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How to incorporate public gravel roads when planning a route

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  • undefined Nick Carthew
    3 Feb 2025, 17:03

    @derek-c Just for your information and from my experience as an ex TT user, of all the GPS devices available, the TomTom Rider is least likely to use gravel roads. That's not to say that it won't, if you can plan your route on the TT planning map there's a good chance that your Rider will guide you.
    As Corjan has already stated, the OSM map shows gravel roads better. If I was you I would plan on the TomTom planning map and use the OSM overlay map.
    Think of the overlay maps as clear sheets with extra information that you lay over the planning map, the planning map underneath does all the calculations.
    In my example below, I am using the TomTom planning map and I have the OpenStreetMap (OSM) open.
    Route points 2, 3, 4 and 5 are all off road. You can see that the TomTom planning map has drawn a line for 2, 4 and 5 but not for 3. So in this situation, you could either make a mental note about route point 3 or just delete it.

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    Guzt
    wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 18:12 last edited by
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    @Nick-Carthew didn't tried it, but perhaps setting the activity profile to pedestrian may help?

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      3 Feb 2025, 18:12

      @Nick-Carthew didn't tried it, but perhaps setting the activity profile to pedestrian may help?

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      wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 20:00 last edited by
      #11

      @Guzt The TomTom Rider does not recognise walking routes.

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      • undefined derek c
        3 Feb 2025, 17:44

        @Rob-Veerman yes was thinking that might be the case so how do I fix this? I originally bought the gold membership thinking that the off-road map section would cater for dirt roads 🤦🏻

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        wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 20:02 last edited by
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        @derek-c said in How to incorporate public gravel roads when planning a route:

        @Rob-Veerman yes was thinking that might be the case so how do I fix this? I originally bought the gold membership thinking that the off-road map section would cater for dirt roads 🤦🏻

        The limiting factor here is the TomTom Rider, they are just not designed for off road navigation.

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        • undefined derek c
          3 Feb 2025, 17:44

          @Rob-Veerman yes was thinking that might be the case so how do I fix this? I originally bought the gold membership thinking that the off-road map section would cater for dirt roads 🤦🏻

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          Rob Veerman
          wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 21:10 last edited by Rob Veerman 2 Mar 2025, 21:30
          #13

          @derek-c There's no real fix for this. The TomTom Rider is an excellent device and far more user friendly than the Garmin devices, but the problem is - like I wrote - that it will not take a road that is not in its map, it will recalculate the route and will look for roads on its maps. Normally not a big problem if it's just a matter of taking another street or a nearby side road. But it's a more serious problem if you want to go riding off road. The TomTom Rider will always recalculate another route that it will find on the map that is built in. The software is just designed that way. It's not a device to be used for long distance off roading. What I have done in the past (when I used the TomTom Rider) was the following: I stopped the route, started it again, did not press on the button 'Ride', followed the cursor while riding to a road that is part of the designed route and then press on 'Ride' the moment I had reached the original route. That looks a bit like the Garmin where you can switch off the recalculating (but you can't switch that off in the Rider). But that's not a real option for serious off roading. The limitations are in the software of the TomTom Rider (and at this moment you can't use another map in the Rider than the one that's built in). Being a long distance rider taking all kinds of roads that are not always on the TomTom built in maps I switched to Garmin. For creating routes you can off course use the TomTom map in MRA web planner. Part of the problem is that you are riding with others that still might use a TomTom. They will have to follow the leader.

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          • undefined Rob Veerman
            3 Feb 2025, 21:10

            @derek-c There's no real fix for this. The TomTom Rider is an excellent device and far more user friendly than the Garmin devices, but the problem is - like I wrote - that it will not take a road that is not in its map, it will recalculate the route and will look for roads on its maps. Normally not a big problem if it's just a matter of taking another street or a nearby side road. But it's a more serious problem if you want to go riding off road. The TomTom Rider will always recalculate another route that it will find on the map that is built in. The software is just designed that way. It's not a device to be used for long distance off roading. What I have done in the past (when I used the TomTom Rider) was the following: I stopped the route, started it again, did not press on the button 'Ride', followed the cursor while riding to a road that is part of the designed route and then press on 'Ride' the moment I had reached the original route. That looks a bit like the Garmin where you can switch off the recalculating (but you can't switch that off in the Rider). But that's not a real option for serious off roading. The limitations are in the software of the TomTom Rider (and at this moment you can't use another map in the Rider than the one that's built in). Being a long distance rider taking all kinds of roads that are not always on the TomTom built in maps I switched to Garmin. For creating routes you can off course use the TomTom map in MRA web planner. Part of the problem is that you are riding with others that still might use a TomTom. They will have to follow the leader.

