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  • undefined Con Hennekens
    21 May 2024, 08:03

    Sorry, I have been on a short break for a few days.

    @Flat-Twin-Therapy said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:

    Not sure if I understand your remark correctly... Are you saying the HERE app also suffers from the same battery drain as MRA? Because, that is not the case.

    Yes that's exactly what I am saying.

    I use HERE for years during my summer holiday to navigate: connected with an USB cable I have a positive charge.

    The platform that MRA has built their app on, is the same as HERE has built their own HERE WeGo app on, and they both suffer the same problem which has been confirmed by MRA as well as HERE. It also needs to be said that by for NOT everyone experiences a negative charge while navigating with MRA Navigation Next. My own CAT phone has no problem whatsoever with charging while navigating.

    I don't know which HERE app you have been using, and I also don't know since which version exactly the HERE WeGo app uses this specific platform. HERE has multiple apps, not all using the same platform. The current platform has not been around for much longer than a year, so you probably are comparing different platforms. MRA's "Previous" Navigation app also used an older HERE platform and did not suffer the battery drain problem whatsoever.

    In the current state of the HERE WeGo app they could well be experimenting with improvements in the SDK that will benefit MRA too when they get published to HERE customers. I have not compared the apps recently.

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    wrote on 21 May 2024, 08:07 last edited by
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    @Con-Hennekens
    please please please stop downplaying this issue. It is a serious problem , see lots of other threads (also in other languages and multiple people reporting it over a longer period of time
    (and I doubt everyone is reporting it.):

    It also needs to be said that by for NOT everyone experiences a negative charge while navigating with MRA Navigation Next. M
    

    Samsung S24+ Android, Carpuride W702 , KTM 1290 Super Adventure & Wielrenfietsen

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      21 May 2024, 08:07

      @Con-Hennekens
      please please please stop downplaying this issue. It is a serious problem , see lots of other threads (also in other languages and multiple people reporting it over a longer period of time
      (and I doubt everyone is reporting it.):

      It also needs to be said that by for NOT everyone experiences a negative charge while navigating with MRA Navigation Next. M
      
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      Con Hennekens
      Alpha tester
      wrote on 21 May 2024, 08:13 last edited by
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      @Edwin_M I am NOT downplaying anything, just stating facts.

      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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        Marinus van Deudekom
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        wrote on 21 May 2024, 20:45 last edited by
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        @Peter-Schiefer today I did a test using the Here we go app to see if only using that app would lead to the same power consumption. After I installed that app and tried to use in the first 5 km. It crashed 5 Times. I started with 78 % battery with the phone pluged in to usb cable in my car. In those 5 km I had a negative power on the phone and when I quit after 5 crashes it was 77%.
        Then I finished the rest of my 125 km drive using MRA next with my Android auto screen. I turned off the screen of the phone only using the car’s screen. When I finished the trip my battery had a positive charge and ended with 84% so the phone could keep up charging.

        Honda Goldwing GL1500,
        Honda Silverwing GL 650
        DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
        Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
        Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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        • undefined Marinus van Deudekom
          21 May 2024, 20:45

          @Peter-Schiefer today I did a test using the Here we go app to see if only using that app would lead to the same power consumption. After I installed that app and tried to use in the first 5 km. It crashed 5 Times. I started with 78 % battery with the phone pluged in to usb cable in my car. In those 5 km I had a negative power on the phone and when I quit after 5 crashes it was 77%.
          Then I finished the rest of my 125 km drive using MRA next with my Android auto screen. I turned off the screen of the phone only using the car’s screen. When I finished the trip my battery had a positive charge and ended with 84% so the phone could keep up charging.

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          GT JWR
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          wrote on 21 May 2024, 21:02 last edited by
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          @Marinus-van-Deudekom I'm 50/50 at best whether the iPhone charges positively or negtively, whether using the app direct on the phone or in CarPlay with the phone screen off.

