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  • Tim  Thompsonundefined Offline
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    More looks at the competition etc...

    Route list in MRA Navigation... either via Route planning or Navigation and tracking/Routes...

    There is no sorting available. It only displays the last route open at the top. Scenic allows you to sort this via name, date, distance.

    MRA Navigation Route list also doesn't appear to do folders.

    Looking at the new MRA Mobile... It's route list is sortable, but only by name - which is too limited. It also does folders.

    The main menu of MRA Mobile also brings up another point... What's the word I'm looking for here... Bifurcation? Anyway... You have a Route Lab button on the main menu that takes you to the web based route lab which offers the same menu options that are on the main menu of MRA Mobile. What's the point of this?

    In fact, all things in the MRA Mobile menus seem to lead you back to the web based version (Edit for example). This is fine I guess if the everything you need on the web based version works/displays well on a mobile device (don't bother trying to look at a route in landscape). Another note... the progress bar doesn't seem to display in portrait mode.

    I've already mentioned somewhere that when you are taken to the web based display of the routes via MRA Mobile that the spawned browser doesn't seem to have location access permissions and there doesn't seem to be a way to grant those permission. So, this makes the current usability of the MRA Mobile app more limited (beyond off road navigation - bike trails, hiking maybe - it seems to have no value). You are better off just opening your browser - which you can give location permissions to - and going directly to the MRA website to do things like route editing etc.

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    • Tim  Thompsonundefined Tim Thompson

      More looks at the competition etc...

      Route list in MRA Navigation... either via Route planning or Navigation and tracking/Routes...

      There is no sorting available. It only displays the last route open at the top. Scenic allows you to sort this via name, date, distance.

      MRA Navigation Route list also doesn't appear to do folders.

      Looking at the new MRA Mobile... It's route list is sortable, but only by name - which is too limited. It also does folders.

      The main menu of MRA Mobile also brings up another point... What's the word I'm looking for here... Bifurcation? Anyway... You have a Route Lab button on the main menu that takes you to the web based route lab which offers the same menu options that are on the main menu of MRA Mobile. What's the point of this?

      In fact, all things in the MRA Mobile menus seem to lead you back to the web based version (Edit for example). This is fine I guess if the everything you need on the web based version works/displays well on a mobile device (don't bother trying to look at a route in landscape). Another note... the progress bar doesn't seem to display in portrait mode.

      I've already mentioned somewhere that when you are taken to the web based display of the routes via MRA Mobile that the spawned browser doesn't seem to have location access permissions and there doesn't seem to be a way to grant those permission. So, this makes the current usability of the MRA Mobile app more limited (beyond off road navigation - bike trails, hiking maybe - it seems to have no value). You are better off just opening your browser - which you can give location permissions to - and going directly to the MRA website to do things like route editing etc.

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      @Tim-Thompson said in Suggestions:

      Looking at the new MRA Mobile... It's route list is sortable, but only by name - which is too limited. It also does folders.

      Folders and routes can also be sorted by time.

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      • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

        @Tim-Thompson said in Suggestions:

        Looking at the new MRA Mobile... It's route list is sortable, but only by name - which is too limited. It also does folders.

        Folders and routes can also be sorted by time.

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        @Nick-Carthew said in Suggestions:

        @Tim-Thompson said in Suggestions:

        Looking at the new MRA Mobile... It's route list is sortable, but only by name - which is too limited. It also does folders.

        Folders and routes can also be sorted by time.

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        Thanks for the tip. Didn't notice that you had to click on the AZ to get it to switch to the clock.

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        I was only clicking on the down/up arrow. For whatever reason clicking on the AZ wasn't obvious to me.

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        • Tim  Thompsonundefined Tim Thompson

          @Nick-Carthew said in Suggestions:

          @Tim-Thompson said in Suggestions:

          Looking at the new MRA Mobile... It's route list is sortable, but only by name - which is too limited. It also does folders.

          Folders and routes can also be sorted by time.

