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  • Vlad Popovici 0undefined Offline
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    If you really need a big screen for Android Auto you can do like I did:

    • Galaxy Tab Active 3
    • RAM mount specific for Galaxy Tab Active 3
    • Headunit Reloaded app

    Wireless Android Auto works like a charm and the best thing is the sound still comes from the phone, not from the tablet, so you don't need to switch pairings with your comm device. It has a companion app on the phone, so it doesn't use the BT to initiate connection. You can keep BT off for that matter.

    Also Galaxy Tab Active 3 is water proof so you can ride with it without special cover that hinders touching it.

    Other very nice features:

    • can work with or without battery
    • it has a big red button that is configurable to anything you like
    • it has a sensitive touching mode, so you can touch it even with the thickest gloves
    • you can put a sim card inside if you want to use it completely separate from your phone and you have a top notch tablet with you
    • and the best feature, you can use MRA-app or Next RIGHT NOW without Android Auto 🙂 (thou, if you use direct apps on it, you need to pair the BT with your comm device)
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    • Vlad Popovici 0undefined Vlad Popovici 0

      If you really need a big screen for Android Auto you can do like I did:

      • Galaxy Tab Active 3
      • RAM mount specific for Galaxy Tab Active 3
      • Headunit Reloaded app

      Wireless Android Auto works like a charm and the best thing is the sound still comes from the phone, not from the tablet, so you don't need to switch pairings with your comm device. It has a companion app on the phone, so it doesn't use the BT to initiate connection. You can keep BT off for that matter.

      Also Galaxy Tab Active 3 is water proof so you can ride with it without special cover that hinders touching it.

      Other very nice features:

      • can work with or without battery
      • it has a big red button that is configurable to anything you like
      • it has a sensitive touching mode, so you can touch it even with the thickest gloves
      • you can put a sim card inside if you want to use it completely separate from your phone and you have a top notch tablet with you
      • and the best feature, you can use MRA-app or Next RIGHT NOW without Android Auto 🙂 (thou, if you use direct apps on it, you need to pair the BT with your comm device)
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      #23

      @Vlad-Popovici-0 sounds good! But actually as you said it can actually run everything directly.

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      • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

        @Tim-Thompson well if you ask, I am a bike tour guide, lot of customers come with own phones and demand for such things has raised recently.

        I am always interested in testing new things, being on bike all over the world. Tomtom rider 550 is very good device, but kind a small.
        I also tested heavily garmin zumo xt. Nice device but management of device is very difficult, you need laptop with you….

        Customers get of course bikes with pre-prepared routes but 80% of them dont know how to use garmin, tomtoms etc….
        Sharing rout in advance with them over phone makes it easy, they manage it on phone they know, CP could be option
        Me personaly I cant use always my bike if tour is in exotic place etc etc
        Preparation in advance is key and its why I am also testing MRAN - it is best app regarding detailed planning (waypoints and its details)

        But the test of this device review was mainly from my personal experience point of view. I struggled on domestic road but I know this roads..

        Example:

        1. i started from fuel station, had to wait for device to build up and show me way for cca 30 seconds (ok I knew where I had to go) but if I dont i would wait and block road

        2. Similar I started from coffe break, wasnt aware of the device (because this does not happen with tomtom) and I entered in roundabout where device was still not ready

        3. I forgot the side stand, and yes put in first gear bike cut, gps cut, needed again few streets to come back and this is when it had problem not automatically connecting to phone….had to stop, take out phone….

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        @Jure-Sirena-0 said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

        I also tested heavily garmin zumo xt. Nice device but management of device is very difficult, you need laptop with you….

        You don't need a laptop to use a Zumo XT. I haven't connected my Zumo XT to my computer in months. It works 100% wirelessly.

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          @Jure-Sirena-0 said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

          I also tested heavily garmin zumo xt. Nice device but management of device is very difficult, you need laptop with you….

