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    RetiredWingMan
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    wrote on 22 Mar 2023, 16:49 last edited by
    #33

    I also find battery usage to be excessive - Older Samsung Galaxy S7 - MRA Mobile Next app 3.2.9. Battery usage was so bad during one hour of navigating I had to stop it. The phone was connected for fast charging. The phone was hot. I'm hoping that once I can download maps to my SD Card and run offline that battery usage will be significantly reduced. That is how I currently run with MRA Navigation - GPS and WIFI only. No cellular service.

    2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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      14 Feb 2023, 06:27

      My contribution to the topic "battery charging". I drove a short distance today with the bike and Navigation Next. At the start I had a battery charge of 73%, at the finish was 64%. The route is 3.4 km long and of course only takes a few minutes. Equipment: iPhone 13 pro, iOS version 16.3.

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      Ad Koppenol
      wrote on 24 Mar 2023, 08:04 last edited by
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      @Mopetenpit said in Battery drain when navigating:

      My contribution to the topic "battery charging". I drove a short distance today with the bike and Navigation Next. At the start I had a battery charge of 73%, at the finish was 64%. The route is 3.4 km long and of course only takes a few minutes. Equipment: iPhone 13 pro, iOS version 16.3.

      Ook de batterij op mijn iPhone 13 Pro, iOS 16.3.1 loopt snel leeg. Tijdens een rit van een uur verloor de accu 2% aan volume, terwijl hij aan de USB-oplader 12V van de auto was aangesloten. De iPhone werd ook erg warm. Zo durf ik geen gebruik te maken van de app tijdens de lange ritten in de vakantie.

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        24 Mar 2023, 08:04

        @Mopetenpit said in Battery drain when navigating:

        My contribution to the topic "battery charging". I drove a short distance today with the bike and Navigation Next. At the start I had a battery charge of 73%, at the finish was 64%. The route is 3.4 km long and of course only takes a few minutes. Equipment: iPhone 13 pro, iOS version 16.3.

        Ook de batterij op mijn iPhone 13 Pro, iOS 16.3.1 loopt snel leeg. Tijdens een rit van een uur verloor de accu 2% aan volume, terwijl hij aan de USB-oplader 12V van de auto was aangesloten. De iPhone werd ook erg warm. Zo durf ik geen gebruik te maken van de app tijdens de lange ritten in de vakantie.

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        Flat Twin Therapy
        wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 04:53 last edited by
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        @Corjan-Meijerink
        Can you give a status update on the battery performance while navigating on Android? Has that been fixed?
        Thanks!

        Since January 2024 I started recording some of my rides commuting and touring the R1200RT in The Netherlands:
        https://youtube.com/@FlatTwinTherapy

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          21 Jun 2023, 04:53

          @Corjan-Meijerink
          Can you give a status update on the battery performance while navigating on Android? Has that been fixed?
          Thanks!

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          Corjan Meijerink
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          wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 05:03 last edited by
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          @Rolf-Aalders actively in progress. We are working closely with HERE to improve the performance.

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            24 Mar 2023, 08:04

            @Mopetenpit said in Battery drain when navigating:

            My contribution to the topic "battery charging". I drove a short distance today with the bike and Navigation Next. At the start I had a battery charge of 73%, at the finish was 64%. The route is 3.4 km long and of course only takes a few minutes. Equipment: iPhone 13 pro, iOS version 16.3.

            Ook de batterij op mijn iPhone 13 Pro, iOS 16.3.1 loopt snel leeg. Tijdens een rit van een uur verloor de accu 2% aan volume, terwijl hij aan de USB-oplader 12V van de auto was aangesloten. De iPhone werd ook erg warm. Zo durf ik geen gebruik te maken van de app tijdens de lange ritten in de vakantie.

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            CD130
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              21 Jun 2023, 05:03

              @Rolf-Aalders actively in progress. We are working closely with HERE to improve the performance.

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              Flat Twin Therapy
              wrote on 24 Jun 2023, 19:28 last edited by
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              @Corjan-Meijerink
              Oh that is really good to hear. Thanks!
              This is the only issue preventing me from actively using it.

