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    wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 12:35 last edited by
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    Route segments.png
    We have made another major adjustment to our routeplanner. With segments you can split the route into different parts, and give each part a different setting. For example, you drive the first part of the route on the highway, and you drive the second part through beautiful nature and avoid highways!

    Discover segments

    Do you think a Gold subscription is still too exciting? We have a new subscription that allows you to make cheaper routes, but still work like a pro. This is the MRA Routeplanner Silver subscription. We've made a couple of landing pages where you can compare the features.

    • Routeplanner Basic
    • Routeplanner Silver
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    In addition, a community challenge is now live! The Season Challenge was designed to get you back in the saddle!

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      1 Jun 2022, 12:35

      Route segments.png
      We have made another major adjustment to our routeplanner. With segments you can split the route into different parts, and give each part a different setting. For example, you drive the first part of the route on the highway, and you drive the second part through beautiful nature and avoid highways!

      Discover segments

      Do you think a Gold subscription is still too exciting? We have a new subscription that allows you to make cheaper routes, but still work like a pro. This is the MRA Routeplanner Silver subscription. We've made a couple of landing pages where you can compare the features.

      • Routeplanner Basic
      • Routeplanner Silver
      • Routeplanner Gold

      In addition, a community challenge is now live! The Season Challenge was designed to get you back in the saddle!

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      Steve Lynch
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      wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 13:14 last edited by Steve Lynch 6 Jan 2022, 13:56
      #2

      @timo-martosatiman-mra

      I’ve been looking forward to this one.
      Any info on how and where we access it?

      Link to the YouTube video on Segments.
      https://youtu.be/1YPQiLXWvdw

      You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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        1 Jun 2022, 12:35

        Route segments.png
        We have made another major adjustment to our routeplanner. With segments you can split the route into different parts, and give each part a different setting. For example, you drive the first part of the route on the highway, and you drive the second part through beautiful nature and avoid highways!

        Discover segments

        Do you think a Gold subscription is still too exciting? We have a new subscription that allows you to make cheaper routes, but still work like a pro. This is the MRA Routeplanner Silver subscription. We've made a couple of landing pages where you can compare the features.

        • Routeplanner Basic
        • Routeplanner Silver
        • Routeplanner Gold

        In addition, a community challenge is now live! The Season Challenge was designed to get you back in the saddle!

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        Steve Lynch
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        wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 14:10 last edited by Steve Lynch 6 Jan 2022, 14:12
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        @timo-martosatiman-mra

        Sorry if I’m being a bit impatient but I do not see the Segment Menu’s at the moment?
        Working for a College I’m on Half Term so I’m itching to get started!

        Steve.

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        You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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          1 Jun 2022, 14:10

          @timo-martosatiman-mra

          Sorry if I’m being a bit impatient but I do not see the Segment Menu’s at the moment?
          Working for a College I’m on Half Term so I’m itching to get started!

          Steve.

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          Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
          RouteXpert
          wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 14:19 last edited by
          #4

          @steve-lynch
          Hi @Steve,
          The segments will only work in the OSM card.
          Best practice:
          Place a waypoint on your start point and end point, determine by placing a waypoint where you want to start and end to drive through.
          Look at the route point list and click on the icon behind the route point number.
          The manual will follow asap.
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          Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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            1 Jun 2022, 14:19

            @steve-lynch
            Hi @Steve,
            The segments will only work in the OSM card.
            Best practice:
            Place a waypoint on your start point and end point, determine by placing a waypoint where you want to start and end to drive through.
            Look at the route point list and click on the icon behind the route point number.
            The manual will follow asap.
            794c6a73-970c-4b54-bb93-4ab1fb5ae33b-image.png

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            Steve Lynch
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            wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 14:24 last edited by
            #5

            @hans-van-de-ven-mra-master

            Thanks for the clarification.
            I’m good to go now.

