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  • Peter Zehentreiterundefined Peter Zehentreiter

    @Corjan-Meijerink Hi Corjan, just because I am curious, would it be possible to make changes to the My Route app, so that the original BMW Wonderwheel would allow zooming? However, without any other Bluetooth controllers. That would be a real game changer, and a lot of CRN drivers from the BMW camp would switch to My Route Navigation.

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    @Peter-Zehentreiter, if it were that simple it would have been done already 😉 since the wishes for it are quite substantial. There is no means to pair a wonderwheel with phones without additional hardware, is there? And BMW is protective of their invention.

    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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      @Peter-Zehentreiter, if it were that simple it would have been done already 😉 since the wishes for it are quite substantial. There is no means to pair a wonderwheel with phones without additional hardware, is there? And BMW is protective of their invention.

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      @Con-Hennekens I understand that it's not easy, of course, but it works really well in conjunction with the BMW Connected app in the cradle.

      It's also logical that BMW protects its system!

      My thought was this: if Carpe Iter somehow manages to access the Wonderwheel via the BMW Control Hub, there might be a way to adapt the app accordingly. (Dreams are always allowed.)

      I'm not an app developer and I don't know anything about programming, so I just asked.

      BMW R 1250 GS
      MRA Navigation & SilverFox C1 Controller
      BMW Connected Ride Cradle
      SPC Universal mount
      Motorola Edge 40
      Sena SLR 3
      Sena 50 R

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        I've ordered a C1 controller. Awaiting production and shipment so I guess I'll know more in three weeks (next production batch is over 2 weeks).

        And indeed, that is unfortunately not possible.
        As MRA we do not ambition creating hardware such as Carpe Iter so indeed, using their module is on of the ways to integrate with BMW.

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        • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

          I've ordered a C1 controller. Awaiting production and shipment so I guess I'll know more in three weeks (next production batch is over 2 weeks).

          And indeed, that is unfortunately not possible.
          As MRA we do not ambition creating hardware such as Carpe Iter so indeed, using their module is on of the ways to integrate with BMW.

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          @Corjan-Meijerink Ok I´ll wait until I get some more infromation from your side concerning the C1 Controller, then I will decide between SilverFox and Carpe Iter.

          Thanks
          Peter

          BMW R 1250 GS
          MRA Navigation & SilverFox C1 Controller
          BMW Connected Ride Cradle
          SPC Universal mount
          Motorola Edge 40
          Sena SLR 3
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          • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

            I've ordered a C1 controller. Awaiting production and shipment so I guess I'll know more in three weeks (next production batch is over 2 weeks).

            And indeed, that is unfortunately not possible.
            As MRA we do not ambition creating hardware such as Carpe Iter so indeed, using their module is on of the ways to integrate with BMW.

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            @Corjan-Meijerink Hi Corjan, I already got my C1 Controller and I installed everthing needed 😉

            Functions with Control Joystick
            zooming in and out 👍
            Re-center by klick upwards 👍
            No function so far when clicking down ?

            Functions with the panning Joystick
            Map moving to the left, right, up and down 👍

            Would be great to be informed whether there are some other functions available, eg. press and hold >> by one or both Joysticks.

            Thanks in advance
            Peter

            BMW R 1250 GS
            MRA Navigation & SilverFox C1 Controller
            BMW Connected Ride Cradle
            SPC Universal mount
            Motorola Edge 40
            Sena SLR 3
            Sena 50 R

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            • Peter Zehentreiterundefined Peter Zehentreiter

              @Corjan-Meijerink Hi Corjan, I already got my C1 Controller and I installed everthing needed 😉

              Functions with Control Joystick
              zooming in and out 👍
              Re-center by klick upwards 👍
              No function so far when clicking down ?

              Functions with the panning Joystick
              Map moving to the left, right, up and down 👍

              Would be great to be informed whether there are some other functions available, eg. press and hold >> by one or both Joysticks.

              Thanks in advance
              Peter

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              @Peter-Zehentreiter Hello Peter I have also the C1 controller, are you using it on the T865 tablet? I can pan in all directions with the right controller but the left controller doesn't do anything, I'm wondering if it needs to be in F1 or F2?
              Thanks Jay

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              • Jay Salvoundefined Jay Salvo

                @Peter-Zehentreiter Hello Peter I have also the C1 controller, are you using it on the T865 tablet? I can pan in all directions with the right controller but the left controller doesn't do anything, I'm wondering if it needs to be in F1 or F2?
                Thanks Jay

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                @Jay-Salvo Hello Jay, I am using the controller on a Android mobile phone.