          F4F50FDA-A850-4A81-9AF5-71F5CAA99D43.jpeg

          Thanks for the tip. Didn't notice that you had to click on the AZ to get it to switch to the clock.

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          I was only clicking on the down/up arrow. For whatever reason clicking on the AZ wasn't obvious to me.

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          @Tim-Thompson I totally get why you missed that. The UX regarding this component does need some improvements 🙂

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          • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

            @Tim-Thompson I totally get why you missed that. The UX regarding this component does need some improvements 🙂

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            @Corjan-Meijerink said in Suggestions:

            @Tim-Thompson I totally get why you missed that. The UX regarding this component does need some improvements 🙂

            👍

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              #37

              Continuing on with my previous exercise (perhaps up until the wife catches me).

              Scenic can display both speed and elevation profiles. MRA Navigation can do neither. I don't know if the speed profile in Scenic is based on track data or speed limit data in the base map (might be nice to be able to select either).

              Search: Scenic will search via multiple sources (Google Maps, Apple Maps and OpenStreetMaps) within a 10km radius (presume it's miles if this unit is selected) and display a list of results. MRA Navigation will do the same (although it's mechanized differently). What are MRA Navigation sources? Anyway... Here's were Scenic takes it further... When you search via POI categories (say Gas or Fuel for example) Scenic will produce list results sorted by distance - as does MRA Navigation. But Scenic also provides a button that will show the search results on the current map. This would be super handy. It's easier to pick what might be the best POI to choose (say gas station for example) based on seeing where the POIs are on the map vs. picking one from a list. I guess the only way to accomplish something similar in MRA is to get out of Navigation and open up the web based route planner via a browser. You would have to modify the route there (if you wanted to add a POI as a waypoint to a route), and then go back into Navigation to see the change. I don't suppose you will be doing any of this if you don't have an internet connection.

              What about MRA Mobile? Well I understand it's a fledgling work in progress. At the moment it has a simple search that produces list results (presumably sorted by distance). You can create a quick route to a search result in the list and that seems to be about it. Anything beyond that and you got to go into the web based route planner.

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              • Tim  Thompsonundefined Tim Thompson

                Continuing on with my previous exercise (perhaps up until the wife catches me).

                Scenic can display both speed and elevation profiles. MRA Navigation can do neither. I don't know if the speed profile in Scenic is based on track data or speed limit data in the base map (might be nice to be able to select either).

                Search: Scenic will search via multiple sources (Google Maps, Apple Maps and OpenStreetMaps) within a 10km radius (presume it's miles if this unit is selected) and display a list of results. MRA Navigation will do the same (although it's mechanized differently). What are MRA Navigation sources? Anyway... Here's were Scenic takes it further... When you search via POI categories (say Gas or Fuel for example) Scenic will produce list results sorted by distance - as does MRA Navigation. But Scenic also provides a button that will show the search results on the current map. This would be super handy. It's easier to pick what might be the best POI to choose (say gas station for example) based on seeing where the POIs are on the map vs. picking one from a list. I guess the only way to accomplish something similar in MRA is to get out of Navigation and open up the web based route planner via a browser. You would have to modify the route there (if you wanted to add a POI as a waypoint to a route), and then go back into Navigation to see the change. I don't suppose you will be doing any of this if you don't have an internet connection.

                What about MRA Mobile? Well I understand it's a fledgling work in progress. At the moment it has a simple search that produces list results (presumably sorted by distance). You can create a quick route to a search result in the list and that seems to be about it. Anything beyond that and you got to go into the web based route planner.

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                Corjan Meijerink
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                wrote on last edited by Corjan Meijerink
                #38

                @Tim-Thompson That indeed is definitely something we wish to implement! Thanks for sharing your input 🙂

                With our search functionality you can now quickly search MRA favorites / routes / tracks and general adresses / locations. They are indeed sorted by distance from your current location.

                It would be very nice to extend this feature a lot!

