Offline maps and routing

[Bouke Ent]

ik weet dat dit misschien niet direct te maken heeft met dit topic. ik begrijp dat focus van MRA is offline is geheel offline. ik heb dit in italie aantal keren gedaan en dan kreeg ik in 50% van de gevallen route is niet te bereken. er zijn inmiddels updates geweest dus misschien werkt het nu wel. ik begrijp alleen niet de keuze volledig offline. in mijn oude kurviger v1 app kan ik gewoon kiezen kaarten offline gebruiken en routing offline gebruiken. zou dit niet een betere keuze zijn om deze 2 te scheiden dan kan je in hotel met wifi route starten en met offline kaarten rijden. mocht je onderweg even geen internet hebben dan gaat alles wel door.

[Con Hennekens]

@Dikke-Wim said in Offline maps and routing:

I'm wondering: is the satellite view also downloaded when downloading a map for off-line use, or is it only the HERE map?

Goeie vraag... Gebruik jij die daadwerkelijk voor het navigeren? In eerste instantie zou ik denken van niet, want het betreft een kaartlaag. Als je ine vliegtuigmodus een route start met de sateliet-laag aan, zie ik in eerste instantie wèl de satelliet kaart, waarschijnlijk vanuit de eerder gedwonloade cache. Echter als je gaat scrollen kom je in gebieden waar de kaart heel pixelig wordt. Ik denk dat dat een soort basis-kaart betreft, maar die is niet bruikbaar voor navigatie. Voor de route maakt dat verder niet uit, (die calculeert op de gewone kaart) maar de omgeving wordt wel onherkenbaar op het scherm.

@Bouke-Ent said in Offline maps and routing:

ik begrijp alleen niet de keuze volledig offline. in mijn oude kurviger v1 app kan ik gewoon kiezen kaarten offline gebruiken en routing offline gebruiken. zou dit niet een betere keuze zijn om deze 2 te scheiden dan kan je in hotel met wifi route starten en met offline kaarten rijden.

Volgens mij is dat al precies wat we doen, toch? De optie "offline navigeren" doet precies wat Kurviger doet met "routing offline gebruiken". De Kurviger optie "Kaarten offline gebruiken" hebben we niet nodig, want dat doet MRA al vanzelf zodra de kaarten offline beschikbaar zijn. Het lijkt me vreemd dat je zou kiezen voor online kaarten als je ze al offline gedownload hebt.

[paul69]

good morning @Con-Hennekens

I told you I would report my findings following tests.
it would appear I was mistaken, although the anomaly I reported had happened a number of times, perhaps it was bug within my tablet.

my tablet had no internet connection, wifi or otherwise during these tests. this is to imagine I was in the middle of nowhere with no connection.

tests as follows;
airplane mode and offline nav enabled>power off>power on>choose favourite destination>could not navigate route>10 seconds later>navigation possible.
and the ability to search for an address and navigate to that address i.e. A-B route.
also possible to load and navigate a downloaded route including the ability to continue from a different waypoint other than the start point.

airplane mode>offline navigation disabled>power off>power on> choose different favourite>short delay>navigation possible.
point to note, offline navigation had enabled automatically.

@Con you are probably aware of the above, but maybe this will help others understand the offline nav and no internet problem.

this is why I always use offline navigation and my tablet in airplane mode, this also helps battery life.
TBF I don't need traffic reports when on my motorbike, it would be different if I was in my campervan of course.

[Con Hennekens]

@paul69, thanks, I am glad it worked out.

[paul69]

@Con-Hennekens

I believe, for me and in my experience, the best way is to always use navigation with the device in airplane mode, this was the same when using my iPhone, this prevents all the problems with internet connection being lost or intermittent.

Personally. I have not yet found a reason for the need to have an internet connection while navigating a route, pre-planned or otherwise.

Caveat, providing you have previously downloaded all the routes you had planned for the tour, which is a must, as I learned the hard way.

[Bouke Ent]

@Con-Hennekens hoe gaat offline dan om als je een regio niet gedownload hebt ? bv je hebt nederland gedownload en die zou hij dus offline pakken maar je rij belgie in pakt hij dan wel de online ? in kurviger krijg je dan al te voren melding route is niet mogelijk en op je scherm zie je geen kaart. bij kurviger v1 als je dan geheel offline ging had je optie om brouter te gebruiken maar dan moest je ook dekking hebben. ik zelf download altijd geheel mijn regio's en ik begrijp dus nu dat hij automatisch die pakt en dat scheelt al een deel van je data. hopelijk gaat offline route berekening komend jaar wel goed maar dat is afwachten.