              Since January 2024 I started recording some of my rides commuting and touring the R1200RT in The Netherlands:
              https://youtube.com/@FlatTwinTherapy

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                Rob Verhoeff
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                wrote on 24 Jun 2023, 20:26 last edited by
                #39

                Today I took a drive with connected iPhone 13 to the USB port via cable. I have no idea if the phone became too hot (you can't feel it with gloves on 😁 ), but the battery logging indicates that charging stopped at 85%. The iPhone has an internal safeguard to protect the battery. I have complete confidence that everything will be fine.

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                iOS on iPhone 13 (mounted on Quadlock)
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                  Karl Mumford
                  wrote on 26 Jun 2023, 10:32 last edited by
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                  I have just returned from a trip to Ireland where I tried to use the new MyRoute app to navigate with my Android 10 Ulefone Armour X7 Pro. I found that even with the phone on charge with a 1.5A charger it was draining the battery enough to not be able to last the day.
                  I switched back to using the MRA Navigator stand-alone app because that is able to allow the phone to charge up even when in use.
                  MyRoute app version 4.0.1 - 194
                  MRA Navigation version v1.6.12

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                    26 Jun 2023, 10:32

                    I have just returned from a trip to Ireland where I tried to use the new MyRoute app to navigate with my Android 10 Ulefone Armour X7 Pro. I found that even with the phone on charge with a 1.5A charger it was draining the battery enough to not be able to last the day.
                    I switched back to using the MRA Navigator stand-alone app because that is able to allow the phone to charge up even when in use.
                    MyRoute app version 4.0.1 - 194
                    MRA Navigation version v1.6.12

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                    CD130
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                    wrote on 26 Jun 2023, 10:41 last edited by
                    #41

                    @Karl-Mumford are you able to try a 2.4A or 3.0A charger? The 3.0A charger works fine with my iPhone 12.

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                      26 Jun 2023, 10:32

                      I have just returned from a trip to Ireland where I tried to use the new MyRoute app to navigate with my Android 10 Ulefone Armour X7 Pro. I found that even with the phone on charge with a 1.5A charger it was draining the battery enough to not be able to last the day.
                      I switched back to using the MRA Navigator stand-alone app because that is able to allow the phone to charge up even when in use.
                      MyRoute app version 4.0.1 - 194
                      MRA Navigation version v1.6.12

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                      Karl Mumford
                      wrote on 26 Jun 2023, 10:43 last edited by
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                      @Karl-Mumford I have just see that MyRoute-app on my phone updated itself automatically yesterday so I would have been using the previous version while in Ireland

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                        26 Jun 2023, 10:41

                        @Karl-Mumford are you able to try a 2.4A or 3.0A charger? The 3.0A charger works fine with my iPhone 12.

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                        Karl Mumford
                        wrote on 26 Jun 2023, 10:47 last edited by
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                        @CD130 my charger is hard wired into my bike but I could replace it, yes. However the face that the MRA navigation app uses much less power hints that MyRoute-app could probably do so too.

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                          M PRP
                          wrote on 27 Jun 2023, 06:25 last edited by
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                          I encountered the problem after updating my Samsung 32A. What also was in a change with 'normal' working was that the connection with the phone function didn't work anymore. I can see someone was calling me but there was no sound and it wasn't possible to pick up.
                          Maybe this last one was the origin of battery drain, constant seeking to connect with my bleu tooth device???
                          Battery drain from +- 85% to 10% in 51 minutes. The Phone was very hot.

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                            Paul 41
                            wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 14:24 last edited by Paul 41
                            #45

                            I also have this issue, latest version installed from App Store. Just back from a 9 day tour of Europe and using my phone (iPhone 14 Pro Max) on a QuadLock wireless charger head.

                            With MRA running all day (regardless of the temperature) I was barely getting to the end of a days ride as the phone was sub-20% battery. For one of those days I switched to Calimoto and experienced no such issues and on the last day I had Waze running all day long, also no issues so it's definitely an MRA app problem.

                            On my iPhone though, switching into Low Power mode instantly fixed the issue, so I wonder if MRA is using the full 120hz screen refresh and battery saver reducing this is the key? Anyway, that solves it for me when using MRA. Like I said, all other nav apps are not a problem.

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                              richtea999
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                              wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 16:51 last edited by richtea999
                              #46

                              You might want to consider using Dark Mode next time, although judging by that screenshot, you may already be there!

