Voice Navigation anncouncement too quiet

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Con-Hennekens Hello Con,
Even with the volume control in the MRA app set to maximum, I couldn't hear any navigation announcements.

Only when I set the media volume to maximum in the Android phone's "Sound and Vibration Settings" could I hear the navigation announcements again.

In other apps, the volume can be adjusted independently of the Android system in the "App Settings."
I would welcome this option in the MRA app as well.

[Con Hennekens]

@Peter-Zehentreiter, When I change the slider of the in-app volume setting, the OS system Media Volume changes accordingly. It is one and the same sound channel. When I change that slider while a BT headset is connected. The smame slider does affect the BT volume, just like what happens with the volume up and down buttons. Even the volume change graphic from Android itself is displayed over the app...

And when you use the volume buttons to change the volume, the slider in the app changes accordingly, and in menu you show above the media channel is the one changed. So to me, really, the in-app slider has no function at all, since everyone uses volume buttons, much easier.

[Alex reds]

It happens to me too—when I'm listening to music, the volume is perfect, but if I stop the music, the volume drops significantly. Of course, I stop the music from the phone by pausing the track, without touching the volume controls. I’ve always thought this was related to the intercom, which is connected to both the motorcycle and the phone (iPhone). If the music is playing when a notification from the app comes in, the music volume lowers a lot and the navigation voice comes through clearly. Everything works perfectly—until I stop the music.

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Con-Hennekens What you're explaining is correct, but if I turn down my Sena volume using the Wonderwheel, for example, the voice prompt from the MRA app is also reduced. However, if I then want to increase the volume using the Wonderwheel, it no longer works.

To make the MRA volume louder again, I have to go into the system settings on my Android phone.

Before the update that did not happen.

[Con Hennekens]

@Peter-Zehentreiter, So the Whonderwheel has influence on your Sena volume? That's new to me... But does the Wonderwheel lower your Sena or your Android volume? Do you use a Carpe Iter BMW control or a Wunderlinq or something? I would disable it in the MRA app system setting (select disabled in the setting), to deduct if it's the MRA app lowering the volume, or some device changing the volume directly from within Android system or on your Sena.

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Con-Hennekens My Bluetooth connections are set up as follows:

My helmet with Sena is connected to the TFT of the GS 1250, and my phone is also connected to the TFT of the GS 1250.

The volume of the Sena (mesh) can be easily increased and decreased using the Wonderwheel (this has been working for about two years).

When I use the Sena volume up and down buttons on my helmet, the volume bar on the TFT also synchronizes.

I can also adjust the volume of the music played on my phone (played via Sena).

No Carpe Iter or Wunderlinq, just BMW standard.

I also have the SilverFox C1 (but in my opinion, it has nothing to do with it).

It would be ideal if you could adjust the volume independently in the MRA app. (See screenshot from the speed camera app)

[Westerwald_Rider]

@Con-Hennekens : Hi Con, the "Sena whonderweel" capture the BT Device Audio strengt. But the MyrouteAPP is running under phone settings. In fact, if you use automatic volume control in Sena 30k . Your sena lower down, after and after the voice of myrouteAPP get more and more quiet. In my Car with Carpuride I use the lower power Music button. the voice lower down. But when I get louder the BT Device stearing will not push up the audio of the MyrouteAPP.

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Westerwald_Rider AAh, interesting, I thought that was what happened when I lowered the volume with the Wonderwheel.
But I've also been having problems with it for the last four days and could only turn it back up via the system settings.

[Adrian Avram]

@Con-Hennekens said in Voice Navigation anncouncement too quiet:

the in-app slider has no function at all

It would have been ok to have a boost function and really boost the audio over the maximum threshold.

[Con Hennekens]

@Adrian-Avram said in Voice Navigation anncouncement too quiet:

It would have been ok to have a boost function and really boost the audio over the maximum threshold.

Boosting Audio can only be done by lowering other sources. It would be great if Google added a seperate speech channel in Android, like they did in Android Auto...

@Peter-Zehentreiter said in Voice Navigation anncouncement too quiet:

The volume of the Sena (mesh) can be easily increased and decreased using the Wonderwheel (this has been working for about two years).

Nice, but that seems to be an MRA app independent feature to me.
Setups like this have already coupled 4 BT devices into one knot. It is bound to go wrong sooner or later. That is what I call the "extra layer of complexity" when it comes to AA/CP solutions. I am an IT guy but no gadget freak . That being said, of course I hope you will find a solution for this strange behavior.

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Con-Hennekens I think I've figured out what's wrong and how to prevent the MRA app from turning down the volume on its own.

If I set Intelligente Lautstärkesteuerung" to "off" in the Sena app, I can still adjust the volume with the Wonderwheel.