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            derek c
            wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 22:36 last edited by
            #14

            @Rob-Veerman is like to say.thanks to everyone who’s commented what a great forum this is .. pity as a new member on here I have to wait 60 mins to post a reply 🤣🤣hence the reason for the shoutouts hopefully that will change soon 🤣 it’s looking like I may have to do as you say rob and try budget for a garmin pity cause I like the ease of use with tomtom I found garmins of the past hard to get used to I can see myself leading the whole trip now cause everyone else has tomtoms

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            • undefined Rob Veerman
              3 Feb 2025, 21:10

              @derek-c There's no real fix for this. The TomTom Rider is an excellent device and far more user friendly than the Garmin devices, but the problem is - like I wrote - that it will not take a road that is not in its map, it will recalculate the route and will look for roads on its maps. Normally not a big problem if it's just a matter of taking another street or a nearby side road. But it's a more serious problem if you want to go riding off road. The TomTom Rider will always recalculate another route that it will find on the map that is built in. The software is just designed that way. It's not a device to be used for long distance off roading. What I have done in the past (when I used the TomTom Rider) was the following: I stopped the route, started it again, did not press on the button 'Ride', followed the cursor while riding to a road that is part of the designed route and then press on 'Ride' the moment I had reached the original route. That looks a bit like the Garmin where you can switch off the recalculating (but you can't switch that off in the Rider). But that's not a real option for serious off roading. The limitations are in the software of the TomTom Rider (and at this moment you can't use another map in the Rider than the one that's built in). Being a long distance rider taking all kinds of roads that are not always on the TomTom built in maps I switched to Garmin. For creating routes you can off course use the TomTom map in MRA web planner. Part of the problem is that you are riding with others that still might use a TomTom. They will have to follow the leader.

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              derek c
              wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 23:51 last edited by
              #15

              @Rob-Veerman I’m wondering if it might be an idea to use The Route lab on my computer to create the routes and then use the MyRoute-app on my iPhone with off-line maps of Spain
              (so not relying on phone data coverage ) but which map in the tool kit works best with the MyRoute- app would do you recommend?

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              • undefined derek c
                3 Feb 2025, 23:51

                @Rob-Veerman I’m wondering if it might be an idea to use The Route lab on my computer to create the routes and then use the MyRoute-app on my iPhone with off-line maps of Spain
                (so not relying on phone data coverage ) but which map in the tool kit works best with the MyRoute- app would do you recommend?

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                Rob Veerman
                wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 12:24 last edited by Rob Veerman 2 Apr 2025, 12:26
                #16

                @derek-c That is certainly a possibility. If you use the HERE-map you might still miss a few off road tracks.

                You still have some time left before departure, so you could also try the (free) Maps.me app. Just try it out.

                Free download in the App store and once the app is installed OSM maps are also free to download. With Maps.me and the routes that go off road on your phone you can still use your TomTom for the remaining (parts of) your routes. No need to buy a Garmin then. I have used Maps.me more than several times when being far away.

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                • undefined Rob Veerman
                  4 Feb 2025, 12:24

                  @derek-c That is certainly a possibility. If you use the HERE-map you might still miss a few off road tracks.

                  You still have some time left before departure, so you could also try the (free) Maps.me app. Just try it out.

                  Free download in the App store and once the app is installed OSM maps are also free to download. With Maps.me and the routes that go off road on your phone you can still use your TomTom for the remaining (parts of) your routes. No need to buy a Garmin then. I have used Maps.me more than several times when being far away.

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                  derek c
                  wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 20:14 last edited by
                  #17

                  @Rob-Veerman … ye seems it might be a bit of a faff looking at 2 devices at once while trying to figure out what’s what and concentrate on the gravel roads o want something simple and straightforward 😆I
                  might have to bite the bullet and get a garmin do you know what’s the minimum software version needed when it comes to garmin satnavs that work seemlessly with My route ?