            You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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              Jordan Altena
              wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 15:00 last edited by
              #6

              I’ve been looking forward to this one.
              Nice improvement

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                Dries Damstra 0
                wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 19:51 last edited by
                #7

                Segments seems nice, but I am using a tomtom 550, it does not work with tomtom?
                Dries

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                  1 Jun 2022, 19:51

                  Segments seems nice, but I am using a tomtom 550, it does not work with tomtom?
                  Dries

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                  Herko ter Horst
                  wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 20:20 last edited by
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                  @dries-damstra-0 it seems that planning with segments only works with OpenStreetMap, however, you should still be able to use the track created from that in your TomTom, unless your route contains roads that the TomTom doesn't know about (and sadly, this will be hard to check beforehand in MRA itself, because the "Compare route with" functionality of the Toolkit doesn't use segments in the routes you compare with, obviously).

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                    1 Jun 2022, 20:20

                    @dries-damstra-0 it seems that planning with segments only works with OpenStreetMap, however, you should still be able to use the track created from that in your TomTom, unless your route contains roads that the TomTom doesn't know about (and sadly, this will be hard to check beforehand in MRA itself, because the "Compare route with" functionality of the Toolkit doesn't use segments in the routes you compare with, obviously).

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                    Stefan Hummelink
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                    wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 21:03 last edited by Stefan Hummelink 6 Jan 2022, 21:12
                    #9

                    @herko-ter-horst well, what about the following hypothesis:

                    Showing the route with segments using the OSM map underneath the to TomTom converted route which is automatically done when the user changes from OSM go TomTom in the Segmented route? Would this not be exactly what we need. The auto conversion does its best to keep both identical, but I would assume that if the original Segmented OSM route is shown through the "Routes and + " menu from the toolbar, we create the same "compare with" functionally as the toolkit inherently contains.

                    I don't have time to test it now. Would be very interesting though.
                    Edit:

                    Just did a quick test and the above seems to work flawlessly.
                    I created a segmented route in OSM, converted it to a copy by selecting TomTom and then I've selevted the original Segmented route to be shown in the converted route. Now one can edit the waypoints in the converted route to be identical, if intended, to the Segmented OSM route.
                    Screenshot_20220601-230949.jpg

                    Manks bu'j te bange.

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                      wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 21:11 last edited by
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                      Hi guys, just dropping in here with my personal solution to the TomTom question: I just let it get 'messed up' after transfering to TomTom and then start working from there. Expanding waypoints is also a good way to go (and increases the effectivity of the compare feature)

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                        1 Jun 2022, 21:11

                        Hi guys, just dropping in here with my personal solution to the TomTom question: I just let it get 'messed up' after transfering to TomTom and then start working from there. Expanding waypoints is also a good way to go (and increases the effectivity of the compare feature)

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                        wrote on 1 Jun 2022, 21:14 last edited by
                        #11

                        @timo-martosatiman-mra said in Segments, Silver and Season Challenge live!:

                        Expanding waypoints is also a good way to go (and increases the effectivity of the compare feature)

                        This I would definitely always do! The segments are very nice to initially setup the route, but I feel the waypoints in the end should fix the route and not a segment algorithm. This just to be safe. I use MRA Navigation and therefore for me personally that is the only way, since segments are not supported in nav untill ??? 😄

                        Manks bu'j te bange.

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                          sudolea
                          wrote on 2 Jun 2022, 12:59 last edited by
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                          At first, I was enthousiastic about the spirit of this feature, as it's quite useful. But my second tought was : "pourvu que ça marche" (let's face it, MRA does have bad habit of very regularly breaking old things). Well ... I think I can attribute my current error to this new feature, as it only occurs in OSM...

                          I have this recently created route of about 430 km (probably just a little before the introduction of this feature)... It's a ride of a little over 6 hours, from W-Belgium to roughly Koblenz, in a mixture of highways and secundary roads. See screenshot 1 showing a part of it.

                          If I open it in its original form, based on OpenStreetMap, I no longer get the routepoints informations in the left part of the screen (it's all white now). See screenshot 2. Also notice that even if the routepoints are still present, as from point 18, the line connecting these points is no longer there. Also the total distance and the foreseen duration to ride that route are missing at the top left part of the window.