                Edit: When selecting a location we generate an A - B for which you can select the curviness. We actually hope to implement a feature to add stops in between so you can go A - B - C. View our Navigation next roadmap for planning regarding the route-generator or route editor within the app.

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                • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                  @Tim-Thompson That indeed is definitely something we wish to implement! Thanks for sharing your input 🙂

                  With our search functionality you can now quickly search MRA favorites / routes / tracks and general adresses / locations. They are indeed sorted by distance from your current location.

                  It would be very nice to extend this feature a lot!

                  Edit: When selecting a location we generate an A - B for which you can select the curviness. We actually hope to implement a feature to add stops in between so you can go A - B - C. View our Navigation next roadmap for planning regarding the route-generator or route editor within the app.

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                  @Corjan-Meijerink said in Suggestions:

                  Edit: When selecting a location we generate an A - B for which you can select the curviness. We actually hope to implement a feature to add stops in between so you can go A - B - C. View our Navigation next roadmap for planning regarding the route-generator or route editor within the app.

                  I don't see that capability in either MRA Navigation or Mobile. It appears the closest you can come to accessing this feature is on the web based Route Lab accessed via a browser. However, on a mobile (Android), you don't get the "Create a scenic route" dialog when you go to the Route Lab. So, it doesn't appear you can do this on a mobile device. Did I miss something?

                  Now generating a Roundtour is something you can do on the mobile, but only via MRA Mobile or accessing the Route Lab on a mobile browser. You can't do this in MRA Navigation.

                  Edit:

                  I do note that if you select OpenStreeMaps you can go to the Toolkit and select Curves in the Routing Options. This appears to be a silver subscription feature (I don't have that) and I don't see any information on it in the documentation - so I can't see how it really works. Since I generally have it set to HERE maps, I didn't see this.

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                    Another comment about sorting route list...

                    If you are looking at the route list on the web based Route Lab (on your mobile device via a browser), your sorting is limited. In portrait view, you only have access to sort by name because this is the only option that is in view. Rotating to landscape gives you access to Type, Privacy, and Changed. Distance and Duration are still cut off and appear inaccessible.

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                    • Tim  Thompsonundefined Tim Thompson

                      @Corjan-Meijerink said in Suggestions:

                      Edit: When selecting a location we generate an A - B for which you can select the curviness. We actually hope to implement a feature to add stops in between so you can go A - B - C. View our Navigation next roadmap for planning regarding the route-generator or route editor within the app.

                      I don't see that capability in either MRA Navigation or Mobile. It appears the closest you can come to accessing this feature is on the web based Route Lab accessed via a browser. However, on a mobile (Android), you don't get the "Create a scenic route" dialog when you go to the Route Lab. So, it doesn't appear you can do this on a mobile device. Did I miss something?

                      Now generating a Roundtour is something you can do on the mobile, but only via MRA Mobile or accessing the Route Lab on a mobile browser. You can't do this in MRA Navigation.

                      Edit:

                      I do note that if you select OpenStreeMaps you can go to the Toolkit and select Curves in the Routing Options. This appears to be a silver subscription feature (I don't have that) and I don't see any information on it in the documentation - so I can't see how it really works. Since I generally have it set to HERE maps, I didn't see this.

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                      @Tim-Thompson See the attached screenshot. Use the search functionality in the app (on the map, top right).

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                      • Tim  Thompsonundefined Tim Thompson

                        Another comment about sorting route list...

                        If you are looking at the route list on the web based Route Lab (on your mobile device via a browser), your sorting is limited. In portrait view, you only have access to sort by name because this is the only option that is in view. Rotating to landscape gives you access to Type, Privacy, and Changed. Distance and Duration are still cut off and appear inaccessible.

