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  • Corrado Miniati 0undefined Offline
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    Notice these two itineraries, always using the same algorithm Here, in one case the route planner calculates an additional useless stretch of road, why?

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    • Corrado Miniati 0undefined Corrado Miniati 0

      Notice these two itineraries, always using the same algorithm Here, in one case the route planner calculates an additional useless stretch of road, why?

      5e79059f-ed40-4e4f-ac07-87714c89deb2-image.png

      9249d9f7-bc11-4d2e-9cba-fd141b81995a-image.png

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      Corjan Meijerink
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      @Corrado-Miniati-0 curious what vehicle you are using.

      A possibility is that the left turn (where that weird loop starts) is prohibited for the selected vehicle. If not using a custom vehicle but just a car / bike this can still be a prohibited turn too but also a mapping error.

      These can be reported here: https://mapfeedback.here.com/#/report

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      • Corrado Miniati 0undefined Corrado Miniati 0

        Notice these two itineraries, always using the same algorithm Here, in one case the route planner calculates an additional useless stretch of road, why?

        5e79059f-ed40-4e4f-ac07-87714c89deb2-image.png

        9249d9f7-bc11-4d2e-9cba-fd141b81995a-image.png

        Nick Carthewundefined Offline
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        #3

        @Corrado-Miniati-0 The HERE WeGo website shows the same route as your MRA route so the problem is with the HERE map. I agree with @Corjan-Meijerink that you should report the problem to HERE Map Feedback. I have just reported the problem, the more people that report the problem, the more chance we have of seeing it fixed.

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        Always willing to help if I can.
        Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
        MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
        Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
        Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
        TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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        • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

          @Corrado-Miniati-0 curious what vehicle you are using.

          A possibility is that the left turn (where that weird loop starts) is prohibited for the selected vehicle. If not using a custom vehicle but just a car / bike this can still be a prohibited turn too but also a mapping error.

          These can be reported here: https://mapfeedback.here.com/#/report

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          @Corjan-Meijerink
          Hi Corjan and thanks a lot for the feedback.
          The vehicle of the 2 itineraries is always the same (motorcycle) and the left turn is allowed as visible on Street View and as indicated on the TomTom map, what I don't understand because in the same itinerary Reverse Here calculates the turn correctly.

          2a6dd64d-3303-40b6-a366-5446e2ff607a-image.png

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          • Corrado Miniati 0undefined Corrado Miniati 0

            @Corjan-Meijerink
            Hi Corjan and thanks a lot for the feedback.
            The vehicle of the 2 itineraries is always the same (motorcycle) and the left turn is allowed as visible on Street View and as indicated on the TomTom map, what I don't understand because in the same itinerary Reverse Here calculates the turn correctly.

            2a6dd64d-3303-40b6-a366-5446e2ff607a-image.png

            63953712-9653-4c6f-8388-a6491d240848-image.png

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            @Corrado-Miniati-0
            Hi Nick, ok I report it to Here.

            Thanks a lot

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            • Corrado Miniati 0undefined Corrado Miniati 0

              @Corjan-Meijerink
              Hi Corjan and thanks a lot for the feedback.
              The vehicle of the 2 itineraries is always the same (motorcycle) and the left turn is allowed as visible on Street View and as indicated on the TomTom map, what I don't understand because in the same itinerary Reverse Here calculates the turn correctly.

              2a6dd64d-3303-40b6-a366-5446e2ff607a-image.png

              63953712-9653-4c6f-8388-a6491d240848-image.png

              Nick Carthewundefined Offline
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              RouteXperts Instructor
              wrote on last edited by Nick Carthew
              #6

              @Corrado-Miniati-0 said in Route difference between two short identical but reversed itineraries:

              @Corjan-Meijerink
              Hi Corjan and thanks a lot for the feedback.
              The vehicle of the 2 itineraries is always the same (motorcycle) and the left turn is allowed as visible on Street View and as indicated on the TomTom map, what I don't understand because in the same itinerary Reverse Here calculates the turn correctly.

              The reason it works in reverse is because the HERE map thinks that you cannot turn left when travelling from the east. But it is ok to turn right.

