Silverfox H1+ long-press

[Quim N]

Hi, I'm using Silvergox H1+ on a DMD tablet to control MRA. I use F2 set via Bluetooth as suggested by SFox and it works quite well. The only unconfortable issue happens when I long-press (·) button to skip waypoint, because when I do so the app alternates between compass modes many times (it repeats the single-press function) before it actually skips the waypoint.

I've contacted Riku from SFox and they say this may be up to how MRA implement the function in their code. Besides this, they say that they will check their firmware too.

What is MRA position on this? May I do something to improve it via configuration options?

Thanks!

Quim

[Thomas Neumeyer]

Hello, I recognised the same thing with Silverfox B8J.

[Corjan Meijerink]

It's indeed a possible discussion between MRA and the supplier.

The answer is simple: SilverFox emits both the short press and long signal when long pressing. As you long press you get:

• Short press: clicked
• Long press: clicked
• Long press: released
• Short press: released

In my opinion the firmware should not emit the short press when it becomes a long press (that's just industry standard really).
SilverFox could argue that we need to cancel the short press when detecting a long press - theoretically possible but annoying with our framework and against my vision that it's a firmware issue

[Quim N]

@Corjan-Meijerink That makes sense. I'll copy it to Silverfox, maybe they can take this into account and update their firmware.
Thanks!!

[Corjan Meijerink]

That's fine!
I'm quite well in touch with Riku too so feel free to mention he can contact me

[Kenny Thierens]

@Quim-N said in Silverfox H1+ long-press:

@Corjan-Meijerink That makes sense. I'll copy it to Silverfox, maybe they can this into account and update their firmware.
Thanks!!

@Quim-N it's the same issue with the C1 controller so if you can mention it too, that would be awesome

[Nick Carthew]

@Quim-N And you may as well mention the B8J to Riku too as this has the same issue.

[Quim N]

Sent Corjan answer to Riku, and mentioned B8J and C1 common problem too. Thanks!

[Nick Carthew]

Thanks @Quim-N
It doesn't really bother me, I just tap the compass button twice and return to Dynamic view.

[Marinus van Deudekom]

@Nick-Carthew it would be nice if Riku and Corjan could fix the problem. Meanwhile I’m a happy click Guy. Like you said enoying but that’s all

[Corjan Meijerink]

I'm already emailing with Riku about this

[Marinus van Deudekom]

@Corjan-Meijerink I know you do all you can to fix problems. In this case I’d say It takes twi to tango.
Keep up you excellent work

[Quim N]

@Corjan-Meijerink Riku fron Silverfox sent me a couple of firmware updates to test them and now all buttons short and long-press do work fine.
I've tested it through DMD buttons app, in F2 mode via bluetooth (wich is the setting needed for MuRouteApp) and it returns these codes:
Center (•) short 31, long 32
Minus (-) short 69, long 29
Plus (+) short 70, long 30

Now the only issue seems to be on MyRoute's side, because not all button functions work in all menus and sub-submenus. This is what i've found:

Navigation view:
(•) toggles compass modes
Long (•) skip waypoint
(-) zoom out
Long (-) does nothing [should toggle timer modes?]
(+) zoom in
Long (+) enters menu

Navigation menu:
(-) exits menu

Map view
(•) compass
(-) zoom out
(+) zoom in
Long (+) enters menu

Main menu:
(•) enters item
(-) exits menu
Long (+) also exits menu

Account menu and sub-menus:
(-) exits menu
Long (+) also exits menu

Other menus:
-no enter, no exit (e.g no way to select or to initiate route)
-no way to access back arrow (on top left) nor other top screen items with joystick arrows

Thank you!

[Corjan Meijerink]

The new firmware is indeed working correct! Resolving the issue of long pressing also submitting a short press function Nice that Riku fixed it that quickly!

I will confirm that we support the new firmware. He will then probably update it on his website for others to download. I could not find any issues in our app apart from the fact that we don't offer full app support for bluetooth controllers.

[Quim N]

@Corjan-Meijerink I understand there is no need, and may be rather dangerous, to navigate all menus through a bluetooth controller, but could it be possible just to associate (-)button long-press to toggle timer modes? It is the only function I fount not working with Silverfox in navigation mode.

Thanks!

[Marinus van Deudekom]

I've had contact with Riku from Silverfox. On my request he made an update for the H1 trying to solve the long press issue. Unfortunately something went wrong on his side witch makes the update unable to use. He will come back to me once the problem is solved. I did not want to take the chance of my upcoming trip to be spoild

[Corjan Meijerink]

@Quim-N I just tested the C1 in navigation mode to toggle the ETA and that works as expected. I assume it works with all SilverFox controllers.

Are you actually driving a route with waypoints? Otherwise the function just does not work on MRA side

[Marinus van Deudekom]

@Corjan-Meijerink Yes but for the H1 the update was not applicable. It seems that the update will cause serious problems to the controller that can only be resolved with the developers tools, witch we don't.
That's what Riku told me regarding the H1 controller

[Corjan Meijerink]

@Marinus-van-Deudekom how is this relevant to my comment?

[Nick Carthew]

@Corjan-Meijerink Do you know if Riku will be making the updated firmware available publicly? I’ve just checked the SilverFox website and I couldn’t see any updates.
As you know, I have the B8J and although the longpress triggering the short press command doesn’t really bother me, but if there was an easy fix by updating the firmware I’d like to be able to do it.

Cancel this request, I’ve just read your new update post