Another day MyRoute-app screwed up My Route

M. Schrijver

@Ton-Machielsen
Ahh cause found.
You've select "start at nearest waypoint" that is Waypoint 18 in your case. Unselect this option and try again.

Marinus van Deudekom

@Ton-Machielsen when navigating with the nex app is will go OK. If you would use such a route in lets say an Garmin XT, you would be in great trouble.
That's why we have and use MRA next

M. Schrijver

@Ton-Machielsen
There is already a radius. But this radius is limited for a reason. Point 7, 11, 12 and 16 on route shows why. It is normal practice that you do your best to place the waypoints on the road.

Ton Machielsen

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Ton Machielsen

@M-Schrijver Where can I find this setting?

M. Schrijver

It is the first option below de "start" button

Ton Machielsen

Ha! Never seen that menu before!! Thanks!

Ton Machielsen

Any idea why I don’t get the waypoint hand and Skip Waypoint icon on the CarPlay? (see https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/61333)

Remember I am on a bike. I have the phone in my pocket and am navigating through the CarPlay device.

Marinus van Deudekom

@Ton-Machielsen Due to restrictions by Apple and Google the viapoint sign is NOT on Androis Auto and Carplay

Ton Machielsen

@M-Schrijver Is the “Navigate routes as tracks” option my solution?

richtea999

@Ton-Machielsen said in Another day MyRoute-app screwed up My Route:

@M-Schrijver Understand. That’s why I am suggesting a radius for the waypoint hits. If you pass the waypoint within that distance the waypoint is considered as hit.

That is a sensible suggestion - agreed, but I suspect the radius must change depending on the circumstances. Roads that are close together will require a smaller radius to be drawn by MRA, so basically, the radius info would just be telling you what you know you need to do anyway - i.e. drop the waypoints 'accurately'!

M. Schrijver

@Ton-Machielsen
No. If you want route to be riden reliable. The route itself should be made reliable. A navigation cannot fix a badly made route.

Con Hennekens

@Ton-Machielsen, I guess this thread gives some "food for thought"
Great thread, that shows the power of an "old-fashioned" forum!

Ton Machielsen

@M-Schrijver said in Another day MyRoute-app screwed up My Route:

@Ton-Machielsen
No. If you want route to be riden reliable. The route itself should be made reliable. A navigation cannot fix a badly made route.

Ok, i'll bite. Define "a badly made route".
My take is that if the app shows the route i want to ride, the app should follow that route.
What's your take?

Ton Machielsen

@Marinus-van-Deudekom said in Another day MyRoute-app screwed up My Route:

@Ton-Machielsen Due to restrictions by Apple and Google the viapoint sign is NOT on Androis Auto and Carplay

Meaning the "Skip Waypoint" icon is also not? So how do i skip waypoints? Stopping, taking my gloves off, taking my phone out of my pocket, click "Skip waypoint", dress up and continue?

Marinus van Deudekom

@Ton-Machielsen yep unfortunately that's the case when using Android Auto or CarPlay.

Marinus van Deudekom

@Ton-Machielsen not completely true. As long as you stay within MRA its by design that MRA will save the day and keep you on the route, even if the route is not made correctly like in your example. However if you wanted to use that same route in a dedicated device like a Garmin XT you would be in for a real bad day with a messed up route.

Ton Machielsen

@Marinus-van-Deudekom Yeah, and that's where i am struggling, apparently. I was assuming that if MyRoute-app drew the correct route, even though my waypoints are besides the road, that the app would prioritise the route over the waypoints. Which is not the case from what i experience and read.
I guess i will have to either be VERY precise in where i put my waypoints or choose another app which is following a route (route app, remember, not waypoint app) instead of waypoints.

Ton Machielsen

Team!! Thanks for all the suggestions and bearing with my gripes and complaints. I am getting there. I must admit, apart from maybe two or three, all my waypoints were quite far away of the road i was planning to take. I have corrected them and re-uploaded the route here: https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/10719669 I hope the waypoints are positioned better now.

While doing this i think that a small fix (not being a programmer) could avoid this situation. I plan on the mobile app, not on the computer, and while correcting the waypoints i came up with two improvements:

When holding the waypoint and moving it, you can not actually see where you place it because your finger is right on top of the waypoint. And since precision is required, it would be helpful if the waypoint on the screen was a bit offset from the finger on the screen. Unless there are more efficient ways of moving a waypoint, of course.
When moving a waypoint, making it snap to the nearest road would be helpful as well. I think that when i double-tap a road a new waypoint is placed on the road. This function would be helpful while moving waypoints as well. Unless there are tricks like double-tap on the road and removing the other one would work as well. Haven't tried that yet.

Ideas?

And yes, again, i am getting there, i hope.

richtea999

@Ton-Machielsen
The revised route looks a lot better, Ton.
I still advise you to place the start and end points on roads though, and maybe a few metres in the direction you're intending to set off / arrive from, just to guaranteee you pass through them. Especially the start one.

On the improvements front, they're good suggestions, but here's one for you in the meantime (because they'll not happen fast, if ever):

Get a stylus. Something like a basic Wacom one is cheap, pleasant to use, and it's a pen as a bonus:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wacom-Universal-Ballpoint-Smartphones-Touchscreen/dp/B07YDX6Y24
Then you can see what you're doing under the stylus tip!