Navigating via MRA Navigation...
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@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
Yes, there are multiple statements made that MRA Navigation cannot route without an active internet connection. That simply is not true.
As said before, I have no experience with NAV as I am using a tomTom but I would prefer to move to NAV when that TomTom finally breaks. However, with the info available here casting doubt on the functionality of NAV... I would probably buy another TomTom.
I would not blame the users for making incorrect statements supposing that they work from their personal experience with the tool, and are not posting lies just for the sake of trolling. Point is that I am not aware of any official "table" produced by MRA that gives a clear overview of the NAV abilities. Is there one somewhere?
@nick-carthew said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
The reason that the folder structure is not used in MRA Navigation is Apple CarPlay doesn’t allow folders.
Waw nick... I am flabbergasted, bamboozeld, struck by lightning ....
I do believe you but my opinion on this is very close to the one from Stefan. I wouldn't be able to express it politely in writing, not even with <personal opinion> tags added.
It does illustrate how MRA is constrained by all the platforms it has to deal with and remain compatible with Garmin, TomTom, Apple, Android, Sygic .... A revamp of NAV should bring it in a posiiton where it integrates with the MRA routeplanner, and remains in sync with all new features added to that routeplanner.
In this situation, weaknesses of other platforms will be the limitation of those platforms, and not of MRA.
What does surprise me is the total absence of MRA in this conversation. Errors like "MRA Navigation cannot route without an active internet connection" can be easily corrected (certainly when including how to do it).
I know that the intention is that this is a community forum run by the community for the community but how can MRA consider that it is not part of that community??
wrote on 23 Jan 2022, 11:56 last edited by@drabslab said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
I would not blame the users for making incorrect statements supposing that they work from their personal experience with the tool, and are not posting lies just for the sake of trolling.
I am not saying that people are trolling, I just say that untrue statements are being made and that some other people will be misinformed by them.
@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
So people that paid for a product, didn't get the product that they PAID for, AS IT WAS ADVERTISED, should just STFU and deal with it? With no complaints at all? How FANBOYISH of you. WOW. Man, you really need to realize that this forum isn't for praising the MRA gods, it's for helping make the product better and to help others. If nobody talked about the issues and shortcomings, it would never get better.
It is not intended for bashing either. It is a subscription. If I subscribe to a newspaper, and after some time I realize I don't like it I simply unsubscribe. Simple as that. I can only say I DID get the product I paid for, I like it a lot, I prefer it above all TomTom's and Garmins. Yes there are some quirks, as do all TomTom's and Garmins have.
@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
Yes, there is, it is called events.
This is absolutely not a proper solution for organization of routes. Events are not intended for that purpose. If that feature was intended for that purpose it wouldn't be called "EVENTS"
It is ABSOLUTELY intended for the purpose of organizing your routes that belong to each other.
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wrote on 24 Jan 2022, 09:50 last edited by
@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
Again, you're expecting me to use the system the same way you do.
No, I am just pointing out how it works, and how you can take benefit from it.
You are expecting the system to work only the way you want. Life does not work that way.An event should be an event, not a random route that I ride while in an area.
Call it an event or a folder. It is just a method of grouping routes that belong to each other. Yes, it is intended for multiday trips, but equally usable for routes in a specific country, a specific year or whatever. I suspect if you have that many routes, you also do not put them on your GPS device all at once. You would have the same problem not being able to find them there...
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wrote on 24 Jan 2022, 15:57 last edited by Con Hennekens
@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
No, I'm expecting the system to work the way that makes sense to LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE, you know, with some organization? Events is for events, not random day rides.
There are no systems that work that way as far as I know. I may not have as many routes as you (I don't even know why I would want to) but large amounts of routes are easily managed within the ecosystem of MRA. The routes you want to take with you can be put into one or more events. Analogue as to how it works with Garmin plus Basecamp, MRA plus garmin devices. Probably Mydrive and TomTom but I don't know about that. It makes no sense to carry all routes always on your nav device.
But if that's the way you want to have it, it's fine with me. I think you overestimate how many people work like you do. Please find a system that does it like you want, don't keep pulling this dead horse here. Thank you.
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@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
@hans-van-de-ven-mra-master said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
can you test what you do with your Android phone with an iPhone? (from a friend)
I have my own iPhone 11. I will test with it today.
