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Another day MyRoute-app screwed up My Route

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  • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

    @Marinus-van-Deudekom
    Something to add to your comment.

    When waypoints are way off route/road and you're riding a route (not a track). How can MRA Navigation (or other navigation) hit those waypoints when they are not on the road or very close to the road.
    Those waypoints causes recalculations just because the waypoints are too far off-road.

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    @M-Schrijver Understand. That’s why I am suggesting a radius for the waypoint hits. If you pass the waypoint within that distance the waypoint is considered as hit.

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    • Ton Machielsenundefined Ton Machielsen

      @Marinus-van-Deudekom

      I get 18…
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      On the CarPlay I get none.
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      @Ton-Machielsen
      Ahh cause found.
      You've select "start at nearest waypoint" that is Waypoint 18 in your case. Unselect this option and try again.

      (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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      • Ton Machielsenundefined Ton Machielsen

        @M-Schrijver Understand. That’s why I am suggesting a radius for the waypoint hits. If you pass the waypoint within that distance the waypoint is considered as hit.

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        RouteXperts
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        @Ton-Machielsen when navigating with the nex app is will go OK. If you would use such a route in lets say an Garmin XT, you would be in great trouble.
        That's why we have and use MRA next

        Honda Goldwing GL1500,
        Honda Silverwing GL 650
        DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
        Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
        Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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        • Ton Machielsenundefined Ton Machielsen

          @M-Schrijver Understand. That’s why I am suggesting a radius for the waypoint hits. If you pass the waypoint within that distance the waypoint is considered as hit.

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          @Ton-Machielsen
          There is already a radius. But this radius is limited for a reason. Point 7, 11, 12 and 16 on route shows why. It is normal practice that you do your best to place the waypoints on the road.

          (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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          • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

            @Ton-Machielsen
            Ahh cause found.
            You've select "start at nearest waypoint" that is Waypoint 18 in your case. Unselect this option and try again.

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            • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

              @Ton-Machielsen
              Ahh cause found.
              You've select "start at nearest waypoint" that is Waypoint 18 in your case. Unselect this option and try again.

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              @M-Schrijver Where can I find this setting?

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                #26

                It is the first option below de "start" button

                Screenshot_20250316-181339.png

                (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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                  Ha! Never seen that menu before!! Thanks!

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                    Any idea why I don’t get the waypoint hand and Skip Waypoint icon on the CarPlay? (see https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/61333)

                    Remember I am on a bike. I have the phone in my pocket and am navigating through the CarPlay device.

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                    • Ton Machielsenundefined Ton Machielsen

                      Any idea why I don’t get the waypoint hand and Skip Waypoint icon on the CarPlay? (see https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/61333)

                      Remember I am on a bike. I have the phone in my pocket and am navigating through the CarPlay device.

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                      RouteXperts
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                      @Ton-Machielsen Due to restrictions by Apple and Google the viapoint sign is NOT on Androis Auto and Carplay

                      Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                      Honda Silverwing GL 650
                      DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                      Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                      Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                      • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

                        @Marinus-van-Deudekom
                        Something to add to your comment.

                        When waypoints are way off route/road and you're riding a route (not a track). How can MRA Navigation (or other navigation) hit those waypoints when they are not on the road or very close to the road.
                        Those waypoints causes recalculations just because the waypoints are too far off-road.

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                        @M-Schrijver Is the “Navigate routes as tracks” option my solution?

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                        • Ton Machielsenundefined Ton Machielsen

                          @M-Schrijver Understand. That’s why I am suggesting a radius for the waypoint hits. If you pass the waypoint within that distance the waypoint is considered as hit.

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                          @Ton-Machielsen said in Another day MyRoute-app screwed up My Route:

                          @M-Schrijver Understand. That’s why I am suggesting a radius for the waypoint hits. If you pass the waypoint within that distance the waypoint is considered as hit.

                          That is a sensible suggestion - agreed, but I suspect the radius must change depending on the circumstances. Roads that are close together will require a smaller radius to be drawn by MRA, so basically, the radius info would just be telling you what you know you need to do anyway - i.e. drop the waypoints 'accurately'! 😁

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                          • Ton Machielsenundefined Ton Machielsen

                            @M-Schrijver Is the “Navigate routes as tracks” option my solution?

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                            @Ton-Machielsen
                            No. If you want route to be riden reliable. The route itself should be made reliable. A navigation cannot fix a badly made route.

                            (I use MRA Next only on Android Auto. Every comment, suggestion, etc will be based on my usage with Android Auto)

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                            • Ton Machielsenundefined Ton Machielsen

                              @M-Schrijver Where can I find this setting?