                              Change both Map layer and App theme in the Navigation Settings. The Map layer one doesn't kick in until you actually start navigating, so ignore the default map view being, confusingly, light mode!

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                                18 Jul 2023, 16:51

                                You might want to consider using Dark Mode next time, although judging by that screenshot, you may already be there!

                                Change both Map layer and App theme in the Navigation Settings. The Map layer one doesn't kick in until you actually start navigating, so ignore the default map view being, confusingly, light mode!

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                                Paul 41
                                wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 17:23 last edited by
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                                @richtea999 I’ll try that, although using Low Power mode solved the issue. I wish I knew what MRA was doing to consume so much battery though.

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                                  18 Jul 2023, 17:23

                                  @richtea999 I’ll try that, although using Low Power mode solved the issue. I wish I knew what MRA was doing to consume so much battery though.

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                                  Rob Verhoeff
                                  Alpha tester
                                  wrote on 18 Jul 2023, 17:46 last edited by
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                                  @Paul-41 a lot of battery drain is due to the rendering the maps on your device when online navigating. I guess the rendering remains although you've downloaded maps. The mapsupplier (Here) has to do (also) something to solve this. Google for 'battery drain' on this forum and you'll find more topics. It's under the attention of the MRA-team.

                                  BMW K1600GT-P (2013) with BMW Navigator | Nolan N100-5 with Sena 30K
                                  iOS on iPhone 13 (mounted on Quadlock)
                                  Apple CarPlay in VW T-Roc (wired)
                                  Routelab on MacBook Air & iMac (Sequoia & Monterey)

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                                    wrote on 19 Jul 2023, 10:21 last edited by richtea999
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                                    @Paul-41 said in Battery drain when navigating:

                                    @richtea999 I’ll try that, although using Low Power mode solved the issue. I wish I knew what MRA was doing to consume so much battery though.

                                    Probably redrawing the screen too often is my guess. However, that's easily written in a glib message like this, and a nightmare to fix as a developer!

                                    One setting that might be useful would be a choice to decrease the app's screen refresh rate, so 1/5th second, 1/10th second, etc, so users could feed back on their findings. Maybe just in the beta.

                                    I have to say I couldn't use my iPhone because it overheats and dims the screen, so I'll also be trying low battery mode this afternoon/evening. I had the same problem on a new Samsung Galaxy A54 this past weekend, so I'll also be experimenting that one too, at some point.

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                                      19 Jul 2023, 10:21

                                      @Paul-41 said in Battery drain when navigating:

                                      @richtea999 I’ll try that, although using Low Power mode solved the issue. I wish I knew what MRA was doing to consume so much battery though.

                                      Probably redrawing the screen too often is my guess. However, that's easily written in a glib message like this, and a nightmare to fix as a developer!

                                      One setting that might be useful would be a choice to decrease the app's screen refresh rate, so 1/5th second, 1/10th second, etc, so users could feed back on their findings. Maybe just in the beta.

                                      I have to say I couldn't use my iPhone because it overheats and dims the screen, so I'll also be trying low battery mode this afternoon/evening. I had the same problem on a new Samsung Galaxy A54 this past weekend, so I'll also be experimenting that one too, at some point.

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                                      wrote on 19 Jul 2023, 11:37 last edited by
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                                      @richtea999, I happen to know that this has been tried, to as low as 40fps. It did not make any significant difference for the battery drain. It looks like something in the SDK is maxing out the processor. Slower phones seems to have less problems with battery drain, but that too is not always fully true.

                                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                        richtea999
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                                        wrote on 20 Jul 2023, 14:11 last edited by
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                                        @Con-Hennekens Thanks for the update Con. My bad guesswork.

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                                          20 Jul 2023, 14:11

                                          @Con-Hennekens Thanks for the update Con. My bad guesswork.

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                                          wrote on 20 Jul 2023, 14:19 last edited by
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                                          @richtea999, I don't think it is bad guesswork at all 😉 It makes perfectly sense, but was already guessed by someone else before. Somehow it does nothing to the battery drain, and that surprised the devvers too. I will not be surprised when that turns out to be part the problem: the rendering engine does not limit itself to the set screenfrequency...

                                          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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