          You don't need a laptop to use a Zumo XT. I haven't connected my Zumo XT to my computer in months. It works 100% wirelessly.

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          #25

          @Matt-Flaming
          How do you mange large routes - especially on trip. Well MRA route planner is answer but with garmin itself?

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            #26

            This is a vivid discussion 😉 . I am sorry but I didn't read it completely. TL;DR and too much of the same arguments. I do however have a few comments, maybe it gives some extra brain fuel.

            I think it would indeed be very handy to have a battery in the device, exactly to overcome the reset/re-initialization each time after starting your bike. Also I like to set my route often before putting it on the bike. A small battery would suffice for that. I owned a Streetpilot many years ago and the biggest frustration was: no-battery...

            In my opinion the comment about hot/cold battery problems is a non-issue. ALL Zumo and Rider users would have problems with their batteries if it was, but instead most units survive more than 10 years of use.

            I am in favor of connecting accessoires directly to battery. You can prevent power-leakage with a simple switch. You can depend on CANBUS to switch accessories off, but is a proven fail-sensitive method. I had an USB charger keeping CANBUS open, dead battery in 3 days. Besides that, direct attached and manually switched I can use my USB charger to charge my COM set while drinking coffee 😉

            I like the idea of an dedicated Android navigation device. For me it doesn't really add anything if it does that through Android Auto, screencast or whatever. An autonomous device (like a phone without phone-functions) with an decent integrated powered mount like a Zumo would be perfect. Basically a Zumo running Android with the Google playstore is perfect.

            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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            • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

              This is a vivid discussion 😉 . I am sorry but I didn't read it completely. TL;DR and too much of the same arguments. I do however have a few comments, maybe it gives some extra brain fuel.

              I think it would indeed be very handy to have a battery in the device, exactly to overcome the reset/re-initialization each time after starting your bike. Also I like to set my route often before putting it on the bike. A small battery would suffice for that. I owned a Streetpilot many years ago and the biggest frustration was: no-battery...

              In my opinion the comment about hot/cold battery problems is a non-issue. ALL Zumo and Rider users would have problems with their batteries if it was, but instead most units survive more than 10 years of use.

              I am in favor of connecting accessoires directly to battery. You can prevent power-leakage with a simple switch. You can depend on CANBUS to switch accessories off, but is a proven fail-sensitive method. I had an USB charger keeping CANBUS open, dead battery in 3 days. Besides that, direct attached and manually switched I can use my USB charger to charge my COM set while drinking coffee 😉

              I like the idea of an dedicated Android navigation device. For me it doesn't really add anything if it does that through Android Auto, screencast or whatever. An autonomous device (like a phone without phone-functions) with an decent integrated powered mount like a Zumo would be perfect. Basically a Zumo running Android with the Google playstore is perfect.

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              #27

              @Con-Hennekens I agree with you. Well in fact if you took the best from each vendor you would certanly get a perfect device 🙂

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              • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                This is a vivid discussion 😉 . I am sorry but I didn't read it completely. TL;DR and too much of the same arguments. I do however have a few comments, maybe it gives some extra brain fuel.

                I think it would indeed be very handy to have a battery in the device, exactly to overcome the reset/re-initialization each time after starting your bike. Also I like to set my route often before putting it on the bike. A small battery would suffice for that. I owned a Streetpilot many years ago and the biggest frustration was: no-battery...

                In my opinion the comment about hot/cold battery problems is a non-issue. ALL Zumo and Rider users would have problems with their batteries if it was, but instead most units survive more than 10 years of use.

                I am in favor of connecting accessoires directly to battery. You can prevent power-leakage with a simple switch. You can depend on CANBUS to switch accessories off, but is a proven fail-sensitive method. I had an USB charger keeping CANBUS open, dead battery in 3 days. Besides that, direct attached and manually switched I can use my USB charger to charge my COM set while drinking coffee 😉

                I like the idea of an dedicated Android navigation device. For me it doesn't really add anything if it does that through Android Auto, screencast or whatever. An autonomous device (like a phone without phone-functions) with an decent integrated powered mount like a Zumo would be perfect. Basically a Zumo running Android with the Google playstore is perfect.