          This is only part of the problem - the other part is the very hot battery on the phone as its trying to keep up the charge, combined with the iPhone going into protect mode because of it - which makes the screen unviewable when the nav app is used. For me, this is the biggest issue.

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            Marinus van Deudekom
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            wrote on 21 May 2024, 21:12 last edited by
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            @Peter-Schiefer well I was only trying to see if that Here we Go app would also drain my battery and my conclusion in that short while was that it was. So back to @Corjan-Meijerink trying to work it Out with Here

            Honda Goldwing GL1500,
            Honda Silverwing GL 650
            DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
            Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
            Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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            • undefined Con Hennekens
              21 May 2024, 08:03

              Sorry, I have been on a short break for a few days.

              @Flat-Twin-Therapy said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:

              Not sure if I understand your remark correctly... Are you saying the HERE app also suffers from the same battery drain as MRA? Because, that is not the case.

              Yes that's exactly what I am saying.

              I use HERE for years during my summer holiday to navigate: connected with an USB cable I have a positive charge.

              The platform that MRA has built their app on, is the same as HERE has built their own HERE WeGo app on, and they both suffer the same problem which has been confirmed by MRA as well as HERE. It also needs to be said that by for NOT everyone experiences a negative charge while navigating with MRA Navigation Next. My own CAT phone has no problem whatsoever with charging while navigating.

              I don't know which HERE app you have been using, and I also don't know since which version exactly the HERE WeGo app uses this specific platform. HERE has multiple apps, not all using the same platform. The current platform has not been around for much longer than a year, so you probably are comparing different platforms. MRA's "Previous" Navigation app also used an older HERE platform and did not suffer the battery drain problem whatsoever.

              In the current state of the HERE WeGo app they could well be experimenting with improvements in the SDK that will benefit MRA too when they get published to HERE customers. I have not compared the apps recently.

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              Flat Twin Therapy
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                Flat Twin Therapy
                wrote on 22 May 2024, 05:30 last edited by Flat Twin Therapy
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                @Con-Hennekens

                I don't know which HERE app you have been using, and I also don't know since which version exactly the HERE WeGo app uses this specific platform. HERE has multiple apps, not all using the same platform.


                I'm using this HERE app
                https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.here.app.maps

                Again, for years I'm using this app. Since 2018 at least. I know this, because I create "collections" as they call it: folders to store places. I create a collection for each holiday. Oldest collection still in my app is that of my 2018 summer holiday.

                I've always used Android. On my 3rd phone since 2018, I guess.

                Always had a positive charge with this HERE app.
                I don't know any other HERE app.

                Perhaps the above statement is about what you call the "older platform". But again: I tried multiple times with the latest HERE app this week: positive charge.

                I never used the old MRA App, so I cannot share my experience of that app.

                It also needs to be said that by for NOT everyone experiences a negative charge while navigating with MRA Navigation Next.


                I do get the remark of the other MRA member saying that you should not downplay this issue.

                Nobody is saying that everybody has this issue. We know that. But a lot of people do have the issue, continously.
                I can only speak for myself, but I love MRA. I would love to use it on all my rides and I would love to help. I probably only can help by sharing experiences/information.

                Hope this helps to improve the product.

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                • undefined Flat Twin Therapy
                  22 May 2024, 05:30

                  @Con-Hennekens

                  I don't know which HERE app you have been using, and I also don't know since which version exactly the HERE WeGo app uses this specific platform. HERE has multiple apps, not all using the same platform.


                  I'm using this HERE app
                  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.here.app.maps

                  Again, for years I'm using this app. Since 2018 at least. I know this, because I create "collections" as they call it: folders to store places. I create a collection for each holiday. Oldest collection still in my app is that of my 2018 summer holiday.

                  I've always used Android. On my 3rd phone since 2018, I guess.

                  Always had a positive charge with this HERE app.
                  I don't know any other HERE app.

                  Perhaps the above statement is about what you call the "older platform". But again: I tried multiple times with the latest HERE app this week: positive charge.

                  I never used the old MRA App, so I cannot share my experience of that app.

