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  • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

    Hi, I think we got a little further and were able to pinpoint the problem a little more precisely. It has nothing to do with the keyboard layout.
    The MotoButtons send key signals to MRA (n, c, +, -, left, right, up, down).
    During testing, I had Google open and cold see what keys were sent to my tablet. You could see +, -, for the zoom buttons, you could see c for the center button, and you could see n for long press center and on longer press nnnnnnnnnn.
    But as shown in the video, if you press n too long in MRA, MRA crashes.
    The first Idea was that is an issue of the MotoButtons, then I had the idea to use a Bluetooth keyboard in MRA (in BarButton Mode).
    Everything worked as expected, except when I press n longer, MRA crashes.
    So I can get the same problem, like in the above video with a BT keyboard.

    @Corjan-Meijerink can you take a look into this?

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    Corjan Meijerink
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    @Jörgen I've replied to the email thread.
    The issue regarding long pressing that character has been fixed for the next (beta) update.

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    • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

      @Jörgen I've replied to the email thread.
      The issue regarding long pressing that character has been fixed for the next (beta) update.

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      @Corjan-Meijerink Ok, thank you, saw the mail.

      So you think that this and the other issue with BT connection have the same cause?
      I will report after next update. 👍

      Hardware
      iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
      Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
      Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
      Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
      Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
      For more information, click here

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      • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

        @Corjan-Meijerink Ok, thank you, saw the mail.

        So you think that this and the other issue with BT connection have the same cause?
        I will report after next update. 👍

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        @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

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        • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

          @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

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          #21

          @Corjan-Meijerink : BT Tasten für die MyRoute App Anwendung für Android und iPhone.

          Meine Suche hat ergeben bzw. gezeigt das nur eine ges. Lösung langfristig funktioniert, da es immer wieder scheitert wenn sich Basis Themen in Software oder Hardware im Umfeld der Hersteller ändern.

          Es gehört zwingend zusammen:

          • MRA Navi Lösung
          • BT Tasten Lösung

          Beides sollte aus einem Haus / einer Entwicklung hier dann von MEA Team kommen.

          Egal welche Lösung verfolgt wird, aus meiner Sicht gehört so eine BT Tastatur passend für MRA Navigation App Anwendung mit einer langfristigen Lösung für alle User auch zum Produkt der MRA ges. Lösung.

          Bitte MRA Team, löst das Problem, damit alle was gutes Langfristig haben.

          VG 👋

          VG Hubert
          Info zum Beta Test "Next App" dazu die Hardware ...
          iPad 9. Generation iOS 18.5 / Handy iPhone Xr iOS 18.5 / PC mit MS Win11 / BMW Connected App mit Cradel.
          ❗️MyRoute-App im Cradel und Remotek-One❗️

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          • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

            @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

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            @Corjan-Meijerink said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

            @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

            Sorry Corjan, I could reproduce on a Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie) and on Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 (see Video).

            https://youtu.be/7crL4t3tJmE

            https://youtu.be/OdLeAfN4Xlw

            So I belive it is an issue.

            Hardware
            iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
            Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
            Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
            Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
            Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
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              #23

              It could be related, but could also not be related 😉
              What I notice about my BarButtons, is that it will not reconnect automatically a second time. After loosing connection (eg draw the power plug and re-plug it), it will not reconnect. I need to remove the connection from the phone and re-pair the unit. But the app does not get influenced by this, in my case.

              I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

              Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

              Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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              • Hubert Thoringundefined Hubert Thoring

                @Corjan-Meijerink : BT Tasten für die MyRoute App Anwendung für Android und iPhone.

                Meine Suche hat ergeben bzw. gezeigt das nur eine ges. Lösung langfristig funktioniert, da es immer wieder scheitert wenn sich Basis Themen in Software oder Hardware im Umfeld der Hersteller ändern.

                Es gehört zwingend zusammen:

                • MRA Navi Lösung
                • BT Tasten Lösung

                Beides sollte aus einem Haus / einer Entwicklung hier dann von MEA Team kommen.

