone would be enough to keep the battery temperature in the charging window.

              Is that really a thing for phones? I heard likewise for electric vehicle below minus 20 degrees Celsius, but never for a phone...

              I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

              Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

              Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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              • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                @Andrew, I cannot speak from experience, but I think that chance is very small. For most people the heat due to the drain alone would be enough to keep the battery temperature in the charging window.

                Is that really a thing for phones? I heard likewise for electric vehicle below minus 20 degrees Celsius, but never for a phone...

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                @Con-Hennekens said in Battery drain:

                I heard likewise for electric vehicle below minus 20 degrees Celsius, but never for a phone

                A battery does not know where it is installed, but does in all cases react to temperature. For phones this is usually not a problem because we usually carry it in our pocket and we act as heating system.

                It also depends on the chemical composition of the battery, some are more impacted by cold or heat than other types.

                It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

                  @Con-Hennekens said in Battery drain:

                  I heard likewise for electric vehicle below minus 20 degrees Celsius, but never for a phone

                  A battery does not know where it is installed, but does in all cases react to temperature. For phones this is usually not a problem because we usually carry it in our pocket and we act as heating system.

                  It also depends on the chemical composition of the battery, some are more impacted by cold or heat than other types.

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                  @Drabslab, True of course, but also dependant on the implemented systems. For an EV in northern Norway it can be meaningful to limit chargeing below certain temperatures. Also they can have electrical warming available for rising the temperature of the battery before charging. For a phone battery it seems not very likely to have implemented lower temperature limits.

                  Anyway, if my car refuses to charge underway, I would very much like to be able to call someone... ๐Ÿ˜‰

                  I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                  Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                  Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                  • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                    @Drabslab, True of course, but also dependant on the implemented systems. For an EV in northern Norway it can be meaningful to limit chargeing below certain temperatures. Also they can have electrical warming available for rising the temperature of the battery before charging. For a phone battery it seems not very likely to have implemented lower temperature limits.

                    Anyway, if my car refuses to charge underway, I would very much like to be able to call someone... ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                    @Con-Hennekens said in Battery drain:

                    Also they can have electrical warming available for rising the temperature of the battery before charging.

                    This would not be a complete novelty.

                    In very cold area's they used to have electrical heating installed in the oil can of cars to keep the oil warm when being parked;

                    and there are systems working on diesel to heat up the water of engines (and the interior of the cars for the same purpose.

                    However, the battery technology is still evolving at huge speed. A company is now claiming they have an optimised chemistry allowing very fast charging and not having any influence of temperature.

                    Internal combustion engines have evolved over 100+? years and have only achieved a 25% efficiency.

                    Battery electrical vehicles, after a few decades of development are already beating those ICE cars in many aspects (efficiency 95%, unreal acceleration, low maintenance ...) and work is being done to overcome the weaknesses.

                    It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                    • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                      @Drabslab, True of course, but also dependant on the implemented systems. For an EV in northern Norway it can be meaningful to limit chargeing below certain temperatures. Also they can have electrical warming available for rising the temperature of the battery before charging. For a phone battery it seems not very likely to have implemented lower temperature limits.

                      Anyway, if my car refuses to charge underway, I would very much like to be able to call someone... ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                      @Con-Hennekens said in Battery drain:

                      For a phone battery it seems not very likely to have implemented lower temperature limits.

                      its a question of the battery internal chemistry mainly.

                      It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                      • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

                        @Con-Hennekens said in Battery drain:

                        Also they can have electrical warming available for rising the temperature of the battery before charging.

                        This would not be a complete novelty.

                        In very cold area's they used to have electrical heating installed in the oil can of cars to keep the oil warm when being parked;

                        and there are systems working on diesel to heat up the water of engines (and the interior of the cars for the same purpose.

                        However, the battery technology is still evolving at huge speed. A company is now claiming they have an optimised chemistry allowing very fast charging and not having any influence of temperature.

