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  • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

    @stuart-marritt, my belief is that whenever you choose a direct route (straight line and not any of the curvy options) the route should load right away indeed, without the new suggestions. Usually though one of the suggestions (there may be up to three) will be quite similar, which is indeed not in your case. The origin of that is because the first one is calculated on the OSM map, the next one is calculated within the navigation module on the HERE map. This is a hard to understand situation that will be mitigated somewhere in the future.

    BTW: Obviously navigating with recalculation enabled is perfectly fine. I can understand it that some individuals rather want to have it disabled, but it is a bit pity that it gets advised all over the place.

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    @Con-Hennekens said in Route differences since new update!:

    The origin of that is because the first one is calculated on the OSM map

    Nopes! Fastest route is always calculated by HERE. The route options displayed before starting the navigation (where you see 2 options) should always show the generated route as first option.

    This can be explained by two scenarios: either a mismatch between some HERE services due to traffic or something like that. You having enabled offline navigation.

    @Nomko-Nomden I respect your choice to disable recalculations but that is not relevant at all. We generally recommend it being turned on. I would appreciate you not pushing this setting on other users especially when unrelated 🙂

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      I have have offline maps downloaded but try not to use them if at all possible

      If I have a signal I am always using online maps

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      • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

        @Con-Hennekens said in Route differences since new update!:

        The origin of that is because the first one is calculated on the OSM map

        Nopes! Fastest route is always calculated by HERE. The route options displayed before starting the navigation (where you see 2 options) should always show the generated route as first option.

        This can be explained by two scenarios: either a mismatch between some HERE services due to traffic or something like that. You having enabled offline navigation.

        @Nomko-Nomden I respect your choice to disable recalculations but that is not relevant at all. We generally recommend it being turned on. I would appreciate you not pushing this setting on other users especially when unrelated 🙂

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        @Corjan-Meijerink said in Route differences since new update!:

        Nopes! Fastest route is always calculated by HERE.

        Okay! So calculated by HERE, presented on a OSM map?
        I stand corrected 😉

        I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

        Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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        • stuart marrittundefined stuart marritt

          I have have offline maps downloaded but try not to use them if at all possible

          If I have a signal I am always using online maps

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          @stuart-marritt said in Route differences since new update!:

          If I have a signal I am always using online maps

          If you have offline maps, they will be used whether you have signal or not.
          It is only the calculation of routes that is done online, if you did not enable offline routing explicitly.
          Why would you not want to use offline maps If you have them?

          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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          • stuart marrittundefined stuart marritt

            I was out at the weekend and had no plan

            We popped for breakfast up the road then picked a place to go to and viewed the route before hitting navigate and thought thats not a bad route I will go for that.

            Here is the route
            Screenshot_20250629_105851.jpg

            Upon selecting the route it now gives me two options for two different routes that are nowhere near the same as the one that I had decided to go for?

            See screenshots

            Screenshot_20250629_105915.jpg

            Screenshot_20250629_105920.jpg

            How come routes are so different? and why am I getting options instead of the route that I had already chose to ride?

            Is this a new bug since the update to the scenic route?

            Thanks
            Stu

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            @stuart-marritt trying to simulate/re-create your route/situation I get the following
            3be7ec7e-834f-483f-a5fa-7ced3aabbd7d-image.png
            so I am seeing all 3 of your options
            with the choice to choose routes of 55minutes (your prefered route) & 2 others of 1 hour each

            to me appears for some reason you dont get to see or select all the options, yur choice is presented in a different manner/format
            what device are you using to navigate & what version of mra do you have?

            BlackView BV7100, Android 12, Offline mode with Offline Maps

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            • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

              @stuart-marritt trying to simulate/re-create your route/situation I get the following
              3be7ec7e-834f-483f-a5fa-7ced3aabbd7d-image.png
              so I am seeing all 3 of your options
              with the choice to choose routes of 55minutes (your prefered route) & 2 others of 1 hour each

              to me appears for some reason you dont get to see or select all the options, yur choice is presented in a different manner/format
              what device are you using to navigate & what version of mra do you have?

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              @Brian-McG

              That's what I would expect but as per the screen shot it's not what I got!

              I am using a Samsung s20 fe and I always have the latest version installed

              I always check the night before for any updates

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              • stuart marrittundefined stuart marritt

                @Brian-McG

                That's what I would expect but as per the screen shot it's not what I got!

                I am using a Samsung s20 fe and I always have the latest version installed

                I always check the night before for any updates

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                Hi @stuart-marritt
                if you now just choose an arbitary destination 30-40 miles from your current location & start navigating the route, what do your options look like, can you screenshot the choices given?

                BlackView BV7100, Android 12, Offline mode with Offline Maps

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                  I have just picked the same end point as I had the issue on but I am at my home so is a different start location but it now gives me 3 routes

                  Screenshot_20250704_165508.jpg

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                    in original screenshots it looked like your phone was in landscape mode
                    latest is in portrait mode
                    it is a longshot but somehow somwhere it looks like the original graphic choice screen had a glitch/error & only showed the 2 choices & not your optimal first choice

                    BlackView BV7100, Android 12, Offline mode with Offline Maps

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                    • Brian McGundefined Brian McG

                      in original screenshots it looked like your phone was in landscape mode
                      latest is in portrait mode
                      it is a longshot but somehow somwhere it looks like the original graphic choice screen had a glitch/error & only showed the 2 choices & not your optimal first choice

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                      @Brian-McG for reference here is the same in landscape

                      Although I took the original in landscape it was doing the same in portrait too.

                      757fe8db-a6ea-4427-86be-5c3415c267a1-1_all_18342.jpg

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                        sorry I have no idea how the choice screen can glitch to show only 2 options instead of 3
                        I will leave that question/answer to someone with a bit more knowledge
                        best of luck

                        BlackView BV7100, Android 12, Offline mode with Offline Maps

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                          Works as expected so to see.
                          My reasoning before would be correct then it being a one time thing due to a mistiming at HERE calculations.

                          The orientation has no effect, reloading does as it will recalculate yielding 1, 2 or 3 routes again based on the moment. Usually quite consistent.

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                          • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                            Works as expected so to see.
                            My reasoning before would be correct then it being a one time thing due to a mistiming at HERE calculations.

                            The orientation has no effect, reloading does as it will recalculate yielding 1, 2 or 3 routes again based on the moment. Usually quite consistent.

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                            @Corjan-Meijerink Yes looks as though it was a one time thing!

                            I will keep an eye on it and report back if it happens again

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