Offline maps and routing
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@Berin, on the contrary, the app is VERY intuitive. Even intuitive software has a certain learning curve, especially if you previously used another tool for the same thing. I did not read the manual either, and I think it is VERY intuitive
The app makes perfect sense if you understand what it is doing. What it is doing is probably a bit different from what you are used to. Downloading offline maps is not the only thing needed to navigate completely offline. Offline maps are there mainly to prevent bandwidth usage while navigating. And of course offline maps are obligatory for offline navigating. Offline navigation is enabled in the settings: Navigation settings - Functional.
Pay attention also to the setting at the arrow. This one automatically makes available for offline usage all previously chosen routes. You only need to enter the download folder if at the time of choosing a route, you have no internet connection. The folder-view you see when tapping the Routes button in the main menu is a view into your online routes library. It is not so strange that it is not available when not having an internet connection. If you compare this to downloading routes to a Zumo or Rider, it is pretty much the same thing. With the added benefit of not having to do that at all, if your phone is connected to the internet. See? Pretty intuitive
Thanks for that. So, in summary, to navigate offline, while online;
Download maps
Set routing to offline
Set routes to be available offlineI’ve tried that with. The phone set to airplane mode and everything worked fine, including poi searches like petrol stations!
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Thanks for that. So, in summary, to navigate offline, while online;
Download maps
Set routing to offline
Set routes to be available offlineI’ve tried that with. The phone set to airplane mode and everything worked fine, including poi searches like petrol stations!
@Berin said in Offline maps and routing:
Thanks for that. So, in summary, to navigate offline, while online;
Download maps
Set routing to offline
Set routes to be available offlineI’ve tried that with. The phone set to airplane mode and everything worked fine, including poi searches like petrol stations!
You are welcome, glad it worked out.
@paul69 said in Offline maps and routing:
as explained above, it always needs to have wifi enabled after reboot.
Hmm, I am thinking after a reboot perhaps the app needs to re-validate your account info...
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@Berin said in Offline maps and routing:
Thanks for that. So, in summary, to navigate offline, while online;
Download maps
Set routing to offline
Set routes to be available offlineI’ve tried that with. The phone set to airplane mode and everything worked fine, including poi searches like petrol stations!
You are welcome, glad it worked out.
@paul69 said in Offline maps and routing:
as explained above, it always needs to have wifi enabled after reboot.
Hmm, I am thinking after a reboot perhaps the app needs to re-validate your account info...
hi @Con-Hennekens said in Offline maps and routing:
Hmm, I am thinking after a reboot perhaps the app needs to re-validate your account info...
I have never actually made any tests of this, it just happens. I did not think it was an issue, i just presumed it was normal, and everyone had to do it.
I will carry this task out a number of times using different methods, with online, offline, airplane mode and any other way i can think of and report my findings -
I'm wondering: is the satellite view also downloaded when downloading a map for off-line use, or is it only the HERE map?
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ik weet dat dit misschien niet direct te maken heeft met dit topic. ik begrijp dat focus van MRA is offline is geheel offline. ik heb dit in italie aantal keren gedaan en dan kreeg ik in 50% van de gevallen route is niet te bereken. er zijn inmiddels updates geweest dus misschien werkt het nu wel. ik begrijp alleen niet de keuze volledig offline. in mijn oude kurviger v1 app kan ik gewoon kiezen kaarten offline gebruiken en routing offline gebruiken. zou dit niet een betere keuze zijn om deze 2 te scheiden dan kan je in hotel met wifi route starten en met offline kaarten rijden. mocht je onderweg even geen internet hebben dan gaat alles wel door.
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I'm wondering: is the satellite view also downloaded when downloading a map for off-line use, or is it only the HERE map?
@Dikke-Wim said in Offline maps and routing:
I'm wondering: is the satellite view also downloaded when downloading a map for off-line use, or is it only the HERE map?
Goeie vraag... Gebruik jij die daadwerkelijk voor het navigeren? In eerste instantie zou ik denken van niet, want het betreft een kaartlaag. Als je ine vliegtuigmodus een route start met de sateliet-laag aan, zie ik in eerste instantie wèl de satelliet kaart, waarschijnlijk vanuit de eerder gedwonloade cache. Echter als je gaat scrollen kom je in gebieden waar de kaart heel pixelig wordt. Ik denk dat dat een soort basis-kaart betreft, maar die is niet bruikbaar voor navigatie. Voor de route maakt dat verder niet uit, (die calculeert op de gewone kaart) maar de omgeving wordt wel onherkenbaar op het scherm.