[Con Hennekens]

@Bouke-Ent, Je route staat gecached, dus die gaat gewoon door. Je kaartweergave zal leeg zijn, maar de routelijn is nog steeds conform de werkelijkheid. Op het moment dat er iets van herberekening moet plaatsvinden ga je de mist in. Vraag me niet hoe ik dat weet...

[Bouke Ent]

@Con-Hennekens bedankt voor uitleg.

[RetiredWingMan]

@Berin many of the functions are very intuitive for basic operation. If you play with it long enough and try everything possible on the screen, eventually you learn most of it. I had a lawyer complain to me that the new phone system we installed should be intuitive enough that he should not have to attend training. I told hom that I'm sure he can figure out how to receive and make phone calls, but if he wants to learn how to make full use of the features of the system he should attend training. He eventually did.

[A Former User]

@RetiredWingMan Fascinating story, I'm sure.
However all this was resolved about 2 months ago.

[Jorge del Valle]

I've tried using offline navigation today for the first time, and it didn't work. I had both the country map and the route downloaded. My phone was in airplane mode when I launched the app. I selected the route from the downloads list, and then tapped the button to start navigation, which then resulted in this screen.

I've checked the online manual and the forums and as far as I can tell it should work as long as I've downloaded the region map and the route. Am I missing something?

Edit: I've found a forum post that I somehow missed in my initial search, where another user says they solved the problem by rebooting the phone and then waiting a few minutes when they got the message and the routing eventually started working. I'll give that a try, but is that (having to wait several minutes for offline navigation to work) expected behaviour for the app?

[Nick Carthew]

@Jorge-del-Valle Try turning off Calculate from current location to see if that makes a difference.

[Jorge del Valle]

@Nick-Carthew Thanks Nick, that worked. However I'm a bit puzzled by the meaning of that option.

What I mean is, when I turned it off it traced a route from my current location to the start of the downloaded route, so even though I'm disabling an option named "calculate from current location" it seems to actually do just that (calculate a route from my current location). It doesn't seem to do what one would expect based on the name, or maybe I'm misunderstanding its function? A search for the option in the online documentation doesn't yield any results for me.

Another thing that's strange is that, after stopping the navigation and closing the app, I then reopened it (again in offline mode) and then tried loading the same route and starting the navigation again. And this time it worked even though the "calculate from current location" was back to enabled.

[NineLizards]

@Con-Hennekens Dit is een oude thread, maar hij roept bij mij een nieuwe vraag op.

In een van de posts staat een afbeelding van het 'Functional' menu, met daarin de optie 'Gebruikte Routes en Tracks automatisch downloaden voor offline gebruik'. Die optie zie ik bij mij niet staan. Kijk ik ergens overheen?

In one of the posts there's an image of the functional menu, with an option to automatically download maps and tracks. But I don't see it on my phone. Am I overlooking something?

[RetiredWingMan]

@NineLizards that option is gone with the resent synchronisation implementation.

[RetiredWingMan]

@Jorge-del-Valle if you enable the calculate from current position then the time and distance shown will, jnclude the time and distance to you starting point. If you disable the option then the map only shows the route and the time and distance for the route. When you hit/tap navigate, you are still shown directions to your route starting point.

[NineLizards]

@RetiredWingMan Ah, okay. But now I'm completely confused about offline navigation...

What are the current steps for using offline navigation? I'm mightily confused now.

Let's assume I plan to travel through Belgium, through an area where there's no coverage. (It happens to me this week.) I assume I should download the offline maps of the region upfront, right? (It's currently giving an error message 'could not fetch latest map update information', I'm not sure if that matters).

But... how do I get my route offline? Is there a step by step manual somewhere?

[RetiredWingMan]

@NineLizards first, i presume the map error is temporary. I've seen it before and it normally corrects itself. You need to resolve the issue before you can download maps. If you continue to have problems raise a support contact. User manuals are available on the support page.

Second, I suggest enabling the synchronisation of all routes. This makes all routes available offline.

To operate in offline mode: 1. Download all maps for the areas to be traveled. 2. Synchronise your routes. 3. Turn on offline navigation in the options.
That's it, you're ready to go.

[Con Hennekens]

@NineLizards, I see your question has been answered perfectly fine by @RetiredWingMan

in short:

• download offline maps
• enable sync (preferably all, then you will never have to look at it)
• let it complete a sync once, it will resync every time you start the app or enter the routes menu automatically and download changes only (if there are any)
• enable offline navigation in the app menu

No need for confusion ever again (concerning offline routes that is... )