                          Then, with a "hack" (or call it a "trick" - but please don't call it a solution !!!), creating an extra route point right after leaving the highway (see screenshot 3), I obtain the route points infos again - for the biggest number of them, as some are still missing. Only, the total distance is off by 150 km, and the expected duration to ride the route is off by 2 hours and a half.

                          Opening it in as well HERE as well as in TomTom shows correct times.

                          Back to the drawing board ? I can understand things get broken accidently, but it happens all too often in MRA's case. I would appreciate it not to be continuously considered as "beta-testing customer". Speaking for myself, I can assure you I appreciate a product that's not broken that often. Maybe MRA could better test things proactively, rather than fix things things that shouldn't have been broken in the first place ? I bet MRA is doing "agile" programming, doing "sprints". Why not, buzzwords are sexy. If only they resulted in better and more stable software.

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                            Tom Johann
                            wrote on 3 Jun 2022, 06:53 last edited by
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                            I am quite enthusiastic about the new Segments feature.
                            This is really helpful planning real routes with nice parts!

                            I also understand that some/most of the navigation systems do not support this feature and we have to expand routes to overcome the missing feature in the navigation system.
                            BUT: I woud have expected that the MRA Navigator is able to use this feature.
                            Unfortunately it is not able to handle this new feature.

                            Will MRA Navigator in the future also support Segments without expanding routes?

                            Many thanks.
                            Tom

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                              3 Jun 2022, 06:53

                              I am quite enthusiastic about the new Segments feature.
                              This is really helpful planning real routes with nice parts!

                              I also understand that some/most of the navigation systems do not support this feature and we have to expand routes to overcome the missing feature in the navigation system.
                              BUT: I woud have expected that the MRA Navigator is able to use this feature.
                              Unfortunately it is not able to handle this new feature.

                              Will MRA Navigator in the future also support Segments without expanding routes?

                              Many thanks.
                              Tom

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                              RouteXpert
                              wrote on 3 Jun 2022, 08:40 last edited by
                              #14

                              @tom-johann
                              Hello Tom,

                              MRA Navigation uses the Here map, so as long as the Here map is used for Navigation, the segments will not be copied.
                              Solution: When your route is completely ready, add x number of waypoints and convert the route by using the Here map as a planning map, the route will then be mostly the same. Always check the route points.

                              Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
                              Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                                1 Jun 2022, 12:35

                                Route segments.png
                                We have made another major adjustment to our routeplanner. With segments you can split the route into different parts, and give each part a different setting. For example, you drive the first part of the route on the highway, and you drive the second part through beautiful nature and avoid highways!

                                Discover segments

                                Do you think a Gold subscription is still too exciting? We have a new subscription that allows you to make cheaper routes, but still work like a pro. This is the MRA Routeplanner Silver subscription. We've made a couple of landing pages where you can compare the features.

                                • Routeplanner Basic
                                • Routeplanner Silver
                                • Routeplanner Gold

                                In addition, a community challenge is now live! The Season Challenge was designed to get you back in the saddle!

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                                Steve Lynch
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                                wrote on 3 Jun 2022, 09:16 last edited by Steve Lynch 6 Mar 2022, 09:19
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                                @timo-martosatiman-mra

                                https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/6105923?mode=share

                                The the public route above does not seem to do what I was expecting between segment points 2-3.
                                I guess I may be doing something wrong?
                                Point 1 to 2 is correct and is the fastest way to get to Point 2.
                                However as Point 3 is set to the highest Curvy Roads I find it strange that it chooses to Route me on the A21 for 90% of Segment 2-3.
                                The A21 is Major Dual Carriageway that in places is 3 lanes wide.
                                Using the Scenic Route Generator creates exactly the same route for Points 2-3?

                                03-06-2022 10-02-35.png

                                The route below generated by the Tom Tom Curvy Routes in MRA is an example of what I would have expected between points 2-3?