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                              @Ton-Machielsen, I guess this thread gives some "food for thought" 😉
                              Great thread, that shows the power of an "old-fashioned" forum! 💪

                              I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                              Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                              Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                              • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

                                @Ton-Machielsen
                                No. If you want route to be riden reliable. The route itself should be made reliable. A navigation cannot fix a badly made route.

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                                @M-Schrijver said in Another day MyRoute-app screwed up My Route:

                                @Ton-Machielsen
                                No. If you want route to be riden reliable. The route itself should be made reliable. A navigation cannot fix a badly made route.

                                Ok, i'll bite. Define "a badly made route".
                                My take is that if the app shows the route i want to ride, the app should follow that route.
                                What's your take?

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                                • Marinus van Deudekomundefined Marinus van Deudekom

                                  @Ton-Machielsen Due to restrictions by Apple and Google the viapoint sign is NOT on Androis Auto and Carplay

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                                  @Marinus-van-Deudekom said in Another day MyRoute-app screwed up My Route:

                                  @Ton-Machielsen Due to restrictions by Apple and Google the viapoint sign is NOT on Androis Auto and Carplay

                                  Meaning the "Skip Waypoint" icon is also not? So how do i skip waypoints? Stopping, taking my gloves off, taking my phone out of my pocket, click "Skip waypoint", dress up and continue?

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                                  • Ton Machielsenundefined Ton Machielsen

                                    @Marinus-van-Deudekom said in Another day MyRoute-app screwed up My Route:

                                    @Ton-Machielsen Due to restrictions by Apple and Google the viapoint sign is NOT on Androis Auto and Carplay

                                    Meaning the "Skip Waypoint" icon is also not? So how do i skip waypoints? Stopping, taking my gloves off, taking my phone out of my pocket, click "Skip waypoint", dress up and continue?

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                                    RouteXperts
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                                    @Ton-Machielsen yep unfortunately that's the case when using Android Auto or CarPlay.

                                    Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                                    Honda Silverwing GL 650
                                    DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                                    Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                                    Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                                    • Ton Machielsenundefined Ton Machielsen

                                      @M-Schrijver said in Another day MyRoute-app screwed up My Route:

                                      @Ton-Machielsen
                                      No. If you want route to be riden reliable. The route itself should be made reliable. A navigation cannot fix a badly made route.

                                      Ok, i'll bite. Define "a badly made route".
                                      My take is that if the app shows the route i want to ride, the app should follow that route.
                                      What's your take?

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                                      RouteXperts
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                                      @Ton-Machielsen not completely true. As long as you stay within MRA its by design that MRA will save the day and keep you on the route, even if the route is not made correctly like in your example. However if you wanted to use that same route in a dedicated device like a Garmin XT you would be in for a real bad day with a messed up route.

                                      Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                                      Honda Silverwing GL 650
                                      DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                                      Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                                      Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                                      • Marinus van Deudekomundefined Marinus van Deudekom

                                        @Ton-Machielsen not completely true. As long as you stay within MRA its by design that MRA will save the day and keep you on the route, even if the route is not made correctly like in your example. However if you wanted to use that same route in a dedicated device like a Garmin XT you would be in for a real bad day with a messed up route.

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                                        @Marinus-van-Deudekom Yeah, and that's where i am struggling, apparently. I was assuming that if MyRoute-app drew the correct route, even though my waypoints are besides the road, that the app would prioritise the route over the waypoints. Which is not the case from what i experience and read.
                                        I guess i will have to either be VERY precise in where i put my waypoints or choose another app which is following a route (route app, remember, not waypoint app) instead of waypoints.

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                                          Team!! Thanks for all the suggestions and bearing with my gripes and complaints. I am getting there. I must admit, apart from maybe two or three, all my waypoints were quite far away of the road i was planning to take. I have corrected them and re-uploaded the route here: https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/10719669 I hope the waypoints are positioned better now.

                                          While doing this i think that a small fix (not being a programmer) could avoid this situation. I plan on the mobile app, not on the computer, and while correcting the waypoints i came up with two improvements:

                                          1. When holding the waypoint and moving it, you can not actually see where you place it because your finger is right on top of the waypoint. And since precision is required, it would be helpful if the waypoint on the screen was a bit offset from the finger on the screen. Unless there are more efficient ways of moving a waypoint, of course.
                                          2. When moving a waypoint, making it snap to the nearest road would be helpful as well. I think that when i double-tap a road a new waypoint is placed on the road. This function would be helpful while moving waypoints as well. Unless there are tricks like double-tap on the road and removing the other one would work as well. Haven't tried that yet.

                                          Ideas?

                                          And yes, again, i am getting there, i hope.

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