Assign a via point/waypoint number

[Corrado Miniati 0]

I really appreciate all the feedback and am pleased to see the interest in the topic. I'll try to better explain the origins of my request.
From my PC on Route Lab, when I start planning a trip, I enter the coordinates of the places I'd like to visit, but without any "geographical" order. I do it randomly, following the information I find online and that I already know.
Consequently, there are points on the map that don't follow a logical order of the trip because I only do this once I've completed all the planning.
Only then do I begin to arrange the various points in a logical travel order. So far, the only way I've found is to drag the points one by one to the correct position in the "Waypoint" list with the mouse. However, if the list is very long, not all the points are visible on the screen, and dragging the mouse is time-consuming and not easy. To move a point before or after the visible list, I have to do a sort of back-and-forth with the point always clicked, otherwise the scrolling gets stuck and doesn't flow smoothly.
It would be much easier to be able to rename the points' placement, because the map immediately shows the logical order of my trip.
Just as an example, in the map below I've simulated a trip with just a few waypoints. It would already be obvious to me that:

• waypoint 9 should become waypoint 5
• waypoint 5 should become waypoint 7
• waypoint 7 should become waypoint 8

If you're thinking of an itinerary with dozens and dozens of waypoints, then it's clear that renaming the waypoints would be a very welcome option.
I hope Corjan considers this possibility.

Thanks

[Corrado Miniati 0]

[Guzzist]

@Corrado-Miniati-0 I have got your point, because I do planning for journeys similar.
The system knows about the routepoint numbers and is using it for sorting the items in the list. Also the number is populated in the list item.
May it would be possible, to get the populated number as editable. I see: manual sorting of a long list will then become quicker.

[Corrado Miniati 0]

"May it would be possible, to get the populated number as editable".
This is exactly my propose to Corjan.

[Brian McG]

Hi @Corrado-Miniati-0 to me your method of planning a route is a bit unusual, it is not the regular way routes are planned in MRA hence why your having the pain of reordering your points
I am not saying your method is wrong it is just not the regular way of using MRA for creating a route

One suggestion that might ease your pain could be to type the coordinates of your points into a CSV file via a text editor or Excel
You can then upload these points into MRA as Points of Interest (POI)
You then start adding route (waypoints) next to each of the POI in the order you wish
Then you can delete remove the POI's & your left with the route you want

just a suggestion that may be a little less painful

[Lex.Kloet.RX]

@Brian-McG that is exactly, what I wanted to type, but I was stuck in a big portion if French fries with Dutch mayonaise and homemade peanutbuttersauce. Or, as we call it in the Netherlands a "patatje oorlog" or fries at war

[Corrado Miniati 0]

@Brian McG:
It may be that my planning system is unusual, but I've always found it convenient to plan this way.
Thanks for your suggestion, too; it's very clever, but even this way involves extra work outside of MRA, and it's probably not faster than moving waypoints from the list directly into MRA.

[Brian McG]

@Corrado-Miniati-0 sorry you do not see the advantages of the method I proposed
I do not think it is extra work,
currently you type in the coordinates in MRA, in the proposed method you type them in Excel & just import the csv
so now you are in the same state as you would be with your current method

with your method you now have to sort the order of all your points
with the proposed method all you have to do is click next to each of the POI in the order you wish the route to be
IMO it would be a lot faster & a lot easier than your current method, especially if you have a large number of points

I hope you try it & see, there are other advantages to having your points captured in a POI list

[Corrado Miniati 0]

Thanks so much for your support.
I tried, but it doesn't work. Could you please show me how to set the coordinates in Excel and what CSV format you choose for saving?

[Mzokk]

Your CSV need to be Long, Lat and a description of the POI.
Here's one of mine.

[Mzokk]

This is what the uploaded POI's look like.

[Corrado Miniati 0]

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[Corrado Miniati 0]

I discovered that MRA doesn't display POIs from csv file if they're imported as lat-lon instead of lon-lat.
My Google Maps displays them as lat-lon, and in Excel I have to reverse the parameters. Why?

However, there is an alternative method, but it would be appreciated if MRA allowed renaming the waypoint positions.

[Brian McG]

@Corrado-Miniati-0 the easy way to understand the format is to create a map / route in MRA with some POI's
then save the route as a CSV
you can then inspect the csv & replicate the format

when you create your own custom CSV to import your points, import it via the Library tab
you will need to zoom into >=10km to see the imported POI's

yes the lon-lat v lat-lon is an oddity of MRA, I dont know why, maybe it is a dutch thing
the points will be displayed just not in the part of the world you are expecting to find them

[Corrado Miniati 0]

Thanks, maybe Corjan could check if the lat-lon vs lon-lat theme is a bug

[Corjan Meijerink]

It definitely is not a bug
Do I find it logical for a user perspective? No.
Will I change it? No. Mainly because everyone using this is now used to that.

I do know the origin of these things.
Lat / lon is preferred by humans but I don’t know why. Lon / lat is however mathematically the correct order Longitude representing the horizontal (x) axis and Latitude the vertical (y) axis.

[Guzzist]

@Corjan-Meijerink said in Assign a via point/waypoint number:

...Lon / Lat is however mathematically the correct order Longitude representing the horizontal (x) axis and Latitude the vertical (y) axis.

uhh, I believe it's not 100% correct explained.

• The geographical length, also called longitude (international abbreviation long or LON), describes the position east or west of a defined (arbitrarily defined) north-south line, the zero meridian. It's following the vertical earth axis.
• The geographical latitude, also called geodetic lat or (international abbreviation Lat. or LAT), describes the position north or south of a defined line round the earth, parallel to the Earth's horizontal equator.

But the rest, Corjan - you may know better than me