              Always willing to help if I can.
              Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
              MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
              Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
              Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
              TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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              • Corrado Miniati 0undefined Corrado Miniati 0

                @Corjan-Meijerink
                Hi Corjan and thanks a lot for the feedback.
                The vehicle of the 2 itineraries is always the same (motorcycle) and the left turn is allowed as visible on Street View and as indicated on the TomTom map, what I don't understand because in the same itinerary Reverse Here calculates the turn correctly.

                2a6dd64d-3303-40b6-a366-5446e2ff607a-image.png

                63953712-9653-4c6f-8388-a6491d240848-image.png

                Con Hennekensundefined Offline
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                #7

                @Corrado-Miniati-0, Streetmap is very handy, but usually far more outdated than map material (even HERE's 😉 )

                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                  @Corrado-Miniati-0, Streetmap is very handy, but usually far more outdated than map material (even HERE's 😉 )

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                  RouteXperts Instructor
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                  @Con-Hennekens You can check the date of the StreetView by clicking View on Google Maps.

                  69831757-4ec2-414a-9c50-bd5d29874ece-image.png

                  You can see that this was taken in July 2023, and you can see other dates by clicking See more dates.
                  5a0a267e-4f3f-4278-87cc-06847bc0e42c-image.png

                  Always willing to help if I can.
                  Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                  MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                  Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                  Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                  TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                  • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

                    @Con-Hennekens You can check the date of the StreetView by clicking View on Google Maps.

                    69831757-4ec2-414a-9c50-bd5d29874ece-image.png

                    You can see that this was taken in July 2023, and you can see other dates by clicking See more dates.
                    5a0a267e-4f3f-4278-87cc-06847bc0e42c-image.png

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                    wrote on last edited by Con Hennekens
                    #9

                    @Nick-Carthew, Yes I know, but it shows you cannot take the situation for granted. This is half a year, often it is much older. I've been trying this for the place where I work, with some hilarious results:

                    This is the picture I get from the MRA planner:
                    0fab4d0f-55b4-456c-ab3d-633200c1ef84-image.png

                    Looks like me and some colleagues are OoO at the moment 😉 Based on trees and wheather and one of the cars this must be somewhere late previous winter.

                    Now I am getting this from GMaps:
                    5ffa71d4-5a2b-4f1a-ae91-3e4ff36cf2d6-image.png

                    This time I am at the office 😉 and the timestamp says August 2020...

                    I don't know where MRA gets the imagery from, but it seems far more recent than Google their own map.

                    EDIT:
                    A second attempt on GMaps actually shows a picture that looks A LOT like the one I got through MRA but is NOT the same!

                    05c35de2-e4a4-4106-8db6-18ff032fd27c-image.png

                    This one is a nice "search the differences" game, and is dated April 2023.
                    So now we have in 2 minutes 3 different Streetview pictures of the same building...

                    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                    • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                      @Nick-Carthew, Yes I know, but it shows you cannot take the situation for granted. This is half a year, often it is much older. I've been trying this for the place where I work, with some hilarious results:

                      This is the picture I get from the MRA planner:
                      0fab4d0f-55b4-456c-ab3d-633200c1ef84-image.png

                      Looks like me and some colleagues are OoO at the moment 😉 Based on trees and wheather and one of the cars this must be somewhere late previous winter.

                      Now I am getting this from GMaps:
                      5ffa71d4-5a2b-4f1a-ae91-3e4ff36cf2d6-image.png

                      This time I am at the office 😉 and the timestamp says August 2020...

                      I don't know where MRA gets the imagery from, but it seems far more recent than Google their own map.

                      EDIT:
                      A second attempt on GMaps actually shows a picture that looks A LOT like the one I got through MRA but is NOT the same!

                      05c35de2-e4a4-4106-8db6-18ff032fd27c-image.png

                      This one is a nice "search the differences" game, and is dated April 2023.
                      So now we have in 2 minutes 3 different Streetview pictures of the same building...

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                      #10

                      @Con-Hennekens
                      But a nice puzzle, you're better than Sherlock Holmes 😁

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                      • Corrado Miniati 0undefined Corrado Miniati 0

                        @Con-Hennekens
                        But a nice puzzle, you're better than Sherlock Holmes 😁

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                        @Corrado-Miniati-0, 🤣 🤣 Well I would not dare to claim that! 😉

                        I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                        Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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