The volume slider in the MRA app and the volume slider of the Android settings remain at maximum volume, no matter what volume I set with the Wonderwheel.

[Westerwald_Rider]

@Peter-Zehentreiter said in Voice Navigation anncouncement too quiet:

I think I've figured out what's wrong and how to prevent the MRA app from turning down the volume on its own.

If I set Intelligente Lautstärkesteuerung" to "off" in the Sena app, I can still adjust the volume with the Wonderwheel.

The volume slider in the MRA app and the volume slider of the Android settings remain at maximum volume, no matter what volume I set with the Wonderwheel.

HHello Peter,

thanks a lot. Your solution sounds linke a workaround. I check it out. But what happend in my Car? I don't know.
I'm just wondering why now? It didn't do that in an older version. Okay there were other problems. Like freezing, hangup during navigation. Or MRA wanted to go home right away. (no joke, it went around the block once, destination reached.)
With the new version on Android and Samsung S20 FE it drives me crazy. And my phone heats up. Even though it hangs in the wind .
It seems the better way I use my old Garmin during a longer ride. It got a lot of lacks but all navigation command are loud and correct.

have a good ride

regards from Westerwald

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Westerwald_Rider I am pretty happy with MRA … just had a 4 days trip in Slowenia.
Without problems except the loudness issue( which is in my opinion resulting because of wrong adjustment in the Sena App)
The other problems you are mentioning are NOT existing on my side.
If you want.. we can talk together via phone and I‘ll let you know me secrets
I assume you are German so we could talk in German which makes it easier.

Regards
Peter

[Con Hennekens]

@Westerwald_Rider said in Voice Navigation anncouncement too quiet:

Or MRA wanted to go home right away. (no joke, it went around the block once, destination reached.)

That happened to me too... I forgot to disable "start at closest waypoint"
(this was in Westerwald actually, Freudenberg ).

[M. Schrijver]

A few beta versions ago there was a line in the release note that the volume can be set louder than before.
In that specific version. The line of the volumeslider was a bit different It was a dotted or dashed line. Not continiuous. I didn't had the change to test that specific version because a newer version was there pretty soon.
In the current version the slider has it's usual continuous shape again. And at maximum volume level, the volume is still low.

Is possible that this change has disappeared in the newer versions

[Con Hennekens]

@M.-Schrijver, I do not remember the slider's looks changed much. That volume slider just mimics the phones volume buttons and system slider. Some claim it is louder since that changed, but personally I don't notice any difference regarding the loudness of the voice.

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Con-Hennekens I would also welcome it if it were louder, because at the moment it is sometimes difficult to understand.

[Westerwald_Rider]

Hi at all, a üretty good workaround for Samsung Smartphones can be Sound Assistent from Samsung market place. I test IT during my holiday Trip and use mra Navigation App in my car and carpuride. And I am verry happy, with it. My better Part of m life means mra is better than g**** maps..more detailed. More professional. directions where early enough and very good. (Peter thanks for your crash course)

Hava a good ride all time

Westerwald rider

[Brian McG]

Hi @Westerwald_Rider "So that the navigation instructions can be heard clearly above the music."
I suspect if you have NO music playing, the MRA audio volume will be plenty loud enough to hear clearly, this is easy to test

IF the volume is loud enough with NO music then what I think the issue about MRA being quiet WITH music is because the user sets the volume level that they want the music to be comfortable at
What is not realised is that a lot of music player apps boost the volume so that they can be produce very high volumes,
quiet or even medium volume rock & roll is just NOT rock & roll

If you set the volume for comfortable music then MRA will sound quieter in comparison because it is not boosted

I learned this because I had the same issue, quiet MRA voice instructions
My fix has been to use a music app with equalizer or Replay gain settings so that I can control/reduce the music app volume output so it is un-boosted & matches the normal volume output of other apps such as MRA
With the music app & mra set to the same output levels then both increase equally using the phone volume controls

Thats was the case for me, it was not MRA's fault but mine for using a loud music app that drowned out the MRA app, other cases may be different especially using carpuride/android auto

[Westerwald_Rider]

Hello Brian,
I heared music during mra. My samsung is intergated in the BT Stack of my car and android carplay. The media channel is my bt stack of my car. Internet radio, mp3 and Spottify. It runs. Only my native radio in my car, I don't use it. Only for traffic and news. These samsung Audio App, you can Set indivdual Volume levels. Spotify is Set for 75% mra 100%. Internet Radio 80%. So you are able to hear mra Navigation instructions clear, clean an loud. Tested during my holiday trip with capuride w903. It runs perfect for me. A stop? No Problem. Only one Thing, mra has to be started first and later the carpuride. So the stopped Navigation runs perfekt for further Tour. Mra navigate me perfekt trough Hamburg. Loud an clean with music. I hope it helps for you.

Regards

Westerwald rider