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                  • undefined derek c
                    4 Feb 2025, 20:14

                    @Rob-Veerman … ye seems it might be a bit of a faff looking at 2 devices at once while trying to figure out what’s what and concentrate on the gravel roads o want something simple and straightforward 😆I
                    might have to bite the bullet and get a garmin do you know what’s the minimum software version needed when it comes to garmin satnavs that work seemlessly with My route ?

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                    Rob Veerman
                    wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 20:41 last edited by Rob Veerman 2 Apr 2025, 21:22
                    #18

                    @derek-c if you are really in for a Garmin I would go for the Zumo XT. There’s no need to go for the XT2. GPX files made with MRA web planner can easily be transferred to the Zumo XT by using the app of MRA app and then have them sent to the app Garmin Drive that is paired to the ZumoXT (the GPX file can be sent via Bluetooth).

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                    • undefined Rob Veerman
                      4 Feb 2025, 20:41

                      @derek-c if you are really in for a Garmin I would go for the Zumo XT. There’s no need to go for the XT2. GPX files made with MRA web planner can easily be transferred to the Zumo XT by using the app of MRA app and then have them sent to the app Garmin Drive that is paired to the ZumoXT (the GPX file can be sent via Bluetooth).

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                      derek c
                      wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 21:15 last edited by
                      #19

                      @Rob-Veerman @Rob-Veerman thanks you’ve been most helpful really appreciate the quick reply’s 🙏
                      I’ll keep an eye out for the xt and see if I can get any deals but in the meantime I’ve just downloaded all of Spain onto my phone for off line use so like i was saying before I’m hoping to hopefully plan a route with one of the best maps in the toolkit don’t know yet which one on route lab and then when the time comes and I arrive in Spain the plan is to just switch to off line maps and on the right track there? 🤣🤣

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                      • undefined derek c
                        4 Feb 2025, 21:15

                        @Rob-Veerman @Rob-Veerman thanks you’ve been most helpful really appreciate the quick reply’s 🙏
                        I’ll keep an eye out for the xt and see if I can get any deals but in the meantime I’ve just downloaded all of Spain onto my phone for off line use so like i was saying before I’m hoping to hopefully plan a route with one of the best maps in the toolkit don’t know yet which one on route lab and then when the time comes and I arrive in Spain the plan is to just switch to off line maps and on the right track there? 🤣🤣

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                        Rob Veerman
                        wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 21:32 last edited by
                        #20

                        @derek-c Good luck and have fun. Remember the English saying: 'Don't put all your eggs in one basket'.

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                        • undefined Rob Veerman
                          3 Feb 2025, 21:10

                          @derek-c There's no real fix for this. The TomTom Rider is an excellent device and far more user friendly than the Garmin devices, but the problem is - like I wrote - that it will not take a road that is not in its map, it will recalculate the route and will look for roads on its maps. Normally not a big problem if it's just a matter of taking another street or a nearby side road. But it's a more serious problem if you want to go riding off road. The TomTom Rider will always recalculate another route that it will find on the map that is built in. The software is just designed that way. It's not a device to be used for long distance off roading. What I have done in the past (when I used the TomTom Rider) was the following: I stopped the route, started it again, did not press on the button 'Ride', followed the cursor while riding to a road that is part of the designed route and then press on 'Ride' the moment I had reached the original route. That looks a bit like the Garmin where you can switch off the recalculating (but you can't switch that off in the Rider). But that's not a real option for serious off roading. The limitations are in the software of the TomTom Rider (and at this moment you can't use another map in the Rider than the one that's built in). Being a long distance rider taking all kinds of roads that are not always on the TomTom built in maps I switched to Garmin. For creating routes you can off course use the TomTom map in MRA web planner. Part of the problem is that you are riding with others that still might use a TomTom. They will have to follow the leader.

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                          Kenny 1
                          wrote on 20 Apr 2025, 05:50 last edited by Kenny 1
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                          @Rob-Veerman I will agree. I was having the same problem. Searching for some useful guidance and came to the conclusion you describe here. It is a limitation of the map source in the device.

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