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                @Con-Hennekens Agree with you. I am running a refurbished Google Pixel 6 Pro with an SPC+ case and SPC+ powered vibration mount. Loving the set up having moved away from my Garmin Zumo XT. Using a refurbished phone as I am not bothered if the camera breaks - vibration issue - although the mount should help.
                SPC+ anti Vibration Charge Mount
                SPC+ Pixel 6 Pro Case

                Kind Regards. Help where I can.
                Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally
                iPhone 15 Pro
                Chigee AIO-5 Play
                Google Pixel 6 Pro - mounted on SP Connect Plus
                Ex Garmin XT2 and XT1 as well as Ex TomTom Rider User

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                • Dave J 0undefined Dave J 0

                  @Con-Hennekens Agree with you. I am running a refurbished Google Pixel 6 Pro with an SPC+ case and SPC+ powered vibration mount. Loving the set up having moved away from my Garmin Zumo XT. Using a refurbished phone as I am not bothered if the camera breaks - vibration issue - although the mount should help.
                  SPC+ anti Vibration Charge Mount
                  SPC+ Pixel 6 Pro Case

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                  #29

                  @Dave-J-0

                  I believe GPS manufacturers have realised that AA and CP are setting the future for mobile apps only. Car manufacturers stopped integrating dedicated navi, even bikes started with CP/AA (honda, bmw)

                  So I guess noone will invest in devices in future, all goes ‘mobile’

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                  • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

                    @Dave-J-0

                    I believe GPS manufacturers have realised that AA and CP are setting the future for mobile apps only. Car manufacturers stopped integrating dedicated navi, even bikes started with CP/AA (honda, bmw)

                    So I guess noone will invest in devices in future, all goes ‘mobile’

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                    #30

                    @Jure-Sirena-0 I agree with you. I became frustrated with the Garmin as I was constrained with what I could do. My Android and iPhone devices give me so much more flex with what I can do and the apps available.

                    Kind Regards. Help where I can.
                    Ducati Multistrada V4 Rally
                    iPhone 15 Pro
                    Chigee AIO-5 Play
                    Google Pixel 6 Pro - mounted on SP Connect Plus
                    Ex Garmin XT2 and XT1 as well as Ex TomTom Rider User

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                    • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

                      @Dave-J-0

                      I believe GPS manufacturers have realised that AA and CP are setting the future for mobile apps only. Car manufacturers stopped integrating dedicated navi, even bikes started with CP/AA (honda, bmw)

                      So I guess noone will invest in devices in future, all goes ‘mobile’

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                      @Jure-Sirena-0, Yes, for integrated devices that is the way to goo. It keeps manufacturers the hassle of having to update their embedded stuff, and keeps users from being fed up with old and uncompliant stuff. It simply moves functionality to a device the user already has and regularly renews.

                      @Dave-J-0, my personal experience with rugged and/or waterproof cases is that the phone stops functioning due to overheating, with al that extra insulation 😉 A normal rugged phone does not need an extra case.

                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                      • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

                        @Matt-Flaming
                        How do you mange large routes - especially on trip. Well MRA route planner is answer but with garmin itself?

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                        @Jure-Sirena-0 said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                        How do you mange large routes - especially on trip. Well MRA route planner is answer but with garmin itself?

                        What do you mean?

                        Create the route. Open the route in Explore on your phone and it syncs automatically. Or open it with Drive and send it to the Zumo. I don't connect my Zumo to my computer at all unless I want to play around with Open Street Maps or themes.

                        In fact, my Zumo is locked on my bike nearly 100% of the time.

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                        • flamingm0eundefined flamingm0e

                          @Jure-Sirena-0 said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                          How do you mange large routes - especially on trip. Well MRA route planner is answer but with garmin itself?