Hi @Matt-flaming, How did the iPhone test go?
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@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
No, I'm expecting the system to work the way that makes sense to LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE, you know, with some organization? Events is for events, not random day rides.
There are no systems that work that way as far as I know. I may not have as many routes as you (I don't even know why I would want to) but large amounts of routes are easily managed within the ecosystem of MRA. The routes you want to take with you can be put into one or more events. Analogue as to how it works with Garmin plus Basecamp, MRA plus garmin devices. Probably Mydrive and TomTom but I don't know about that. It makes no sense to carry all routes always on your nav device.
But if that's the way you want to have it, it's fine with me. I think you overestimate how many people work like you do. Please find a system that does it like you want, don't keep pulling this dead horse here. Thank you.
wrote on 25 Jan 2022, 04:14 last edited by Steve Lynch@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
I may not have as many routes as you (I don't even know why I would want to) but large amounts of routes are easily managed within the ecosystem of MRA
I totally agree with your comment above in general, but for those of us that do have “hundreds” of routes invested in the MRA Eco System, which for some also includes MRA Navigation, lets not pretend that it is a “Unicorn” solution.
You alluded to this in your comment to Nick regarding the CarPlay issue, that apparently dictates that MRA Navigation will never have a Folder Structure!95% of the time I use my Garmin Zumo XT for navigation and I always have my phone (Android) and a phone mount with me every time I go out for a ride as a back up.
5% of the time I choose to use MRA Navigation and will still have the Zumo XT with me as a back up.For those of us that do have “Hundreds” of routes and do use MRA Navigation, we have no choice but to “carry” all our routes all of the time, because they are automatically synced to MRA Navigation.
I personally never use events, as 95% of the time I prefer to travel alone, if am in a group ride I will never lead that group.My preference is to prep my routes for the day at home in MRA Route Planner.
Generally I will choose to head to a Biker Cafe somewhere for which I will have 5 or more different routes planned of varying lengths.
At this point I have no idea which route in that location I will want to ride.
Maybe I had too many sausages so only an hours ride will suffice, or maybe I want to make it a 4 hour stint.
I will prep all the rides in this area by going into each route in MRA Route Planner and just move the first waypoint a tiny bit, this will place those routes at the top of the list in MRA Navigation.
As I do this at home I am guaranteed an internet connection and will open MRA Navigation to ensure they are all available offline as well.On the Zumo XT I always carry these particular routes for all the Biker Cafes all the time in the Trip Planner.
“ I think you overestimate how many people work like you do?”
MRA has given us all the tools to work the way we want to .
Choices are a good thing.
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@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
I may not have as many routes as you (I don't even know why I would want to) but large amounts of routes are easily managed within the ecosystem of MRA
I totally agree with your comment above in general, but for those of us that do have “hundreds” of routes invested in the MRA Eco System, which for some also includes MRA Navigation, lets not pretend that it is a “Unicorn” solution.
You alluded to this in your comment to Nick regarding the CarPlay issue, that apparently dictates that MRA Navigation will never have a Folder Structure!95% of the time I use my Garmin Zumo XT for navigation and I always have my phone (Android) and a phone mount with me every time I go out for a ride as a back up.
5% of the time I choose to use MRA Navigation and will still have the Zumo XT with me as a back up.For those of us that do have “Hundreds” of routes and do use MRA Navigation, we have no choice but to “carry” all our routes all of the time, because they are automatically synced to MRA Navigation.
I personally never use events, as 95% of the time I prefer to travel alone, if am in a group ride I will never lead that group.My preference is to prep my routes for the day at home in MRA Route Planner.
Generally I will choose to head to a Biker Cafe somewhere for which I will have 5 or more different routes planned of varying lengths.
At this point I have no idea which route in that location I will want to ride.
Maybe I had too many sausages so only an hours ride will suffice, or maybe I want to make it a 4 hour stint.
I will prep all the rides in this area by going into each route in MRA Route Planner and just move the first waypoint a tiny bit, this will place those routes at the top of the list in MRA Navigation.
As I do this at home I am guaranteed an internet connection and will open MRA Navigation to ensure they are all available offline as well.On the Zumo XT I always carry these particular routes for all the Biker Cafes all the time in the Trip Planner.
“ I think you overestimate how many people work like you do?”
