Segments, Silver and Season Challenge live!

[Jordan Altena]

I’ve been looking forward to this one.
Nice improvement

[Dries Damstra 0]

Segments seems nice, but I am using a tomtom 550, it does not work with tomtom?
Dries

[Herko ter Horst]

@dries-damstra-0 it seems that planning with segments only works with OpenStreetMap, however, you should still be able to use the track created from that in your TomTom, unless your route contains roads that the TomTom doesn't know about (and sadly, this will be hard to check beforehand in MRA itself, because the "Compare route with" functionality of the Toolkit doesn't use segments in the routes you compare with, obviously).

[Stefan Hummelink]

@herko-ter-horst well, what about the following hypothesis:

Showing the route with segments using the OSM map underneath the to TomTom converted route which is automatically done when the user changes from OSM go TomTom in the Segmented route? Would this not be exactly what we need. The auto conversion does its best to keep both identical, but I would assume that if the original Segmented OSM route is shown through the "Routes and + " menu from the toolbar, we create the same "compare with" functionally as the toolkit inherently contains.

I don't have time to test it now. Would be very interesting though.
Edit:

Just did a quick test and the above seems to work flawlessly.
I created a segmented route in OSM, converted it to a copy by selecting TomTom and then I've selevted the original Segmented route to be shown in the converted route. Now one can edit the waypoints in the converted route to be identical, if intended, to the Segmented OSM route.

[MyRoute-app community]

Hi guys, just dropping in here with my personal solution to the TomTom question: I just let it get 'messed up' after transfering to TomTom and then start working from there. Expanding waypoints is also a good way to go (and increases the effectivity of the compare feature)

[Stefan Hummelink]

@timo-martosatiman-mra said in Segments, Silver and Season Challenge live!:

Expanding waypoints is also a good way to go (and increases the effectivity of the compare feature)

This I would definitely always do! The segments are very nice to initially setup the route, but I feel the waypoints in the end should fix the route and not a segment algorithm. This just to be safe. I use MRA Navigation and therefore for me personally that is the only way, since segments are not supported in nav untill ???

[sudolea]

At first, I was enthousiastic about the spirit of this feature, as it's quite useful. But my second tought was : "pourvu que ça marche" (let's face it, MRA does have bad habit of very regularly breaking old things). Well ... I think I can attribute my current error to this new feature, as it only occurs in OSM...

I have this recently created route of about 430 km (probably just a little before the introduction of this feature)... It's a ride of a little over 6 hours, from W-Belgium to roughly Koblenz, in a mixture of highways and secundary roads. See screenshot 1 showing a part of it.

If I open it in its original form, based on OpenStreetMap, I no longer get the routepoints informations in the left part of the screen (it's all white now). See screenshot 2. Also notice that even if the routepoints are still present, as from point 18, the line connecting these points is no longer there. Also the total distance and the foreseen duration to ride that route are missing at the top left part of the window.

Then, with a "hack" (or call it a "trick" - but please don't call it a solution !!!), creating an extra route point right after leaving the highway (see screenshot 3), I obtain the route points infos again - for the biggest number of them, as some are still missing. Only, the total distance is off by 150 km, and the expected duration to ride the route is off by 2 hours and a half.

Opening it in as well HERE as well as in TomTom shows correct times.

Back to the drawing board ? I can understand things get broken accidently, but it happens all too often in MRA's case. I would appreciate it not to be continuously considered as "beta-testing customer". Speaking for myself, I can assure you I appreciate a product that's not broken that often. Maybe MRA could better test things proactively, rather than fix things things that shouldn't have been broken in the first place ? I bet MRA is doing "agile" programming, doing "sprints". Why not, buzzwords are sexy. If only they resulted in better and more stable software.

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[Tom Johann]

I am quite enthusiastic about the new Segments feature.
This is really helpful planning real routes with nice parts!

I also understand that some/most of the navigation systems do not support this feature and we have to expand routes to overcome the missing feature in the navigation system.
BUT: I woud have expected that the MRA Navigator is able to use this feature.
Unfortunately it is not able to handle this new feature.

Will MRA Navigator in the future also support Segments without expanding routes?

Many thanks.
Tom

[Hans van de Ven MR.MRA]

@tom-johann
Hello Tom,

MRA Navigation uses the Here map, so as long as the Here map is used for Navigation, the segments will not be copied.
Solution: When your route is completely ready, add x number of waypoints and convert the route by using the Here map as a planning map, the route will then be mostly the same. Always check the route points.

[Steve Lynch]

@timo-martosatiman-mra

https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/6105923?mode=share

The the public route above does not seem to do what I was expecting between segment points 2-3.
I guess I may be doing something wrong?
Point 1 to 2 is correct and is the fastest way to get to Point 2.
However as Point 3 is set to the highest Curvy Roads I find it strange that it chooses to Route me on the A21 for 90% of Segment 2-3.
The A21 is Major Dual Carriageway that in places is 3 lanes wide.
Using the Scenic Route Generator creates exactly the same route for Points 2-3?

The route below generated by the Tom Tom Curvy Routes in MRA is an example of what I would have expected between points 2-3?

[Hans van de Ven MR.MRA]

@steve-lynch

Hello @Steve-Lynch

TomTom uses a different map and algorithm to determine the route, so comparing these 2 is like comparing apples and oranges

[Steve Lynch]

@hans-van-de-ven-mra-master

Yes that is a fair enough comment, but forgetting the Tom Tom example and looking at the OSM example in isolation, having set it to to the highest Curvy Roads option it seems strange that it routes me on a major dual carriageway.
I was hoping I was doing something wrong?

[Stefan Hummelink]

@steve-lynch I guess it's safe to conclude that we now know as well why the OSM is available free of charge and TomTom is not. That obviously comes at a price haha. The OSM algorithm kist seems to "suck" compared to Tom.

[Steve Lynch]

@stefanhummelink
I do have a Tom Tom 550 but my preferred device is now a Garmin Zumo XT due to my ageing eyes.
Due to the awesome functionality of the MRA Route Planner I can use the Tom Tom algorithm and then switch to the Here Map and convert it ready for import via the Connector to my XT.
Happy days

[sudolea]

@stefanhummelink said in Segments, Silver and Season Challenge live!:

@steve-lynch I guess it's safe to conclude that we now know as well why the OSM is available free of charge and TomTom is not. That obviously comes at a price haha. The OSM algorithm kist seems to "suck" compared to Tom.

Are you sure it is OSM that provides the algorithm, Stefan ? I am not at all, as OSM is map material gathered from inputs from people from all around the world. Open, yes indeed. Free, yes indeed. But I doubt there is an algorithm coming with it ?

I've seen no difference between the "curvy roads" setting and the "very curvy road" setting in MRA, up to now.

[Stefan Hummelink]

@sudolea I'm not sure, but simply assuming. I would however not expect the algorithm to be coming from MRA and only using the map data? In that case, the fault is at MRA hahah.