                          What do you mean?

                          Create the route. Open the route in Explore on your phone and it syncs automatically. Or open it with Drive and send it to the Zumo. I don't connect my Zumo to my computer at all unless I want to play around with Open Street Maps or themes.

                          In fact, my Zumo is locked on my bike nearly 100% of the time.

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                          @Matt-Flaming I mainly ment about changes during drive etc if plans change.
                          I tried Garmin drive but app for iphone was a bit limited, maybe it was updated

                          But I guess I know what you mean - when you say 'create route' This means create it on myroute planner or base camp and then only use it, but you cannot manage it on the way - this is main pain.
                          when you try tomtom mydrive you know what I talk about, I want to go here, here, here, send to device....this is it, or open existing route, do what ever you want with it and send to device, all syncs in second

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                          • Dave J 0undefined Dave J 0

                            @Jure-Sirena-0 I agree with you. I became frustrated with the Garmin as I was constrained with what I could do. My Android and iPhone devices give me so much more flex with what I can do and the apps available.

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                            #34

                            @Dave-J-0 This is exactly what I ment, I was very limited in what I wanted to do you needed basecamp for serious planning and route cmanagement, for that you need a laptop. TomTom mydrive on the other hand is marvelous. Few clicks for anything. Hoping for MRA N to be on this level 🙂

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                            • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

                              @Dave-J-0 This is exactly what I ment, I was very limited in what I wanted to do you needed basecamp for serious planning and route cmanagement, for that you need a laptop. TomTom mydrive on the other hand is marvelous. Few clicks for anything. Hoping for MRA N to be on this level 🙂

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                              #35

                              @Jure-Sirena-0

                              OK played with it a bit. Sorry gopro just can properly focus this screen

                              1. Pairing. Ok but first issue, I had to manualy confirm BT connection on phone - this happened to me also on bike at the test drive. Not at pairing but at one of the loads after bike was turned on

                              https://youtu.be/Dgj16AfACmE

                              1. Simulation of bike start, so it seems it needs cca 40 sec (!!) to be in app navigation menu. No issues on this attempt
                                restart of device at 06:00, Tomtom navigation menu at 00:46

                              https://youtu.be/1_JGcezR6Z0

                              1. Second restart - next issue, CP closed just after being opened. Even phone had difficulty coming out of standby, after waking it up CP came back on its own (but still, this would mean waiting the device, solving the issue by taking gloves off, getting phone.....)

                              https://youtu.be/Axt_g1reELw

                              1. Another attampt no issues but needing close to 50 sec up to be ready
                                https://youtu.be/Tev0c3VtKSk

                              2. One more attempt puting phone a bit further away, then starting route from carplay menu at the end switching from night to day mode (manually only)
                                https://youtu.be/T_acT5ueYJw

                              Not only for restart issues, but device would be much more stable with battery, battery = UPS and electircal stability.
                              Regarding clock and time - it also does not have ROM its always reset, but then syncs with phone

                              And yes if you hate BMW, the device does not offer any other option for startup logo, not even in menu, probably cable-copy management....

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                              • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

                                @Matt-Flaming I mainly ment about changes during drive etc if plans change.
                                I tried Garmin drive but app for iphone was a bit limited, maybe it was updated

                                But I guess I know what you mean - when you say 'create route' This means create it on myroute planner or base camp and then only use it, but you cannot manage it on the way - this is main pain.
                                when you try tomtom mydrive you know what I talk about, I want to go here, here, here, send to device....this is it, or open existing route, do what ever you want with it and send to device, all syncs in second

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                                @Jure-Sirena-0 said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                                I tried Garmin drive but app for iphone was a bit limited, maybe it was updated

                                Garmin Drive is ONLY to connect your Zumo to the phone for network and notifications from apps. You can also search for POI/addresses and send directly to the Zumo. If using a route/trip in Zumo, it will ask if you want to add it to your current route, or create a new one.