MRA has given us all the tools to work the way we want to .
Choices are a good thing.wrote on 25 Jan 2022, 13:46 last edited by@steve-lynch
Thanks for your elaborate description. I have a few comments.- Instead of relocating the first waypoint of a route in order to get them to the top of the list, you can simply choose edit (the pencil symbol) behind the route in your overview, and click save in the appearing window, without actually editing anything. That does the same but less work.
- If I am correct my Zumo 390 (that I left untouched for the past 3 years in favor of Navigation) can handle a maximum of 100 trips in the trip planner. It is HELL to scroll through so many routes on a Zumo, where also the Zumo does not use any folder structure.
- As a workaround you can put thousands of GPX files on an SD card and only import the ones you have interest in at a specific time, but also it is HELL to have to do that, and I am really unsure of the import function handles a folder structure. Maybe things improved on the XT, I really don't know, but Garmin is not known for such userfriendly things.
- Most Zumo users prepare their device before they leave and transfer routes they might have interest in to their device. I see little difference in how I prepare Navigation before I leave with putting routes at the top of the list, or put them in a "throw-away" event from within MRA.
- Using events has little to do with traveling in groups. As stated before it is just a method of distinguishing routes. With the added benefit of easy distribution, but you can leave out all whistles and bells if you have no interest in them.
- Yes choices are a good thing. I would like to choose for a folder structure as well, obviously. But it isn't there and for little people it is a showstopper. But I would welcome it very much.
- Regarding the Carplay statement, indeed I do not think that it is a real argument for not developing the folder-structure in Navigation. Navigation is much older than the Carplay compatibility. I think not allowing a folderstructure in Carplay has reasons of safety (searching while driving) but in my opinion searching through a much too long list is more evil than making multiple little uninterruptible steps searching through folders. I also think there MUST be a way to detect the use of carplay, and thus presenting a folderless list ONLY when connected through Carplay. Hopefuly MRA will research this option.
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@steve-lynch
Thanks for your elaborate description. I have a few comments.- Instead of relocating the first waypoint of a route in order to get them to the top of the list, you can simply choose edit (the pencil symbol) behind the route in your overview, and click save in the appearing window, without actually editing anything. That does the same but less work.
- If I am correct my Zumo 390 (that I left untouched for the past 3 years in favor of Navigation) can handle a maximum of 100 trips in the trip planner. It is HELL to scroll through so many routes on a Zumo, where also the Zumo does not use any folder structure.
- As a workaround you can put thousands of GPX files on an SD card and only import the ones you have interest in at a specific time, but also it is HELL to have to do that, and I am really unsure of the import function handles a folder structure. Maybe things improved on the XT, I really don't know, but Garmin is not known for such userfriendly things.
- Most Zumo users prepare their device before they leave and transfer routes they might have interest in to their device. I see little difference in how I prepare Navigation before I leave with putting routes at the top of the list, or put them in a "throw-away" event from within MRA.
- Using events has little to do with traveling in groups. As stated before it is just a method of distinguishing routes. With the added benefit of easy distribution, but you can leave out all whistles and bells if you have no interest in them.
- Yes choices are a good thing. I would like to choose for a folder structure as well, obviously. But it isn't there and for little people it is a showstopper. But I would welcome it very much.
- Regarding the Carplay statement, indeed I do not think that it is a real argument for not developing the folder-structure in Navigation. Navigation is much older than the Carplay compatibility. I think not allowing a folderstructure in Carplay has reasons of safety (searching while driving) but in my opinion searching through a much too long list is more evil than making multiple little uninterruptible steps searching through folders. I also think there MUST be a way to detect the use of carplay, and thus presenting a folderless list ONLY when connected through Carplay. Hopefuly MRA will research this option.
wrote on 25 Jan 2022, 16:03 last edited byGood tip for easily putting routes to the top of the list.
I’ll use that, thanks.The Garmin Zumo XT has Unlimited GPX Files, Unlimited Waypoints, 200 Waypoints per Route.
With the caveat below.
Contingent on the fact that the device has enough storage space -
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@matt-flaming said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
And with the Zumo XT, we can transfer them wirelessly from our phone on the road.
I am still unsure where our differences come from. I also load any route, on my phone, on the road, with Navigation.