                Egal welche Lösung verfolgt wird, aus meiner Sicht gehört so eine BT Tastatur passend für MRA Navigation App Anwendung mit einer langfristigen Lösung für alle User auch zum Produkt der MRA ges. Lösung.

                Bitte MRA Team, löst das Problem, damit alle was gutes Langfristig haben.

                VG 👋

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                @Hubert-Thoring said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                Es gehört zwingend zusammen:

                MRA Navi Lösung
                BT Tasten Lösung

                Why not add a dedicated hardware unit to the list...

                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                  @Corjan-Meijerink said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                  @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

                  Sorry Corjan, I could reproduce on a Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie) and on Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 (see Video).

                  https://youtu.be/7crL4t3tJmE

                  https://youtu.be/OdLeAfN4Xlw

                  So I belive it is an issue.

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                  @Jörgen I don't have this specific BT device myself.
                  If you would try the same with another BT controller (or just a wireless BT keyboard), doe this then also reproduce the issue?

                  Just to illustratie, I've testen with SilverFox, BarButtons & Carpe Iter which all worked fine on connecting / disconnecting.

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                  • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                    @Jörgen I don't have this specific BT device myself.
                    If you would try the same with another BT controller (or just a wireless BT keyboard), doe this then also reproduce the issue?

                    Just to illustratie, I've testen with SilverFox, BarButtons & Carpe Iter which all worked fine on connecting / disconnecting.

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                    Instructor
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                    #26

                    @Corjan-Meijerink you are right it could be related to this BT controller. May be the update will change something.
                    Anyway, I have asked the developer if it possible that the controller sents something during connect/disconnect that could cause this.

                    Hardware
                    iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                    Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                    Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                    Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                    Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                    For more information, click here

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                      #27

                      Top view.jpg Top view 2.jpg Side view.jpg End view.jpg Bottom view.jpg

                      This is my version of the Motobuttons controller. The case is 3D printed and allows the joystick to remain waterproof without the sealing required in the original.

                      I have used two 3mm LED's as I had them and the buttons in my "box of bits".

                      The case is 84mm long, 24mm wide and 36mm tall. I could have made it about 100mm long and about 20mm tall but this size fits better on my R1250GS.

                      The software works exactly as described.

                      Thank you joncox123 for a fabulous project.

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                      • Robert Jeffriesundefined Robert Jeffries

                        Top view.jpg Top view 2.jpg Side view.jpg End view.jpg Bottom view.jpg

                        This is my version of the Motobuttons controller. The case is 3D printed and allows the joystick to remain waterproof without the sealing required in the original.

                        I have used two 3mm LED's as I had them and the buttons in my "box of bits".

                        The case is 84mm long, 24mm wide and 36mm tall. I could have made it about 100mm long and about 20mm tall but this size fits better on my R1250GS.

                        The software works exactly as described.

                        Thank you joncox123 for a fabulous project.

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                        #28

                        @Robert-Jeffries Hi, Robert interesting version you made. Do you have a picture how and where you mount it to the bike?

                        I ask Jon to implement „skip way point“ to make it more compatible to MRA. Have you seen the latest version of the code.

                        I have little problem when the controller lost power while navigating, MRA then hangs and need restart. Have you seen this as well?

                        Hardware
                        iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                        Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                        Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                        Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                        Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                        For more information, click here

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                        • Robert Jeffriesundefined Robert Jeffries

                          Top view.jpg Top view 2.jpg Side view.jpg End view.jpg Bottom view.jpg

                          This is my version of the Motobuttons controller. The case is 3D printed and allows the joystick to remain waterproof without the sealing required in the original.

                          I have used two 3mm LED's as I had them and the buttons in my "box of bits".

                          The case is 84mm long, 24mm wide and 36mm tall. I could have made it about 100mm long and about 20mm tall but this size fits better on my R1250GS.

                          The software works exactly as described.

                          Thank you joncox123 for a fabulous project.

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                          @Robert-Jeffries, very interesting! Did you use the same joystick? Did you press the rubber against the inside of the case?

                          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                          • Con Hennekensundefined Con Hennekens

                            @Robert-Jeffries, very interesting! Did you use the same joystick? Did you press the rubber against the inside of the case?