                        Internal combustion engines have evolved over 100+? years and have only achieved a 25% efficiency.

                        Battery electrical vehicles, after a few decades of development are already beating those ICE cars in many aspects (efficiency 95%, unreal acceleration, low maintenance ...) and work is being done to overcome the weaknesses.

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                        @Drabslab, haha, I completely agree with all of that, and as far as I know heating of batteries in EV is already a thing in some EVs. I am all for EV, and in due time also for motorbikes. But let's not wake the anti-everything-movement and pollute our nice forum with it.

                        I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                        Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                          My experience is that using dark mode and slightly dimming the screen solves the battery drainage issue. It's an illusion to think that you can drive for hours with any navigation without needing some charger. That's just not realistic, and such technology hasnโ€™t been invented yet. The problem, as I see it, is actually quite simple. HERE has decided to use a lot of white in their display, which particularly burdens phones with large, bright screens. Other apps are not so "white" and consume less energy to illuminate the screen. I would say that some designer is to blame here, rather than the developers themselves. The developers probably did as they were instructed. And now it turns out that some low-resolution, dimly lit, small-screened โ€œshitphoneโ€ performs better than top-of-the-line phones. Maybe I'm wrong, because it surprises me that nobody else has noticed this "whiteness". If I'm on the right track, and the folks at HERE havenโ€™t noticed this design flaw... well, it wonโ€™t cost them much, Iโ€™ll drink a beer on their tab. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                          • Mario Ivancicundefined Mario Ivancic

                            My experience is that using dark mode and slightly dimming the screen solves the battery drainage issue. It's an illusion to think that you can drive for hours with any navigation without needing some charger. That's just not realistic, and such technology hasnโ€™t been invented yet. The problem, as I see it, is actually quite simple. HERE has decided to use a lot of white in their display, which particularly burdens phones with large, bright screens. Other apps are not so "white" and consume less energy to illuminate the screen. I would say that some designer is to blame here, rather than the developers themselves. The developers probably did as they were instructed. And now it turns out that some low-resolution, dimly lit, small-screened โ€œshitphoneโ€ performs better than top-of-the-line phones. Maybe I'm wrong, because it surprises me that nobody else has noticed this "whiteness". If I'm on the right track, and the folks at HERE havenโ€™t noticed this design flaw... well, it wonโ€™t cost them much, Iโ€™ll drink a beer on their tab. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                            @Mario-Ivancic, your colorful opinion does not explain why for example the equally white Google Maps app does not suffer from the drain... ๐Ÿ˜‰ It has already been established that the rendering engine is the SDK is to blame. Whether a dark theme helps or not is dependant on the type of screen you have in your phone.

                            Also the issue is not about draining the battery in hours, but draining the battery in hours DESPITE being charged simultaneously.

                            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                            • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                              @Mario-Ivancic, your colorful opinion does not explain why for example the equally white Google Maps app does not suffer from the drain... ๐Ÿ˜‰ It has already been established that the rendering engine is the SDK is to blame. Whether a dark theme helps or not is dependant on the type of screen you have in your phone.

                              Also the issue is not about draining the battery in hours, but draining the battery in hours DESPITE being charged simultaneously.

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                              @Con-Hennekens
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                              Well, at least to me, Google Maps seems darker. This is probably due to my professional bias since I work with printers and printer applications. Without actually testing the darkness level of both examples (yes i have tools for that), I would say, just by looking, that Google Maps is darker and would use more toner if printed in the same format. (Toner's like cash, so the darker sometnihg is, the more it itches me. ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

                              In any case, using a darker background will undoubtedly result in energy savings. Just like dark mode solves the problem for me.

                              Clearly, optimizing the code itself can't hurt. But changing to darker colors is a relatively simple solution. And can make some savings on energy that screen uses, for sure.