                  It also needs to be said that by for NOT everyone experiences a negative charge while navigating with MRA Navigation Next.


                  I do get the remark of the other MRA member saying that you should not downplay this issue.

                  Nobody is saying that everybody has this issue. We know that. But a lot of people do have the issue, continously.
                  I can only speak for myself, but I love MRA. I would love to use it on all my rides and I would love to help. I probably only can help by sharing experiences/information.

                  Hope this helps to improve the product.

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                  Marinus van Deudekom
                  Valued contributor
                  wrote on 22 May 2024, 06:02 last edited by
                  #18

                  @Flat-Twin-Therapy yep thats the app that I've been using and that crashed 5 times in 5km

                  Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                  Honda Silverwing GL 650
                  DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                  Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                  Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                  • undefined Flat Twin Therapy
                    22 May 2024, 05:30

                    @Con-Hennekens

                    I don't know which HERE app you have been using, and I also don't know since which version exactly the HERE WeGo app uses this specific platform. HERE has multiple apps, not all using the same platform.


                    I'm using this HERE app
                    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.here.app.maps

                    Again, for years I'm using this app. Since 2018 at least. I know this, because I create "collections" as they call it: folders to store places. I create a collection for each holiday. Oldest collection still in my app is that of my 2018 summer holiday.

                    I've always used Android. On my 3rd phone since 2018, I guess.

                    Always had a positive charge with this HERE app.
                    I don't know any other HERE app.

                    Perhaps the above statement is about what you call the "older platform". But again: I tried multiple times with the latest HERE app this week: positive charge.

                    I never used the old MRA App, so I cannot share my experience of that app.

                    It also needs to be said that by for NOT everyone experiences a negative charge while navigating with MRA Navigation Next.


                    I do get the remark of the other MRA member saying that you should not downplay this issue.

                    Nobody is saying that everybody has this issue. We know that. But a lot of people do have the issue, continously.
                    I can only speak for myself, but I love MRA. I would love to use it on all my rides and I would love to help. I probably only can help by sharing experiences/information.

                    Hope this helps to improve the product.

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                    Con Hennekens
                    Alpha tester
                    wrote on 22 May 2024, 07:01 last edited by
                    #19

                    @Flat-Twin-Therapy, thanks for the info. I have been test-riding this app this morning to my work, to compare the powerdrain with the MRA app. I see indeed that the drain has gotten less than the MRA app, and I am hopeful that it is a sign for a solution to arrive at MRA also. During my drive, navigating on my Pixel 8 Pro, the HERE WeGo app took about 600mA while the MRA took about 1200mA (both including system overhead). It looks though the 600mA are quite stable and independent of speed, while in the MRA app speed is a large factor. The slower you go the less power it draines. It seems larger movement of the map rises the power consumption for rendering. Sounds logical, but in the end it has to render as many frames a second as always, so I am not sure if I see the logic.

                    In my case, a power consumption of 1200mA is easily overcome by a decent charger and a compatible USB cable. On wireless charging, that can be a different case, with a lot more heat production. That is why I often explain that it is worth to look at the charging chain, but by no means I am downlplaying the issue.

                    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                    • undefined Con Hennekens
                      22 May 2024, 07:01

                      @Flat-Twin-Therapy, thanks for the info. I have been test-riding this app this morning to my work, to compare the powerdrain with the MRA app. I see indeed that the drain has gotten less than the MRA app, and I am hopeful that it is a sign for a solution to arrive at MRA also. During my drive, navigating on my Pixel 8 Pro, the HERE WeGo app took about 600mA while the MRA took about 1200mA (both including system overhead). It looks though the 600mA are quite stable and independent of speed, while in the MRA app speed is a large factor. The slower you go the less power it draines. It seems larger movement of the map rises the power consumption for rendering. Sounds logical, but in the end it has to render as many frames a second as always, so I am not sure if I see the logic.

                      In my case, a power consumption of 1200mA is easily overcome by a decent charger and a compatible USB cable. On wireless charging, that can be a different case, with a lot more heat production. That is why I often explain that it is worth to look at the charging chain, but by no means I am downlplaying the issue.

