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  • Stewart Hartland 0undefined Stewart Hartland 0

    Hi all, first post on the forum, hello everyone! I'm interested in users experience of how accurate the "time" estimation is on MyRoute-app.

    For example I created a route that is 178 miles, MRA says it'll take 4hr 35minutes, when I import and view the track in my Tom Tom Rider 500 it's saying 178 miles but 6hr 54 minutes, nearly 2 and a half hours longer.

    I'm doing the route next week and will time it carefully but the thing is I have a long tour coming up and I've set up some days with 300 miles riding and MRA says around 6 to 6 and a half hours to complete each day, if its out by 2.5 hours over a 178 mile route it'll be out my much more over 300 miles!

    Anyone had any experience with this issue? Does anyone know how MRA calculates it's time estimation?

    Thanks in advance!

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    RouteXperts Instructor
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    @Stewart-Hartland-0 Welcome to the forum.
    I always found that my TT 500 grossly overestimated the times. MRA Navigation Next is certainly more accurate.

    Always willing to help if I can.
    Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
    MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
    Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
    Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
    TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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      totally agree with Nick. I find MRA much more accurate than Tom Tom.

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      • Stewart Hartland 0undefined Stewart Hartland 0

        Hi all, first post on the forum, hello everyone! I'm interested in users experience of how accurate the "time" estimation is on MyRoute-app.

        For example I created a route that is 178 miles, MRA says it'll take 4hr 35minutes, when I import and view the track in my Tom Tom Rider 500 it's saying 178 miles but 6hr 54 minutes, nearly 2 and a half hours longer.

        I'm doing the route next week and will time it carefully but the thing is I have a long tour coming up and I've set up some days with 300 miles riding and MRA says around 6 to 6 and a half hours to complete each day, if its out by 2.5 hours over a 178 mile route it'll be out my much more over 300 miles!

        Anyone had any experience with this issue? Does anyone know how MRA calculates it's time estimation?

        Thanks in advance!

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        @Stewart-Hartland-0 all my navigation devices or route planning tools calculates different times for planned routes; still the distance is similar. It depends on the profile (vehicle) in which you are planning the route.
        Just in BaseCamp, and I believe in OsmAnd, you can config the average speed at street types in profile. But it needs your own experience, which speed you can acheive - and on actual traffic there.

        I usually calculate daily trips just on distance - with some buffer...

        Nothing is impossible ;-)
        In past: GARMIN Zumo 210->GARMIN Zumo 395->GARMIN XT=> now: DMD T865-X + MyRoute-App, LocusMaps, OsmAnd.
        In past: GARMIN MapSource ->GARMIN BaseCamp->Tyre->Kurviger->Calimoto=> now: MRA-Routplanner.

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          The ETA of all navigation devices is dynamic and will change the closer you get to your destination.
          I always view the ETA as a challenge 🏍 πŸ’¨

          Always willing to help if I can.
          Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
          MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
          Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
          Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
          TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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          • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew

            @Stewart-Hartland-0 Welcome to the forum.
            I always found that my TT 500 grossly overestimated the times. MRA Navigation Next is certainly more accurate.

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            @Nick-Carthew Thank you, that puts my mind at rest.

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              Which map did you use to create your routes? OpenStreetMap, Here or Tomtom? They all have different routing algorithms so if you didn't create it using Tomtom, the route could change when you transfer it to your Rider 500, especially if you don't have many waypoints. If you have a Gold subscription for the Route Planner you can use the compare Route function to check this.

              compareMRA.jpg

              Black line --= Here Map, Blue = OSM and Red = Tomtom

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              • Captain Haddockundefined Captain Haddock

                Which map did you use to create your routes? OpenStreetMap, Here or Tomtom? They all have different routing algorithms so if you didn't create it using Tomtom, the route could change when you transfer it to your Rider 500, especially if you don't have many waypoints. If you have a Gold subscription for the Route Planner you can use the compare Route function to check this.

                compareMRA.jpg

                Black line --= Here Map, Blue = OSM and Red = Tomtom

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                Marinus van Deudekom
                RouteXperts
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                @Captain-Haddock that del3nds on your devance. MRA next and Garmin use the Here map. TomTom uses duh, TomTom and otters like DMD2 use OSM

                Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                Honda Silverwing GL 650
                DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                • Marinus van Deudekomundefined Marinus van Deudekom

                  @Captain-Haddock that del3nds on your devance. MRA next and Garmin use the Here map. TomTom uses duh, TomTom and otters like DMD2 use OSM

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                  @Marinus-van-Deudekom
                  Exactly, so if you do not have gold, you cannot create a route using the tomtom map and the OSM routing algorithm will be used to create the route. When the original poster downloads that route to his tomtom Rider, it will use the tomtom algorithm to determine the actual driven route which may not be the route he is expecting to drive because as I said above, Here, OSM and TT use different algorithms. Hence the need to use the Compare Route function to add more waypoints to align the routes. -

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                  • Captain Haddockundefined Captain Haddock

                    @Marinus-van-Deudekom
                    Exactly, so if you do not have gold, you cannot create a route using the tomtom map and the OSM routing algorithm will be used to create the route. When the original poster downloads that route to his tomtom Rider, it will use the tomtom algorithm to determine the actual driven route which may not be the route he is expecting to drive because as I said above, Here, OSM and TT use different algorithms. Hence the need to use the Compare Route function to add more waypoints to align the routes. -

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                    RouteXperts
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                    @Captain-Haddock exactly. If a route is made with the free version of the planner it will be using OSM en therefore when exported to Garmin of TomTom devices the route will be different then the one you've made in OSM.
                    Solution: buy the Gold version of the planner and life wil be so much easier πŸ™‚
                    Have fun

                    Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                    Honda Silverwing GL 650
                    DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                    Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                    Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                    • Captain Haddockundefined Captain Haddock

                      @Marinus-van-Deudekom
                      Exactly, so if you do not have gold, you cannot create a route using the tomtom map and the OSM routing algorithm will be used to create the route. When the original poster downloads that route to his tomtom Rider, it will use the tomtom algorithm to determine the actual driven route which may not be the route he is expecting to drive because as I said above, Here, OSM and TT use different algorithms. Hence the need to use the Compare Route function to add more waypoints to align the routes. -

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                      Nick Carthew
                      RouteXperts Instructor
                      wrote on last edited by
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                      @Captain-Haddock Compare with is a Gold only tool.

                      Always willing to help if I can.
                      Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                      MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                      Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                      Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                      TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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                      • Captain Haddockundefined Captain Haddock

                        Which map did you use to create your routes? OpenStreetMap, Here or Tomtom? They all have different routing algorithms so if you didn't create it using Tomtom, the route could change when you transfer it to your Rider 500, especially if you don't have many waypoints. If you have a Gold subscription for the Route Planner you can use the compare Route function to check this.

                        compareMRA.jpg

                        Black line --= Here Map, Blue = OSM and Red = Tomtom

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                        @Captain-Haddock said in Distance v time calculation??:

                        If you have a Gold subscription for the Route Planner you can use the compare Route function to check this.

                        @Marinus-van-Deudekom @Nick-Carthew

                        You are just repeating what I said in my original reply above. I have had a lifetime Gold subscription for 10 years now.

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                        • Captain Haddockundefined Captain Haddock

                          @Captain-Haddock said in Distance v time calculation??:

                          If you have a Gold subscription for the Route Planner you can use the compare Route function to check this.

                          @Marinus-van-Deudekom @Nick-Carthew

                          You are just repeating what I said in my original reply above. I have had a lifetime Gold subscription for 10 years now.

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                          @Captain-Haddock In your first response to the original poster, you suggest using the Compare tool, not sure why you would suggest this rather than just confirming that they are planning on the TomTom planning map. If the TT map is used, whatever route is drawn and calculated in the route planner will be navigated by the TomTom device, no need to Compare with HERE or OSM.
                          And then in your reply to @Marinus-van-Deudekom you talk about if the original poster does not have a Gold subscription they should use the Compare tool, hence my reply to you!

                          Always willing to help if I can.
                          Triumph Tiger 1200 XRT called Tina.
                          MRA Navigation Next and SilverFox B8J bar buttons.
                          Quadlock wireless mount for IPhone 11.
                          Cardo Scala Packtalk Bold.
                          TomTom Rider 500. (In the cupboard now)

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