                The My Route App needs to be in F2 Mode

                The panning Joystick (on the right) allows me to move the map in every direction.

                The control Joystick ( on the left) allows me to zoom in and to zoom out, by moving forward or backward the Joystick.

                I can switch the moving direction of the control Joystick ( means you can decide by your self whether zoom in or out when moving the Joystick forward or backward.

                By clicking up the Controller Joystick, the Map is re- centering.

                For Google Maps you need to be in F1 Mode

                It is mandatory to install the Button app from the SilverFox Webste.

                I also recommend to do the firmware update , explained on the SilverFox Website as well.

                I will make a short video today and will provide it here.

                Regards
                Peter

                BMW R 1250 GS
                MRA Navigation & SilverFox C1 Controller
                BMW Connected Ride Cradle
                SPC Universal mount
                Motorola Edge 40
                Sena SLR 3
                Sena 50 R

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                • Peter Zehentreiterundefined Peter Zehentreiter

                  @Jay-Salvo Hello Jay, I am using the controller on a Android mobile phone.

                  The My Route App needs to be in F2 Mode

                  The panning Joystick (on the right) allows me to move the map in every direction.

                  The control Joystick ( on the left) allows me to zoom in and to zoom out, by moving forward or backward the Joystick.

                  I can switch the moving direction of the control Joystick ( means you can decide by your self whether zoom in or out when moving the Joystick forward or backward.

                  By clicking up the Controller Joystick, the Map is re- centering.

                  For Google Maps you need to be in F1 Mode

                  It is mandatory to install the Button app from the SilverFox Webste.

                  I also recommend to do the firmware update , explained on the SilverFox Website as well.

                  I will make a short video today and will provide it here.

                  Regards
                  Peter

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                  @Peter-Zehentreiter Thanks Peter, I look forward to the video.

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                    @Peter-Zehentreiter Thanks Peter, I look forward to the video.

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                    @Jay-Salvo Hi Jay, please find the video here
                    https://1drv.ms/f/c/94b7ec629bb8bee5/EvfwBuww8BpLmoF32H5NurABfok3Ae1s7EZ6WcZvUGx-Aw?e=eu5KqF

                    BMW R 1250 GS
                    MRA Navigation & SilverFox C1 Controller
                    BMW Connected Ride Cradle
                    SPC Universal mount
                    Motorola Edge 40
                    Sena SLR 3
                    Sena 50 R

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                    • Peter Zehentreiterundefined Peter Zehentreiter

                      @Jay-Salvo Hi Jay, please find the video here
                      https://1drv.ms/f/c/94b7ec629bb8bee5/EvfwBuww8BpLmoF32H5NurABfok3Ae1s7EZ6WcZvUGx-Aw?e=eu5KqF

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                      @Peter-Zehentreiter said in SilverFox Controller C 1:

                      https://1drv.ms/f/c/94b7ec629bb8bee5/EvfwBuww8BpLmoF32H5NurABfok3Ae1s7EZ6WcZvUGx-Aw?e=eu5KqF

                      Thanks Peter, I've seen the video really appreciated. I will give it a try tomorrow.

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                      • Jay Salvoundefined Jay Salvo

                        @Peter-Zehentreiter said in SilverFox Controller C 1:

                        https://1drv.ms/f/c/94b7ec629bb8bee5/EvfwBuww8BpLmoF32H5NurABfok3Ae1s7EZ6WcZvUGx-Aw?e=eu5KqF

                        Thanks Peter, I've seen the video really appreciated. I will give it a try tomorrow.

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                        @Jay-Salvo I bought the T865x recently and currently in doubt to order the C1 controller. MRA works flawless and much better and cleaner than on my previous AA device. But a BT controller would make the combination just that extra little bit more convenient and safer. I'll wait for Corjan's test before I'll decide.
                        I have read that previous Silverfox controllers had more input options, such as holding down a button for longer, for example, but I'm curious to read your experiences so far. TIA

                        '07 BMW R1200RT
                        DMD² T865x tablet
                        Silverfox C1 controller
                        Samsung S24+
                        Cardo Spirit HD headset

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                        • Kenny Thierensundefined Kenny Thierens