@Bouke-Ent said in Offline maps and routing:
ik begrijp alleen niet de keuze volledig offline. in mijn oude kurviger v1 app kan ik gewoon kiezen kaarten offline gebruiken en routing offline gebruiken. zou dit niet een betere keuze zijn om deze 2 te scheiden dan kan je in hotel met wifi route starten en met offline kaarten rijden.
Volgens mij is dat al precies wat we doen, toch? De optie "offline navigeren" doet precies wat Kurviger doet met "routing offline gebruiken". De Kurviger optie "Kaarten offline gebruiken" hebben we niet nodig, want dat doet MRA al vanzelf zodra de kaarten offline beschikbaar zijn. Het lijkt me vreemd dat je zou kiezen voor online kaarten als je ze al offline gedownload hebt.
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good morning @Con-Hennekens
I told you I would report my findings following tests.
it would appear I was mistaken, although the anomaly I reported had happened a number of times, perhaps it was bug within my tablet.my tablet had no internet connection, wifi or otherwise during these tests. this is to imagine I was in the middle of nowhere with no connection.
tests as follows;
airplane mode and offline nav enabled>power off>power on>choose favourite destination>could not navigate route>10 seconds later>navigation possible.
and the ability to search for an address and navigate to that address i.e. A-B route.
also possible to load and navigate a downloaded route including the ability to continue from a different waypoint other than the start point.airplane mode>offline navigation disabled>power off>power on> choose different favourite>short delay>navigation possible.
point to note, offline navigation had enabled automatically.@Con you are probably aware of the above, but maybe this will help others understand the offline nav and no internet problem.
this is why I always use offline navigation and my tablet in airplane mode, this also helps battery life.
TBF I don't need traffic reports when on my motorbike, it would be different if I was in my campervan of course.to achieve, we must first attempt ✌️
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good morning @Con-Hennekens
I told you I would report my findings following tests.
it would appear I was mistaken, although the anomaly I reported had happened a number of times, perhaps it was bug within my tablet.my tablet had no internet connection, wifi or otherwise during these tests. this is to imagine I was in the middle of nowhere with no connection.
tests as follows;
airplane mode and offline nav enabled>power off>power on>choose favourite destination>could not navigate route>10 seconds later>navigation possible.
and the ability to search for an address and navigate to that address i.e. A-B route.
also possible to load and navigate a downloaded route including the ability to continue from a different waypoint other than the start point.airplane mode>offline navigation disabled>power off>power on> choose different favourite>short delay>navigation possible.
point to note, offline navigation had enabled automatically.@Con you are probably aware of the above, but maybe this will help others understand the offline nav and no internet problem.
this is why I always use offline navigation and my tablet in airplane mode, this also helps battery life.
TBF I don't need traffic reports when on my motorbike, it would be different if I was in my campervan of course.@paul69, thanks, I am glad it worked out.
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.
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@paul69, thanks, I am glad it worked out.
I believe, for me and in my experience, the best way is to always use navigation with the device in airplane mode, this was the same when using my iPhone, this prevents all the problems with internet connection being lost or intermittent.
Personally. I have not yet found a reason for the need to have an internet connection while navigating a route, pre-planned or otherwise.
Caveat, providing you have previously downloaded all the routes you had planned for the tour, which is a must, as I learned the hard way.
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@Dikke-Wim said in Offline maps and routing:
I'm wondering: is the satellite view also downloaded when downloading a map for off-line use, or is it only the HERE map?
Goeie vraag... Gebruik jij die daadwerkelijk voor het navigeren? In eerste instantie zou ik denken van niet, want het betreft een kaartlaag. Als je ine vliegtuigmodus een route start met de sateliet-laag aan, zie ik in eerste instantie wèl de satelliet kaart, waarschijnlijk vanuit de eerder gedwonloade cache. Echter als je gaat scrollen kom je in gebieden waar de kaart heel pixelig wordt. Ik denk dat dat een soort basis-kaart betreft, maar die is niet bruikbaar voor navigatie. Voor de route maakt dat verder niet uit, (die calculeert op de gewone kaart) maar de omgeving wordt wel onherkenbaar op het scherm.
@Bouke-Ent said in Offline maps and routing:
ik begrijp alleen niet de keuze volledig offline. in mijn oude kurviger v1 app kan ik gewoon kiezen kaarten offline gebruiken en routing offline gebruiken. zou dit niet een betere keuze zijn om deze 2 te scheiden dan kan je in hotel met wifi route starten en met offline kaarten rijden.