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                      Charles Rijken 0
                      wrote on 22 May 2024, 09:51 last edited by
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                      @Con-Hennekens

                      Does it matter if you use offline maps?

                      Zumo XT, Android en IOS phones

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                        Marinus van Deudekom
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                        wrote on 22 May 2024, 10:30 last edited by Marinus van Deudekom
                        #21

                        @Peter-Schiefer Maybe it's something that @Corjan-Meijerink could use while talking to Here to solve the problem
                        By the way looking at the reviews of Here WeGo its mainly very negative

                        Honda Goldwing GL1500,
                        Honda Silverwing GL 650
                        DMD2 T865X 8 inch Android tablet using MRA next for navigation
                        Garmin XT (almost in the cupboard)
                        Samsung S20FE mounted on a Quadlock and using Android Auto in my car

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                        • undefined Charles Rijken 0
                          22 May 2024, 09:51

                          @Con-Hennekens

                          Does it matter if you use offline maps?

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                          Con Hennekens
                          Alpha tester
                          wrote on 22 May 2024, 11:16 last edited by
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                          @Charles-Rijken-0, I doubt it. If anything it will be marginally I think.

                          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                            Con Hennekens
                            Alpha tester
                            wrote on 22 May 2024, 11:26 last edited by
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                            @Peter-Schiefer said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:

                            Perhaps the team should expand to include Corjan,

                            I am not sure what you mean by this. Corjan already is head of development.

                            @Marinus-van-Deudekom said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:

                            Maybe it's something that @Corjan-Meijerink could use while talking to Here to solve the problem

                            The beauty is that Corjan is in close contact with HERE's development department since a few weeks, instead of talking to customer service... It is MRA itself that brought the awareness to HERE that their own app suffers a battery drain problem. The better behaviour I saw in the HERE WeGo app this morning could well be the result of MRA's direct contact with HERE development. Now let us hope the same improvement will be rolled out to the customers SDK soon 😉

                            I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                            Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                            Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                              Mzokk
                              wrote on 22 May 2024, 12:26 last edited by
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                              The issue must be very phone defendant at least in Android. I didn't think that the navigation app was usable on AA until version 4.1.3-312. I use it via Android Auto on an Africa Twin with an old Motorola G7. Its slow to load but once loaded it works fine. I did a 120 mile route last week with it and the phone (cable connected) went from 85% to 100% on my return. For earlier iterations of the App the phone struggled to maintain charge. For speed I generally use my Garmin Zumo XT and I've also been experimenting with the AA version of OSMand+ which does not have power consumption issues. Why can't MRA use the OSM map set if the Here maps are so problematical??

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                                22 May 2024, 12:26

                                The issue must be very phone defendant at least in Android. I didn't think that the navigation app was usable on AA until version 4.1.3-312. I use it via Android Auto on an Africa Twin with an old Motorola G7. Its slow to load but once loaded it works fine. I did a 120 mile route last week with it and the phone (cable connected) went from 85% to 100% on my return. For earlier iterations of the App the phone struggled to maintain charge. For speed I generally use my Garmin Zumo XT and I've also been experimenting with the AA version of OSMand+ which does not have power consumption issues. Why can't MRA use the OSM map set if the Here maps are so problematical??

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                                Alpha tester
                                wrote on 22 May 2024, 12:49 last edited by
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                                @Mzokk said in Powerconsumption and MRA Next:

                                Why can't MRA use the OSM map set if the Here maps are so problematical?

                                Navigation apps are built around an SDK that is provided by the map provider. Switching to another map provider would basically mean developing a new app. The choice for HERE is partly based previous experience with a pretty good SDK (in the Previous Navigation app) and partly on the Flutter IDE that is compatible with the SDK. Basically that means that the app for IOS and Android can be built simultaneously with the same code. So the choice for HERE was not taken lightly, and in the light of everything getting better, probably the same choice would be made again today 😉

                                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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