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                              • Mario Ivancicundefined Mario Ivancic

                                @Con-Hennekens
                                Comparation.jpg
                                Well, at least to me, Google Maps seems darker. This is probably due to my professional bias since I work with printers and printer applications. Without actually testing the darkness level of both examples (yes i have tools for that), I would say, just by looking, that Google Maps is darker and would use more toner if printed in the same format. (Toner's like cash, so the darker sometnihg is, the more it itches me. ๐Ÿ˜‰ )

                                In any case, using a darker background will undoubtedly result in energy savings. Just like dark mode solves the problem for me.

                                Clearly, optimizing the code itself can't hurt. But changing to darker colors is a relatively simple solution. And can make some savings on energy that screen uses, for sure.

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                                @Mario-Ivancic said in Battery drain:

                                But changing to darker colors is a relatively simple solution. And can make some savings on energy that screen uses, for sure.

                                I am not denying that, it is just no solution for the battery drain due to a bug in the rendering engine. I'd say it is small beer compared to that ๐Ÿ˜‰

                                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

                                  Yes, i know.
                                  But i've noticed something.
                                  When you follow the route exactly as planned in advance. And because of this no recalculation are needed. The battery usage is almost on par with other apps like Google maps, Waze or TomTom Go.

                                  But when you have a bad route which needs multiple recalculations especially within in few kilometers. The juice is sucked out of the battery very quickly.
                                  The other day i went from 90 to 80% in two hours. I had 2 recalculations in this time. Then i went from 80 to 50% in 30 min. In this period i had multiple recalculations in a small area (roads closed, wrong roads, etc).
                                  The last part was 1 hour with one recalculation and went from 50 to 44%

                                  My first route this year was a very well known route (for me). The route was therefore exact. It is a 4 hour ride. No recalculations needed. I went from 100% to 95% in 4 hours. Still a bit high consumption but no problem for a riding a whole day.

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                                  @M-Schrijver this definitely does not affect my phone...it is a pig on drain on the most meticulously planned route (no alterations, no recalcs, followed to a 'T') as it is with a simple A-B route planned last minute with mulitple detours. And now that the ambietn temp outside (Texas) is getting very spring/summer like, it is even worse - screen becomes so dim (yes, brightness, etc, all the way up), it is virtually illegible to see, making using the app a waste of time. Very frustrating.

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                                  • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                                    @Mario-Ivancic said in Battery drain:

                                    But changing to darker colors is a relatively simple solution. And can make some savings on energy that screen uses, for sure.

                                    I am not denying that, it is just no solution for the battery drain due to a bug in the rendering engine. I'd say it is small beer compared to that ๐Ÿ˜‰

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                                    @Con-Hennekens said in Battery drain:

                                    small beer compared to that

                                    even a small beer is still a a beer ๐Ÿ™‚

                                    Point remains that this should be solved urgently as it affects many users, and leads to negative publicity for the tool.

                                    It is not difficult, it is easy, it's a hobby

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                                    • Drabslabundefined Drabslab

                                      @Con-Hennekens said in Battery drain:

                                      small beer compared to that

                                      even a small beer is still a a beer ๐Ÿ™‚

                                      Point remains that this should be solved urgently as it affects many users, and leads to negative publicity for the tool.

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                                      @Drabslab, Yes, I think we agree on that!

                                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                        Went out on my bike yesterday with AA Carplay for a 240 ml run when I came back the phone still had a 99% charge well pleased with that, hope this continues. And the app know has not dropped out for the last 3 times I have used it.๐Ÿ‘ ๐Ÿ‘

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                                          Not sure if it's related but I can't follow a route for more than about 2 hours before my iphone overheats and won't display anything in the car. I'm using wired car play so the phone is charging at the same time so I don't have battery drain but I suspect the app is causing pushing the hardware (v4.1.2-302).

                                          Obviously it makes the app pretty useful for any journey > 2 hours. I don't have this problem with inRoute, Apple or Google maps.

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