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                        @Tim-Thompson You are completely correct. Sorting in the Mobile browser view is much more limited. Something to improve later on 😉

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                        • Stefan Hummelinkundefined Stefan Hummelink

                          @ Allen ben ik wellicht te ambitieus als ik zou willen voorstellen om te vragen om zowel de mogelijkheid te hebben met track als met route kunnen te kunnen navigeren hehe. Als de app beide kan en beide manieren perfect gaan, dan zijn alle partijen tevreden! 🙂

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                          🇳🇱 Dit is inderdaad de bedoeling, zowel de 'volg de track' als een volledig dynamische 'turn-by-turn' navigatiemodus komen uiteindelijk in mobile terecht. De simpele 'volg de track' modus is niet alleen ontzettend handig voor de wandelaars en fietsers, maar ook voor bijvoorbeeld groepen motor- of autorijders die dicht op elkaar rijden: dan wil je als 'volger' wellicht niet eens al die instructies zien maar gewoon de geplande route.

                          Ook is het een mooie bijkomstigheid dat de app niet ineens kan denken dat er een file ontstaat en vervolgens allerlei gebruikers andere kanten uit gaat sturen. Dat is een veelgehoorde kritiek die ik gelukkig ook bij ieder ander platform voorbij zie komen. Wij komen daarbij overigens met een oplossing in de vorm van 'groepsritten'.

                          🇬🇧 This is indeed the intention, both the 'follow the track' and a fully dynamic 'turn-by-turn' navigation mode will eventually end up in mobile. The simple 'follow the track' mode is not only very useful for walkers and cyclists, but also for example for groups of motorcyclists or car drivers who drive close to each other: then you as a 'follower' may not even want to see all those instructions but just the planned route.

                          It is also a nice side effect that the app cannot suddenly think that a traffic jam is created and then send all kinds of users in other directions. That is a frequently heard criticism that I fortunately also see on every other platform. We also come up with a solution in the form of 'group rides'.

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                            @StefanHummelink

                            🇳🇱 Dit is inderdaad de bedoeling, zowel de 'volg de track' als een volledig dynamische 'turn-by-turn' navigatiemodus komen uiteindelijk in mobile terecht. De simpele 'volg de track' modus is niet alleen ontzettend handig voor de wandelaars en fietsers, maar ook voor bijvoorbeeld groepen motor- of autorijders die dicht op elkaar rijden: dan wil je als 'volger' wellicht niet eens al die instructies zien maar gewoon de geplande route.

                            Ook is het een mooie bijkomstigheid dat de app niet ineens kan denken dat er een file ontstaat en vervolgens allerlei gebruikers andere kanten uit gaat sturen. Dat is een veelgehoorde kritiek die ik gelukkig ook bij ieder ander platform voorbij zie komen. Wij komen daarbij overigens met een oplossing in de vorm van 'groepsritten'.

                            🇬🇧 This is indeed the intention, both the 'follow the track' and a fully dynamic 'turn-by-turn' navigation mode will eventually end up in mobile. The simple 'follow the track' mode is not only very useful for walkers and cyclists, but also for example for groups of motorcyclists or car drivers who drive close to each other: then you as a 'follower' may not even want to see all those instructions but just the planned route.

                            It is also a nice side effect that the app cannot suddenly think that a traffic jam is created and then send all kinds of users in other directions. That is a frequently heard criticism that I fortunately also see on every other platform. We also come up with a solution in the form of 'group rides'.

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                            @Timo-Martosatiman-MRA said in Suggestions:

                            @StefanHummelink
                            Ook is het een mooie bijkomstigheid dat de app niet ineens kan denken dat er een file ontstaat en vervolgens allerlei gebruikers andere kanten uit gaat sturen. Dat is een veelgehoorde kritiek die ik gelukkig ook bij ieder ander platform voorbij zie komen. Wij komen daarbij overigens met een oplossing in de vorm van 'groepsritten'.

                            Dit klinkt mij in de oren als de app van de Waze routeplanner. Die waarschuwt je ook als er voor je een incident gebeurt. Top optie 👍

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                              Woosh. Topic is now locked. 🔒

                              Please refer to the amended rules on page 1. i.e: make new topics for suggestions so we can keep it organized.

                              Thanks!

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