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                            @Con-Hennekens I have problems with this joystick. Up, down, left, right is ok but Center switch is difficult to use.

                            Hardware
                            iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                            Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                            Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                            Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                            Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                            For more information, click here

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                            • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                              @Con-Hennekens I have problems with this joystick. Up, down, left, right is ok but Center switch is difficult to use.

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                              @Jörgen said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                              @Con-Hennekens I have problems with this joystick. Up, down, left, right is ok but Center switch is difficult to use.

                              As in difficult to press, or difficult not to accidentally rock sideways when pressing?

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                                @Jörgen said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                                @Con-Hennekens I have problems with this joystick. Up, down, left, right is ok but Center switch is difficult to use.

                                As in difficult to press, or difficult not to accidentally rock sideways when pressing?

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                                @richtea999 Yes moving in any direction instead hitting Center is nearly always happen.
                                I would give Center a new button if I had more space in the small case.

                                Hardware
                                iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                                Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                                Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                                Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                                Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                                For more information, click here

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                                • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                                  @richtea999 Yes moving in any direction instead hitting Center is nearly always happen.
                                  I would give Center a new button if I had more space in the small case.

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                                  @Jörgen Thanks Jörgen, very useful info, if/when I get around to making one.

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                                    I also love the moto button.
                                    I tried making something like this.

                                    I sent a request to Github, but the long press of the center button works as a virtual button.

                                    I would like to set it so that the A and B buttons are also long pressed.
                                    But I don't know how.
                                    Does anyone know?

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                                    • harupipapaZZZundefined harupipapaZZZ

                                      I also love the moto button.
                                      I tried making something like this.

                                      I sent a request to Github, but the long press of the center button works as a virtual button.

                                      I would like to set it so that the A and B buttons are also long pressed.
                                      But I don't know how.
                                      Does anyone know?

                                      7EF20038-17B7-44E1-9D0E-7F17D22695D4_1_105_c.jpeg 95735343-C683-48FA-B500-C617A1C2DB4B_1_105_c.jpeg A286EED6-15EE-4DD2-AE1B-166A0AB6798E_1_105_c.jpeg

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                                      @harupipapaZZZ Hi, you need to add something to the existing code, you need programming skills (I think it's written in C).
                                      A friend did this for me and put the function "skip waypoint" on the A key when you press and hold it.
                                      This works in principle, but the long press triggers a zoom in. So it's not perfect yet.

                                      Jon the developer has now released a new version, but the function is built in incorrectly.
                                      He's reacting a bit slowly at the moment, he's probably very busy.
                                      My friend is currently looking at how Jon has programmed the function and is comparing it with his version. Maybe we can find a solution in the meantime.
                                      There is alittle change in the zoom +/- function needed, that zoom react only on one key hit (means one click zooms one step) with this a long press will not zoom in/out a lot when a long press function is added.

                                      Hardware
                                      iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                                      Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                                      Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                                      Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                                      Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                                      For more information, click here

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                                      • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                                        @harupipapaZZZ Hi, you need to add something to the existing code, you need programming skills (I think it's written in C).
                                        A friend did this for me and put the function "skip waypoint" on the A key when you press and hold it.
                                        This works in principle, but the long press triggers a zoom in. So it's not perfect yet.

                                        Jon the developer has now released a new version, but the function is built in incorrectly.
                                        He's reacting a bit slowly at the moment, he's probably very busy.
                                        My friend is currently looking at how Jon has programmed the function and is comparing it with his version. Maybe we can find a solution in the meantime.
                                        There is alittle change in the zoom +/- function needed, that zoom react only on one key hit (means one click zooms one step) with this a long press will not zoom in/out a lot when a long press function is added.

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                                        @Jörgen
                                        Is it possible to send your code?
                                        I'll try and compare.

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                                        • harupipapaZZZundefined harupipapaZZZ

                                          @Jörgen
                                          Is it possible to send your code?
                                          I'll try and compare.

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                                          @harupipapaZZZ send me a PN with your mail address. I can do it later.

                                          Hardware
                                          iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                                          Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                                          Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                                          Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                                          Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                                          For more information, click here

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