                                03-06-2022 10-07-22.png

                                You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                                  3 Jun 2022, 09:16

                                  @timo-martosatiman-mra

                                  https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/6105923?mode=share

                                  The the public route above does not seem to do what I was expecting between segment points 2-3.
                                  I guess I may be doing something wrong?
                                  Point 1 to 2 is correct and is the fastest way to get to Point 2.
                                  However as Point 3 is set to the highest Curvy Roads I find it strange that it chooses to Route me on the A21 for 90% of Segment 2-3.
                                  The A21 is Major Dual Carriageway that in places is 3 lanes wide.
                                  Using the Scenic Route Generator creates exactly the same route for Points 2-3?

                                  03-06-2022 10-02-35.png

                                  The route below generated by the Tom Tom Curvy Routes in MRA is an example of what I would have expected between points 2-3?

                                  03-06-2022 10-07-22.png

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                                  Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
                                  RouteXpert
                                  wrote on 3 Jun 2022, 09:24 last edited by
                                  #16

                                  @steve-lynch

                                  Hello @Steve-Lynch

                                  TomTom uses a different map and algorithm to determine the route, so comparing these 2 is like comparing apples and oranges

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                                  Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                                    3 Jun 2022, 09:24

                                    @steve-lynch

                                    Hello @Steve-Lynch

                                    TomTom uses a different map and algorithm to determine the route, so comparing these 2 is like comparing apples and oranges

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                                    wrote on 3 Jun 2022, 09:52 last edited by
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                                    @hans-van-de-ven-mra-master

                                    Yes that is a fair enough comment, but forgetting the Tom Tom example and looking at the OSM example in isolation, having set it to to the highest Curvy Roads option it seems strange that it routes me on a major dual carriageway.
                                    I was hoping I was doing something wrong?

                                    You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                                      3 Jun 2022, 09:52

                                      @hans-van-de-ven-mra-master

                                      Yes that is a fair enough comment, but forgetting the Tom Tom example and looking at the OSM example in isolation, having set it to to the highest Curvy Roads option it seems strange that it routes me on a major dual carriageway.
                                      I was hoping I was doing something wrong?

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                                      Alpha tester
                                      wrote on 3 Jun 2022, 10:01 last edited by Stefan Hummelink 6 Mar 2022, 10:01
                                      #18

                                      @steve-lynch I guess it's safe to conclude that we now know as well why the OSM is available free of charge and TomTom is not. That obviously comes at a price haha. The OSM algorithm kist seems to "suck" compared to Tom. 😁

                                      Manks bu'j te bange.

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                                        3 Jun 2022, 10:01

                                        @steve-lynch I guess it's safe to conclude that we now know as well why the OSM is available free of charge and TomTom is not. That obviously comes at a price haha. The OSM algorithm kist seems to "suck" compared to Tom. 😁

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                                        wrote on 3 Jun 2022, 10:23 last edited by
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                                        @stefanhummelink
                                        I do have a Tom Tom 550 but my preferred device is now a Garmin Zumo XT due to my ageing eyes.
                                        Due to the awesome functionality of the MRA Route Planner I can use the Tom Tom algorithm and then switch to the Here Map and convert it ready for import via the Connector to my XT.
                                        Happy days 😊 👍

                                        You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                                          3 Jun 2022, 10:01

                                          @steve-lynch I guess it's safe to conclude that we now know as well why the OSM is available free of charge and TomTom is not. That obviously comes at a price haha. The OSM algorithm kist seems to "suck" compared to Tom. 😁

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                                          wrote on 3 Jun 2022, 16:37 last edited by
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                                          @stefanhummelink said in Segments, Silver and Season Challenge live!:

                                          @steve-lynch I guess it's safe to conclude that we now know as well why the OSM is available free of charge and TomTom is not. That obviously comes at a price haha. The OSM algorithm kist seems to "suck" compared to Tom. 😁

                                          Are you sure it is OSM that provides the algorithm, Stefan ? I am not at all, as OSM is map material gathered from inputs from people from all around the world. Open, yes indeed. Free, yes indeed. But I doubt there is an algorithm coming with it ?

                                          I've seen no difference between the "curvy roads" setting and the "very curvy road" setting in MRA, up to now.

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