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  • Thomas Neumeyerundefined Online
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    wrote last edited by
    #2

    Hello, I recognised the same thing with Silverfox B8J.

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    • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
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      Corjan Meijerink
      Developer
      wrote last edited by
      #3

      It's indeed a possible discussion between MRA and the supplier.

      The answer is simple: SilverFox emits both the short press and long signal when long pressing. As you long press you get:

      • Short press: clicked
      • Long press: clicked
      • Long press: released
      • Short press: released

      In my opinion the firmware should not emit the short press when it becomes a long press (that's just industry standard really).
      SilverFox could argue that we need to cancel the short press when detecting a long press - theoretically possible but annoying with our framework and against my vision that it's a firmware issue πŸ˜‰

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      • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

        It's indeed a possible discussion between MRA and the supplier.

        The answer is simple: SilverFox emits both the short press and long signal when long pressing. As you long press you get:

        • Short press: clicked
        • Long press: clicked
        • Long press: released
        • Short press: released

        In my opinion the firmware should not emit the short press when it becomes a long press (that's just industry standard really).
        SilverFox could argue that we need to cancel the short press when detecting a long press - theoretically possible but annoying with our framework and against my vision that it's a firmware issue πŸ˜‰

        Quim Nundefined Offline
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        #4

        @Corjan-Meijerink That makes sense. I'll copy it to Silverfox, maybe they can take this into account and update their firmware.
        Thanks!!

        1250GSA - DMD865X - SilverfoxH1+

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        • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
          Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
          Corjan Meijerink
          Developer
          wrote last edited by
          #5

          That's fine!
          I'm quite well in touch with Riku too so feel free to mention he can contact me πŸ™‚

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          • Quim Nundefined Quim N

            @Corjan-Meijerink That makes sense. I'll copy it to Silverfox, maybe they can take this into account and update their firmware.
            Thanks!!

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            wrote last edited by
            #6

            @Quim-N said in Silverfox H1+ long-press:

            @Corjan-Meijerink That makes sense. I'll copy it to Silverfox, maybe they can this into account and update their firmware.
            Thanks!!

            @Quim-N it's the same issue with the C1 controller so if you can mention it too, that would be awesome

            '07 BMW R1200RT
            DMDΒ² T865x tablet
            Silverfox C1 controller
            Samsung S24+
            Cardo Spirit HD headset

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            • Quim Nundefined Quim N

              @Corjan-Meijerink That makes sense. I'll copy it to Silverfox, maybe they can take this into account and update their firmware.
              Thanks!!

              Nick Carthewundefined Offline
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              Nick Carthew
              RouteXpert
              wrote last edited by
              #7

              @Quim-N And you may as well mention the B8J to Riku too as this has the same issue.

              Always willing to help if I can.
              Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
              MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
              Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
              Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
              TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                #8

                Sent Corjan answer to Riku, and mentioned B8J and C1 common problem too. Thanks!

                1250GSA - DMD865X - SilverfoxH1+

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                • Quim Nundefined Quim N

                  Sent Corjan answer to Riku, and mentioned B8J and C1 common problem too. Thanks!

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                  Nick Carthew
                  RouteXpert
                  wrote last edited by
                  #9

                  Thanks @Quim-N
                  It doesn't really bother me, I just tap the compass button twice and return to Dynamic view.

                  Always willing to help if I can.
                  Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                  MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                  Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                  Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                  TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                  • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                    Thanks @Quim-N
                    It doesn't really bother me, I just tap the compass button twice and return to Dynamic view.

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                    Marinus van Deudekom
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                    #10

                    @Nick-Carthew it would be nice if Riku and Corjan could fix the problem. Meanwhile I’m a happy click Guy. Like you said enoying but that’s all

                    Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                    Honda Silverwing GL 650
                    DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                    Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                    Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                    • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
                      Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
                      Corjan Meijerink
                      Developer
                      wrote last edited by
                      #11

                      I'm already emailing with Riku about this πŸ™‚

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                      • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                        I'm already emailing with Riku about this πŸ™‚

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                        Marinus van Deudekom
                        Valued contributor
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                        #12

                        @Corjan-Meijerink I know you do all you can to fix problems. In this case I’d say It takes twi to tango.
                        Keep up you excellent work

                        Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                        Honda Silverwing GL 650
                        DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                        Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                        Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                        • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                          I'm already emailing with Riku about this πŸ™‚

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                          wrote last edited by Quim N
                          #13

                          @Corjan-Meijerink Riku fron Silverfox sent me a couple of firmware updates to test them and now all buttons short and long-press do work fine.
                          I've tested it through DMD buttons app, in F2 mode via bluetooth (wich is the setting needed for MuRouteApp) and it returns these codes:
                          Center (β€’) short 31, long 32
                          Minus (-) short 69, long 29
                          Plus (+) short 70, long 30

                          Now the only issue seems to be on MyRoute's side, because not all button functions work in all menus and sub-submenus. This is what i've found:

                          Navigation view:
                          (β€’) toggles compass modes
                          Long (β€’) skip waypoint
                          (-) zoom out
                          Long (-) does nothing [should toggle timer modes?]
                          (+) zoom in
                          Long (+) enters menu

                          Navigation menu:
                          (-) exits menu

                          Map view
                          (β€’) compass
                          (-) zoom out
                          (+) zoom in
                          Long (+) enters menu

                          Main menu:
                          (β€’) enters item
                          (-) exits menu
                          Long (+) also exits menu

                          Account menu and sub-menus:
                          (-) exits menu
                          Long (+) also exits menu

                          Other menus:
                          -no enter, no exit (e.g no way to select or to initiate route)
                          -no way to access back arrow (on top left) nor other top screen items with joystick arrows

                          Thank you!