Volgens mij is dat al precies wat we doen, toch? De optie "offline navigeren" doet precies wat Kurviger doet met "routing offline gebruiken". De Kurviger optie "Kaarten offline gebruiken" hebben we niet nodig, want dat doet MRA al vanzelf zodra de kaarten offline beschikbaar zijn. Het lijkt me vreemd dat je zou kiezen voor online kaarten als je ze al offline gedownload hebt.
@Con-Hennekens hoe gaat offline dan om als je een regio niet gedownload hebt ? bv je hebt nederland gedownload en die zou hij dus offline pakken maar je rij belgie in pakt hij dan wel de online ? in kurviger krijg je dan al te voren melding route is niet mogelijk en op je scherm zie je geen kaart. bij kurviger v1 als je dan geheel offline ging had je optie om brouter te gebruiken maar dan moest je ook dekking hebben. ik zelf download altijd geheel mijn regio's en ik begrijp dus nu dat hij automatisch die pakt en dat scheelt al een deel van je data. hopelijk gaat offline route berekening komend jaar wel goed maar dat is afwachten.
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@Con-Hennekens hoe gaat offline dan om als je een regio niet gedownload hebt ? bv je hebt nederland gedownload en die zou hij dus offline pakken maar je rij belgie in pakt hij dan wel de online ? in kurviger krijg je dan al te voren melding route is niet mogelijk en op je scherm zie je geen kaart. bij kurviger v1 als je dan geheel offline ging had je optie om brouter te gebruiken maar dan moest je ook dekking hebben. ik zelf download altijd geheel mijn regio's en ik begrijp dus nu dat hij automatisch die pakt en dat scheelt al een deel van je data. hopelijk gaat offline route berekening komend jaar wel goed maar dat is afwachten.
@Bouke-Ent, Je route staat gecached, dus die gaat gewoon door. Je kaartweergave zal leeg zijn, maar de routelijn is nog steeds conform de werkelijkheid. Op het moment dat er iets van herberekening moet plaatsvinden ga je de mist in. Vraag me niet hoe ik dat weet...
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.
Streetpilot 2610/Zumo 660/Zumo 395/ CAT S52 + MRA app -
@Bouke-Ent, Je route staat gecached, dus die gaat gewoon door. Je kaartweergave zal leeg zijn, maar de routelijn is nog steeds conform de werkelijkheid. Op het moment dat er iets van herberekening moet plaatsvinden ga je de mist in. Vraag me niet hoe ik dat weet...
@Con-Hennekens bedankt voor uitleg.
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@Doug-Robinson
Thanks Doug. The app is really not very intuitive, and it seems the offline navigation isn’t really offline navigation if it will only run a pre calculated route, and only then if started from the download folder.Why would I read a manual? If I have to read a manual to do something very basic then there’s an issue with the app. Especially if it’s for something like offline navigation which I would use only if I couldn’t use online navigation.
Some different thinking form the devs needed here, maybe.
@Berin many of the functions are very intuitive for basic operation. If you play with it long enough and try everything possible on the screen, eventually you learn most of it. I had a lawyer complain to me that the new phone system we installed should be intuitive enough that he should not have to attend training. I told hom that I'm sure he can figure out how to receive and make phone calls, but if he wants to learn how to make full use of the features of the system he should attend training. He eventually did.
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@Berin many of the functions are very intuitive for basic operation. If you play with it long enough and try everything possible on the screen, eventually you learn most of it. I had a lawyer complain to me that the new phone system we installed should be intuitive enough that he should not have to attend training. I told hom that I'm sure he can figure out how to receive and make phone calls, but if he wants to learn how to make full use of the features of the system he should attend training. He eventually did.
@RetiredWingMan Fascinating story, I'm sure.
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@RetiredWingMan Fascinating story, I'm sure.
However all this was resolved about 2 months ago.I've tried using offline navigation today for the first time, and it didn't work. I had both the country map and the route downloaded. My phone was in airplane mode when I launched the app. I selected the route from the downloads list, and then tapped the button to start navigation, which then resulted in this screen.
I've checked the online manual and the forums and as far as I can tell it should work as long as I've downloaded the region map and the route. Am I missing something?
Edit: I've found a forum post that I somehow missed in my initial search, where another user says they solved the problem by rebooting the phone and then waiting a few minutes when they got the message and the routing eventually started working. I'll give that a try, but is that (having to wait several minutes for offline navigation to work) expected behaviour for the app?