                                Garmin Explore is installed ON the Zumo XT already, and once you have logged into Explore on your phone and connected it on the Zumo, everything can be done wirelessly using either app.

                                @Jure-Sirena-0 said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                                But I guess I know what you mean - when you say 'create route' This means create it on myroute planner or base camp and then only use it, but you cannot manage it on the way - this is main pain.

                                Sure you can manage it on the way, just fine. Use MyRouteApp. I have created routes while at lunch before and sent them to the Zumo.

                                @Jure-Sirena-0 said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                                when you try tomtom mydrive you know what I talk about

                                I've used TomTom MyDrive. MyRouteApp is better. The only difference is that you now have to "open" your route in Drive/Explore in order for it to transfer. Just ONE step more.

                                @Jure-Sirena-0 said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                                open existing route, do what ever you want with it and send to device, all syncs in second

                                Much like you can do with Drive and Explore. This isn't as difficult as you make it sound.

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                                • Vlad Popovici 0undefined Vlad Popovici 0

                                  If you really need a big screen for Android Auto you can do like I did:

                                  • Galaxy Tab Active 3
                                  • RAM mount specific for Galaxy Tab Active 3
                                  • Headunit Reloaded app

                                  Wireless Android Auto works like a charm and the best thing is the sound still comes from the phone, not from the tablet, so you don't need to switch pairings with your comm device. It has a companion app on the phone, so it doesn't use the BT to initiate connection. You can keep BT off for that matter.

                                  Also Galaxy Tab Active 3 is water proof so you can ride with it without special cover that hinders touching it.

                                  Other very nice features:

                                  • can work with or without battery
                                  • it has a big red button that is configurable to anything you like
                                  • it has a sensitive touching mode, so you can touch it even with the thickest gloves
                                  • you can put a sim card inside if you want to use it completely separate from your phone and you have a top notch tablet with you
                                  • and the best feature, you can use MRA-app or Next RIGHT NOW without Android Auto 🙂 (thou, if you use direct apps on it, you need to pair the BT with your comm device)
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                                  #37

                                  @Vlad-Popovici-0 said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                                  If you really need a big screen for Android Auto you can do like I did:

                                  • Galaxy Tab Active 3
                                  • RAM mount specific for Galaxy Tab Active 3
                                  • Headunit Reloaded app

                                  Wireless Android Auto works like a charm and the best thing is the sound still comes from the phone, not from the tablet, so you don't need to switch pairings with your comm device. It has a companion app on the phone, so it doesn't use the BT to initiate connection. You can keep BT off for that matter.

                                  Also Galaxy Tab Active 3 is water proof so you can ride with it without special cover that hinders touching it.

                                  Other very nice features:

                                  • can work with or without battery
                                  • it has a big red button that is configurable to anything you like
                                  • it has a sensitive touching mode, so you can touch it even with the thickest gloves
                                  • you can put a sim card inside if you want to use it completely separate from your phone and you have a top notch tablet with you
                                  • and the best feature, you can use MRA-app or Next RIGHT NOW without Android Auto 🙂 (thou, if you use direct apps on it, you need to pair the BT with your comm device)

                                  Don't have any information on the Galaxy Tab Active 3. Quick search suggests it is pretty pricey.

                                  One of the points of using these cheap AA/CP displays it so that expensive tech toys don't have to be abused in this type of application. Better to use a cheap unit that is built to take the punishment.

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                                  • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                                    This is a vivid discussion 😉 . I am sorry but I didn't read it completely. TL;DR and too much of the same arguments. I do however have a few comments, maybe it gives some extra brain fuel.

                                    I think it would indeed be very handy to have a battery in the device, exactly to overcome the reset/re-initialization each time after starting your bike. Also I like to set my route often before putting it on the bike. A small battery would suffice for that. I owned a Streetpilot many years ago and the biggest frustration was: no-battery...