                          @Jay-Salvo I bought the T865x recently and currently in doubt to order the C1 controller. MRA works flawless and much better and cleaner than on my previous AA device. But a BT controller would make the combination just that extra little bit more convenient and safer. I'll wait for Corjan's test before I'll decide.
                          I have read that previous Silverfox controllers had more input options, such as holding down a button for longer, for example, but I'm curious to read your experiences so far. TIA

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                          @Kenny-Thierens Hi Kenny, well I had a play today , I couldn't get it to zoom in using either F1 or F2., tried everything, my C1 uses the wired connection, it works brilliantly in DMD2 and you do have 4 separate options on the left joystick and 4 on the right since the update but only the right joystick works currently for panning in MRA. In Waze, Googlemaps it has full functions on both joysticks. Even on Kurviger it had 7 way controls and it states on the website it would be just follow mode and panning. I'm not sure who needs to implement something to address the problem, either Silverfox of MRA.

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                          • Kenny Thierensundefined Kenny Thierens

                            @Jay-Salvo I bought the T865x recently and currently in doubt to order the C1 controller. MRA works flawless and much better and cleaner than on my previous AA device. But a BT controller would make the combination just that extra little bit more convenient and safer. I'll wait for Corjan's test before I'll decide.
                            I have read that previous Silverfox controllers had more input options, such as holding down a button for longer, for example, but I'm curious to read your experiences so far. TIA

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                            @Kenny-Thierens said in SilverFox Controller C 1:

                            I have read that previous Silverfox controllers had more input options, such as holding down a button for longer, for example, but I'm curious to read your experiences so far. TIA

                            The C1 Controller has also additional input option like press and hold.
                            F2 Mode
                            Control Joystick up => letter 'C' for centering the map​
                            Control Joystick up and hold => letter 'D' extra functions on some apps

                            Control Joystick forward => character '-' and KEY_NUM_MINUS
                            Control Joystick forward hold + => letter 'A'​

                            Control Joystick backward => character '=' and KEY_NUM_PLUS​
                            Control Joystick backward and hold - => letter 'B'​

                            Control Joystick downward => letter 'E'
                            Control Joystick downward and hold => jumps to F1 mode and send letter 'X'

                            I am impressed by the precise operation, also the pressure points of the joystick controller are absolutely top.

                            But of course I am also curious what Corjan has to say

                            BMW R 1250 GS
                            MRA Navigation & SilverFox C1 Controller
                            BMW Connected Ride Cradle
                            SPC Universal mount
                            Motorola Edge 40
                            Sena SLR 3
                            Sena 50 R

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                            • Jay Salvoundefined Jay Salvo

                              @Kenny-Thierens Hi Kenny, well I had a play today , I couldn't get it to zoom in using either F1 or F2., tried everything, my C1 uses the wired connection, it works brilliantly in DMD2 and you do have 4 separate options on the left joystick and 4 on the right since the update but only the right joystick works currently for panning in MRA. In Waze, Googlemaps it has full functions on both joysticks. Even on Kurviger it had 7 way controls and it states on the website it would be just follow mode and panning. I'm not sure who needs to implement something to address the problem, either Silverfox of MRA.

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                              @Jay-Salvo Hi Jay, I don't know if this is relevant for you, I had to install the Button App to get Apps of the F1 Mode running "Google Maps" Riku from SilverFox told me, I have to make sure that the cable connection has to be disabled.

                              You are writing, that you are using the cable connection maybe that is causing some problems on your side ?

                              BMW R 1250 GS
                              MRA Navigation & SilverFox C1 Controller
                              BMW Connected Ride Cradle
                              SPC Universal mount
                              Motorola Edge 40
                              Sena SLR 3
                              Sena 50 R

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                                @Jay-Salvo Hi Jay, I don't know if this is relevant for you, I had to install the Button App to get Apps of the F1 Mode running "Google Maps" Riku from SilverFox told me, I have to make sure that the cable connection has to be disabled.

                                You are writing, that you are using the cable connection maybe that is causing some problems on your side ?

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                                @Peter-Zehentreiter Hi Peter, as Im using the DMD2 tablet it already has the button app when shipped, I've updated it and the C1 works in Googlemaps with cable connection as do Waze, Kurviger and DMD2 but MRA won't. I can't easily disconnect it to try the C1 with bluetooth on MRA so I will have to wait and see how Corjan gets on when he receives his C1.