                          1250GSA - DMD865X - SilverfoxH1+

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                          • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
                            Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
                            Corjan Meijerink
                            Developer
                            wrote last edited by
                            #14

                            The new firmware is indeed working correct! Resolving the issue of long pressing also submitting a short press function πŸ™‚ Nice that Riku fixed it that quickly!

                            I will confirm that we support the new firmware. He will then probably update it on his website for others to download. I could not find any issues in our app apart from the fact that we don't offer full app support for bluetooth controllers.

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                            • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                              The new firmware is indeed working correct! Resolving the issue of long pressing also submitting a short press function πŸ™‚ Nice that Riku fixed it that quickly!

                              I will confirm that we support the new firmware. He will then probably update it on his website for others to download. I could not find any issues in our app apart from the fact that we don't offer full app support for bluetooth controllers.

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                              @Corjan-Meijerink I understand there is no need, and may be rather dangerous, to navigate all menus through a bluetooth controller, but could it be possible just to associate (-)button long-press to toggle timer modes? It is the only function I fount not working with Silverfox in navigation mode.

                              Thanks!

                              1250GSA - DMD865X - SilverfoxH1+

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                              • Marinus van Deudekomundefined Offline
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                                Marinus van Deudekom
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                                I've had contact with Riku from Silverfox. On my request he made an update for the H1 trying to solve the long press issue. Unfortunately something went wrong on his side witch makes the update unable to use. He will come back to me once the problem is solved. I did not want to take the chance of my upcoming trip to be spoild

                                Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                                Honda Silverwing GL 650
                                DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                                Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                                Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                                • Quim Nundefined Quim N

                                  @Corjan-Meijerink I understand there is no need, and may be rather dangerous, to navigate all menus through a bluetooth controller, but could it be possible just to associate (-)button long-press to toggle timer modes? It is the only function I fount not working with Silverfox in navigation mode.

                                  Thanks!

                                  Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
                                  Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
                                  Corjan Meijerink
                                  Developer
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #17

                                  @Quim-N I just tested the C1 in navigation mode to toggle the ETA and that works as expected. I assume it works with all SilverFox controllers.

                                  Are you actually driving a route with waypoints? Otherwise the function just does not work on MRA side πŸ˜‰

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                                  • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                    @Quim-N I just tested the C1 in navigation mode to toggle the ETA and that works as expected. I assume it works with all SilverFox controllers.

                                    Are you actually driving a route with waypoints? Otherwise the function just does not work on MRA side πŸ˜‰

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                                    Marinus van Deudekom
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                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #18

                                    @Corjan-Meijerink Yes but for the H1 the update was not applicable. It seems that the update will cause serious problems to the controller that can only be resolved with the developers tools, witch we don't.
                                    That's what Riku told me regarding the H1 controller

                                    Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                                    Honda Silverwing GL 650
                                    DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                                    Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                                    Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                                    • Marinus van Deudekomundefined Marinus van Deudekom

                                      @Corjan-Meijerink Yes but for the H1 the update was not applicable. It seems that the update will cause serious problems to the controller that can only be resolved with the developers tools, witch we don't.
                                      That's what Riku told me regarding the H1 controller

                                      Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
                                      Corjan Meijerinkundefined Online
                                      Corjan Meijerink
                                      Developer
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #19

                                      @Marinus-van-Deudekom how is this relevant to my comment? πŸ˜›

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                                      • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                        @Quim-N I just tested the C1 in navigation mode to toggle the ETA and that works as expected. I assume it works with all SilverFox controllers.

                                        Are you actually driving a route with waypoints? Otherwise the function just does not work on MRA side πŸ˜‰

                                        Nick Carthewundefined Offline
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                                        Nick Carthew
                                        RouteXpert
                                        wrote last edited by Nick Carthew
                                        #20

                                        @Corjan-Meijerink Do you know if Riku will be making the updated firmware available publicly? I’ve just checked the SilverFox website and I couldn’t see any updates.
                                        As you know, I have the B8J and although the longpress triggering the short press command doesn’t really bother me, but if there was an easy fix by updating the firmware I’d like to be able to do it.

                                        Cancel this request, I’ve just read your new update post πŸ˜€

                                        Always willing to help if I can.
                                        Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                                        MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                                        Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                                        Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                                        TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                                        • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                          @Marinus-van-Deudekom how is this relevant to my comment? πŸ˜›

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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #21

                                          @Corjan-Meijerink I just repeated the warning I received from Riku and he concluded that the C1 and H1 react different on the update

                                          Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                                          Honda Silverwing GL 650
                                          DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                                          Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                                          Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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