                                    In my opinion the comment about hot/cold battery problems is a non-issue. ALL Zumo and Rider users would have problems with their batteries if it was, but instead most units survive more than 10 years of use.

                                    I am in favor of connecting accessoires directly to battery. You can prevent power-leakage with a simple switch. You can depend on CANBUS to switch accessories off, but is a proven fail-sensitive method. I had an USB charger keeping CANBUS open, dead battery in 3 days. Besides that, direct attached and manually switched I can use my USB charger to charge my COM set while drinking coffee 😉

                                    I like the idea of an dedicated Android navigation device. For me it doesn't really add anything if it does that through Android Auto, screencast or whatever. An autonomous device (like a phone without phone-functions) with an decent integrated powered mount like a Zumo would be perfect. Basically a Zumo running Android with the Google playstore is perfect.

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                                    @Con-Hennekens said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                                    This is a vivid discussion 😉 . I am sorry but I didn't read it completely. TL;DR and too much of the same arguments. I do however have a few comments, maybe it gives some extra brain fuel.

                                    I think it would indeed be very handy to have a battery in the device, exactly to overcome the reset/re-initialization each time after starting your bike. Also I like to set my route often before putting it on the bike. A small battery would suffice for that. I owned a Streetpilot many years ago and the biggest frustration was: no-battery...

                                    As I mentioned... I think an internal battery is unnecessary. I doubt I would want to spring for any additional cost/complexity to have it.

                                    In my opinion the comment about hot/cold battery problems is a non-issue. ALL Zumo and Rider users would have problems with their batteries if it was, but instead most units survive more than 10 years of use.

                                    Comparing purpose built/designed motorcycle nav devices with general purpose smartphones is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. I don't think that there is any doubt that heat is an issue with smartphone batteries, particularly when the phone is used in less-than-ideal conditions (car dashes, direct sunlight, etc.) while running navigation apps. Also... winter riding and trying to power a smartphone in the cold is probably a non-starter. First, in my experience, when the phone is operated in the cold (think of a mounted phone exposed to cold wind) it's charging rate (greatly diminished) won't keep up with the power demand of running a navigation app. Second, charging cold lithium batteries is supposedly detrimental to the battery/not recommended.

                                    Granted... these AA/CP devices would likely fall into the purpose-built category (like a Zumo). Still, I'd rather not have any battery issues/nonsense if I could get away with it. Apply the KISS principle when possible and keep it cheap.

                                    I am in favor of connecting accessoires directly to battery. You can prevent power-leakage with a simple switch. You can depend on CANBUS to switch accessories off, but is a proven fail-sensitive method. I had an USB charger keeping CANBUS open, dead battery in 3 days. Besides that, direct attached and manually switched I can use my USB charger to charge my COM set while drinking coffee 😉

                                    HD provides (on my bike) both switched and fused direct battery power interfaces for accessories. I would simply use these (switched in this case).

                                    I like the idea of an dedicated Android navigation device. For me it doesn't really add anything if it does that through Android Auto, screencast or whatever. An autonomous device (like a phone without phone-functions) with an decent integrated powered mount like a Zumo would be perfect. Basically a Zumo running Android with the Google playstore is perfect.

                                    Indeed, this would probably be a good option. However, AFAIK, no such solution exists.

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                                    • Tim  Thompsonundefined Tim Thompson

                                      @Con-Hennekens said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                                      This is a vivid discussion 😉 . I am sorry but I didn't read it completely. TL;DR and too much of the same arguments. I do however have a few comments, maybe it gives some extra brain fuel.

                                      I think it would indeed be very handy to have a battery in the device, exactly to overcome the reset/re-initialization each time after starting your bike. Also I like to set my route often before putting it on the bike. A small battery would suffice for that. I owned a Streetpilot many years ago and the biggest frustration was: no-battery...