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@steve-lynch
Thanks for your elaborate description. I have a few comments.- Instead of relocating the first waypoint of a route in order to get them to the top of the list, you can simply choose edit (the pencil symbol) behind the route in your overview, and click save in the appearing window, without actually editing anything. That does the same but less work.
- If I am correct my Zumo 390 (that I left untouched for the past 3 years in favor of Navigation) can handle a maximum of 100 trips in the trip planner. It is HELL to scroll through so many routes on a Zumo, where also the Zumo does not use any folder structure.
- As a workaround you can put thousands of GPX files on an SD card and only import the ones you have interest in at a specific time, but also it is HELL to have to do that, and I am really unsure of the import function handles a folder structure. Maybe things improved on the XT, I really don't know, but Garmin is not known for such userfriendly things.
- Most Zumo users prepare their device before they leave and transfer routes they might have interest in to their device. I see little difference in how I prepare Navigation before I leave with putting routes at the top of the list, or put them in a "throw-away" event from within MRA.
- Using events has little to do with traveling in groups. As stated before it is just a method of distinguishing routes. With the added benefit of easy distribution, but you can leave out all whistles and bells if you have no interest in them.
- Yes choices are a good thing. I would like to choose for a folder structure as well, obviously. But it isn't there and for little people it is a showstopper. But I would welcome it very much.
- Regarding the Carplay statement, indeed I do not think that it is a real argument for not developing the folder-structure in Navigation. Navigation is much older than the Carplay compatibility. I think not allowing a folderstructure in Carplay has reasons of safety (searching while driving) but in my opinion searching through a much too long list is more evil than making multiple little uninterruptible steps searching through folders. I also think there MUST be a way to detect the use of carplay, and thus presenting a folderless list ONLY when connected through Carplay. Hopefuly MRA will research this option.
wrote on 1 Feb 2022, 14:14 last edited by@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
think not allowing a folderstructure in Carplay has reasons of safety (searching while driving) but in my opinion searching through a much too long list is more evil than making multiple little uninterruptible steps searching through folders. I also think there MUST be a way to detect the use of carplay, and thus presenting a folderless list ONLY when connected through Carplay.
For the sake of safety, MRA should block all user input (except those really relevant when driving) when the tool detects that it is driving.
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@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
think not allowing a folderstructure in Carplay has reasons of safety (searching while driving) but in my opinion searching through a much too long list is more evil than making multiple little uninterruptible steps searching through folders. I also think there MUST be a way to detect the use of carplay, and thus presenting a folderless list ONLY when connected through Carplay.
For the sake of safety, MRA should block all user input (except those really relevant when driving) when the tool detects that it is driving.
wrote on 2 Feb 2022, 14:10 last edited by@drabslab said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
For the sake of safety, MRA should block all user input (except those really relevant when driving) when the tool detects that it is driving.
Yes that is a good idea (leave skipping to next waypoint available!). But please make it a feature that can be disabled. Many users also use Navigation in cars campers or even sidecarts. And why would a passenger be obstructed in changing navigation parameters...
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@drabslab said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
For the sake of safety, MRA should block all user input (except those really relevant when driving) when the tool detects that it is driving.
Yes that is a good idea (leave skipping to next waypoint available!). But please make it a feature that can be disabled. Many users also use Navigation in cars campers or even sidecarts. And why would a passenger be obstructed in changing navigation parameters...
wrote on 2 Feb 2022, 16:18 last edited by@con-hennekens said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
@drabslab said in Navigating via MRA Navigation...:
For the sake of safety, MRA should block all user input (except those really relevant when driving) when the tool detects that it is driving.
Yes that is a good idea (leave skipping to next waypoint available!). But please make it a feature that can be disabled. Many users also use Navigation in cars campers or even sidecarts. And why would a passenger be obstructed in changing navigation parameters...
Indeed, adding it as an option is the best solution provided that the default is that this option is activated
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@mark-panarusky The reason that the folder structure is not used in MRA Navigation is Apple CarPlay doesn’t allow folders. If you have a group of routes that you plan to use on a tour, you can create an Event and add all of those routes to it. Choose Events from the opening page of MRA Navigation and select the route that you need. It’s very easy to do.
wrote on 2 Mar 2022, 20:22 last edited by@nick-carthew How is it that Scenic navigation app allows folders and POI folders? It has Apple Car Play.
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