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                                • Jay Salvoundefined Jay Salvo

                                  @Peter-Zehentreiter Hi Peter, as Im using the DMD2 tablet it already has the button app when shipped, I've updated it and the C1 works in Googlemaps with cable connection as do Waze, Kurviger and DMD2 but MRA won't. I can't easily disconnect it to try the C1 with bluetooth on MRA so I will have to wait and see how Corjan gets on when he receives his C1.

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                                  @Corjan-Meijerink Sorry to bother you. Have you had a chance to test your new C1 controller? Once I am sure all functions work in MRA Navigation, I will order this controller.
                                  Thank you in advance.

                                  '07 BMW R1200RT
                                  DMD² T865x tablet
                                  Silverfox C1 controller
                                  Samsung S24+
                                  Cardo Spirit HD headset

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                                    @Peter-Zehentreiter Hi Peter, as Im using the DMD2 tablet it already has the button app when shipped, I've updated it and the C1 works in Googlemaps with cable connection as do Waze, Kurviger and DMD2 but MRA won't. I can't easily disconnect it to try the C1 with bluetooth on MRA so I will have to wait and see how Corjan gets on when he receives his C1.

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                                    @Jay-Salvo said in SilverFox Controller C 1:

                                    ...Im using the DMD2 tablet it already has the button app when shipped, I've updated it...

                                    Please, how could you update the Button App? Which version do you have on your device now?

                                    Nothing is impossible ;-)
                                    In past: GARMIN Zumo 210->GARMIN Zumo 395->GARMIN XT=> now: DMD T865-X + MyRoute-App, LocusMaps, OsmAnd.
                                    In past: GARMIN MapSource ->GARMIN BaseCamp->Tyre->Kurviger->Calimoto=> now: MRA-Routplanner.

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                                      @Jay-Salvo said in SilverFox Controller C 1:

                                      ...Im using the DMD2 tablet it already has the button app when shipped, I've updated it...

                                      Please, how could you update the Button App? Which version do you have on your device now?

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                                      @Guzzist Hi they sent me an email, this it it pasted(im just trying to work out how I can pass you the zip file they sent:

                                      Hi,

                                      We have done integration work with DMD2 app and Firmware update for C1 controller is needed.

                                      After this update, F-mode toggle is implemented by "pinching" the joysticks: The Control (left) joystick to right and The Panning (right) joystick to left.

                                      After this update in F1 mode, you can define all Controller joystick moves (4 of them) into action in DMD2 app. As well the cable connection is now fully supported in DMD2 and Buttons app.

                                      Please follow the link https://www.silverfoxcontrollers.com/c1update for installation instructions.

                                      The update file is attached on this email

                                      Sama suomeksi:

                                      Olemme tehneet integrointityötä DMD2 ohjelman kanssa ja Firmware päivitys C1 ohjaimeen on tarpeen.

                                      Tämän päivityksen jälkeen F-moodit vaihtuu "puristamalla" joystickeja toisiaan kohden: Vasenta oikealle ja Oikeaa vasemmalle.

                                      Päivityksen jälkeen F1 tilassa voit määritellä kaikki 4 suuntaa DMD2 toiminnoiksi. Myös kaapeliyhteys (serial connection) on täysin tuettu DMD2 ja Buttons -ohjelmissa.

                                      Seuraa linkkiä https://www.silverfoxcontrollers.com/c1update

                                      Päivitys tiedosto on liitetiedostona tässä sähköpostissa.

                                      Best Regards

                                      Riku Pasanen
                                      tel+358 40570 2779

                                      www.silverfoxcontrollers.com
                                      www.facebook.com/SilverFoxcontrollers

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                                        @Jay-Salvo said in SilverFox Controller C 1:

                                        ...Im using the DMD2 tablet it already has the button app when shipped, I've updated it...

                                        Please, how could you update the Button App? Which version do you have on your device now?

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                                        @Guzzist You can download it from their site here:

                                        https://www.silverfoxcontrollers.com/c1update

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                                        • Jay Salvoundefined Jay Salvo

                                          @Guzzist You can download it from their site here:

                                          https://www.silverfoxcontrollers.com/c1update

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                                          @Jay-Salvo thank you very much for detailed information. But I just wondered how to update the Button App. I don't intend to use SilverFox controller.

                                          Nothing is impossible ;-)
                                          In past: GARMIN Zumo 210->GARMIN Zumo 395->GARMIN XT=> now: DMD T865-X + MyRoute-App, LocusMaps, OsmAnd.
                                          In past: GARMIN MapSource ->GARMIN BaseCamp->Tyre->Kurviger->Calimoto=> now: MRA-Routplanner.

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