                                      As I mentioned... I think an internal battery is unnecessary. I doubt I would want to spring for any additional cost/complexity to have it.

                                      In my opinion the comment about hot/cold battery problems is a non-issue. ALL Zumo and Rider users would have problems with their batteries if it was, but instead most units survive more than 10 years of use.

                                      Comparing purpose built/designed motorcycle nav devices with general purpose smartphones is a bit like comparing apples and oranges. I don't think that there is any doubt that heat is an issue with smartphone batteries, particularly when the phone is used in less-than-ideal conditions (car dashes, direct sunlight, etc.) while running navigation apps. Also... winter riding and trying to power a smartphone in the cold is probably a non-starter. First, in my experience, when the phone is operated in the cold (think of a mounted phone exposed to cold wind) it's charging rate (greatly diminished) won't keep up with the power demand of running a navigation app. Second, charging cold lithium batteries is supposedly detrimental to the battery/not recommended.

                                      Granted... these AA/CP devices would likely fall into the purpose-built category (like a Zumo). Still, I'd rather not have any battery issues/nonsense if I could get away with it. Apply the KISS principle when possible and keep it cheap.

                                      I am in favor of connecting accessoires directly to battery. You can prevent power-leakage with a simple switch. You can depend on CANBUS to switch accessories off, but is a proven fail-sensitive method. I had an USB charger keeping CANBUS open, dead battery in 3 days. Besides that, direct attached and manually switched I can use my USB charger to charge my COM set while drinking coffee 😉

                                      HD provides (on my bike) both switched and fused direct battery power interfaces for accessories. I would simply use these (switched in this case).

                                      I like the idea of an dedicated Android navigation device. For me it doesn't really add anything if it does that through Android Auto, screencast or whatever. An autonomous device (like a phone without phone-functions) with an decent integrated powered mount like a Zumo would be perfect. Basically a Zumo running Android with the Google playstore is perfect.

                                      Indeed, this would probably be a good option. However, AFAIK, no such solution exists.

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                                      @Tim-Thompson said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                                      As I mentioned... I think an internal battery is unnecessary. I doubt I would want to spring for any additional cost/complexity to have it.

                                      I don't consider a battery to be complex. It prevents a lot of unnecessary reboots, and makes it possible to use the device to preload your ride still behind your coffee without the need to take out your phone. I consider that basic functionality.

                                      Comparing purpose built/designed motorcycle nav devices with general purpose smartphones is a bit like comparing apples and oranges.

                                      It's still just about a battery...

                                      HD provides (on my bike) both switched and fused direct battery power interfaces for accessories.

                                      That sound as direct as it gets 😉

                                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                        So I've done some initial testing with my unit (BINIZE variant).

                                        Start up to CP with navigation app loaded (in this case Scenic)... 30 seconds every time. No failures, No issues. So far no need to repeat pairing. This thing has worked fine so far.

                                        About having the navigation and route queued up and ready before stepping out to the bike. No problem, queue it up on the phone. Apply power to the unit and 30 seconds later you're ready to navigate. If starting the bike power cycles the unit, no big deal, the phone still has the nav app running. So, the unit will be up and ready to navigate in 30 seconds after engine start. Seems reasonable to me.

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                                          @Jure-Sirena-0 said in Discussion: Carplay / Android Auto motorcycle device tested:

                                          I also tested heavily garmin zumo xt. Nice device but management of device is very difficult, you need laptop with you….

                                          You don't need a laptop to use a Zumo XT. I haven't connected my Zumo XT to my computer in months. It works 100% wirelessly.

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                                          @Matt-Flaming You cannot manage routes on the fly with app. Cant you, you speak about import / export mainly. I speak about management of already preapred routes. This is where MRA and Tomtom drive are the best.

                                          MRA - you open route changes are saved asap - you GO

                                          Tomtom Drive app, you open route, change, delete, move....click sync with device, new (or old) route already awaits on device (without touching GPS device)

                                          This is my point

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