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Jorge -
I've tried using offline navigation today for the first time, and it didn't work. I had both the country map and the route downloaded. My phone was in airplane mode when I launched the app. I selected the route from the downloads list, and then tapped the button to start navigation, which then resulted in this screen.
I've checked the online manual and the forums and as far as I can tell it should work as long as I've downloaded the region map and the route. Am I missing something?
Edit: I've found a forum post that I somehow missed in my initial search, where another user says they solved the problem by rebooting the phone and then waiting a few minutes when they got the message and the routing eventually started working. I'll give that a try, but is that (having to wait several minutes for offline navigation to work) expected behaviour for the app?
@Jorge-del-Valle Try turning off Calculate from current location to see if that makes a difference.
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@Jorge-del-Valle Try turning off Calculate from current location to see if that makes a difference.
@Nick-Carthew Thanks Nick, that worked. However I'm a bit puzzled by the meaning of that option.
What I mean is, when I turned it off it traced a route from my current location to the start of the downloaded route, so even though I'm disabling an option named "calculate from current location" it seems to actually do just that (calculate a route from my current location). It doesn't seem to do what one would expect based on the name, or maybe I'm misunderstanding its function? A search for the option in the online documentation doesn't yield any results for me.
Another thing that's strange is that, after stopping the navigation and closing the app, I then reopened it (again in offline mode) and then tried loading the same route and starting the navigation again. And this time it worked even though the "calculate from current location" was back to enabled.
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@Berin, on the contrary, the app is VERY intuitive. Even intuitive software has a certain learning curve, especially if you previously used another tool for the same thing. I did not read the manual either, and I think it is VERY intuitive
The app makes perfect sense if you understand what it is doing. What it is doing is probably a bit different from what you are used to. Downloading offline maps is not the only thing needed to navigate completely offline. Offline maps are there mainly to prevent bandwidth usage while navigating. And of course offline maps are obligatory for offline navigating. Offline navigation is enabled in the settings: Navigation settings - Functional.
Pay attention also to the setting at the arrow. This one automatically makes available for offline usage all previously chosen routes. You only need to enter the download folder if at the time of choosing a route, you have no internet connection. The folder-view you see when tapping the Routes button in the main menu is a view into your online routes library. It is not so strange that it is not available when not having an internet connection. If you compare this to downloading routes to a Zumo or Rider, it is pretty much the same thing. With the added benefit of not having to do that at all, if your phone is connected to the internet. See? Pretty intuitive
@Con-Hennekens Dit is een oude thread, maar hij roept bij mij een nieuwe vraag op.
In een van de posts staat een afbeelding van het 'Functional' menu, met daarin de optie 'Gebruikte Routes en Tracks automatisch downloaden voor offline gebruik'. Die optie zie ik bij mij niet staan. Kijk ik ergens overheen?
In one of the posts there's an image of the functional menu, with an option to automatically download maps and tracks. But I don't see it on my phone. Am I overlooking something?
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@Con-Hennekens Dit is een oude thread, maar hij roept bij mij een nieuwe vraag op.
In een van de posts staat een afbeelding van het 'Functional' menu, met daarin de optie 'Gebruikte Routes en Tracks automatisch downloaden voor offline gebruik'. Die optie zie ik bij mij niet staan. Kijk ik ergens overheen?
In one of the posts there's an image of the functional menu, with an option to automatically download maps and tracks. But I don't see it on my phone. Am I overlooking something?
@NineLizards that option is gone with the resent synchronisation implementation.
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@Nick-Carthew Thanks Nick, that worked. However I'm a bit puzzled by the meaning of that option.
What I mean is, when I turned it off it traced a route from my current location to the start of the downloaded route, so even though I'm disabling an option named "calculate from current location" it seems to actually do just that (calculate a route from my current location). It doesn't seem to do what one would expect based on the name, or maybe I'm misunderstanding its function? A search for the option in the online documentation doesn't yield any results for me.
Another thing that's strange is that, after stopping the navigation and closing the app, I then reopened it (again in offline mode) and then tried loading the same route and starting the navigation again. And this time it worked even though the "calculate from current location" was back to enabled.
@Jorge-del-Valle if you enable the calculate from current position then the time and distance shown will, jnclude the time and distance to you starting point. If you disable the option then the map only shows the route and the time and distance for the route. When you hit/tap navigate, you are still shown directions to your route starting point.
