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  • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

    @Corjan-Meijerink I build the MotoButtons and they work fine so far. The author made some changes already to improve the function.
    But they are not perfect, or may be I did something wrong.
    The MotoButtons are in BarButton mode as well as MRA. Moving map, zoom in out are ok, long press on the joystick Center open menu or Center map. If I am in the menu, I can move up down, but how to get out of the menu? What command is needed, or how does the BarButton do this? With another button? And how is the skip waypoint working, also with another button?
    May be a BarButton owner can help.

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    wrote on last edited by richtea999
    #13

    @Jörgen The BarButtons codes are here:
    https://jaxeadv.com/barbuttons/using-the-barbuttons/barbuttons-user-guide-v4/

    The default keymap for MRA is Keymap 1:

    And here's the specific info on what Keymap 1 does in MRA:
    https://jaxeadv.com/barbuttons/compatible-applications/#htoc-m

    So, combining those two together, to leave the menu you need to generate an 'N' = close drawer. Which on BarButtons is button 3.

    Let us know how you get on!

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      wrote on last edited by
      #14

      Here a video that explains the problem:

      https://youtu.be/UYnIyIdnH_o?si=aScruJCCABUo3m7Q

      Hardware
      iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
      Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
      Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
      Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
      Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
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      • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

        Here a video that explains the problem:

        https://youtu.be/UYnIyIdnH_o?si=aScruJCCABUo3m7Q

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        @Jörgen I think the problem is due to keyboard layout locale in Android and iOS. I changed the "keyboard layout" from US English to German in Android 10, and I reproduced the problem you said you had on iPhone (minus key becomes "/" key).

        Your problem is different on Android, however, I am almost certain it is still a keyboard layout problem. You have to also set the "keyboard layout" for the MotoButtons to US English. This will only effect the MotoButtons controller, not the rest of your system.

        https://www.mobilefun.co.uk/blog/2015/04/how-to-fix-bluetooth-keyboard-language-settings/

        https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/add-or-change-keyboards-iph73b71eb/ios

        In hindsight, I think MRA should use keys that do not change with different keyboard layouts. In other words, using n, c, +, - is probably a bad idea. However, on a US full sized keyboard, there are two minus keys. Maybe if I send the other one, it will work correctly on US and German layouts. I wasn't sure originally which one to send.

        Lastly, in KeyEventDisplay, I noticed that holding down the center button does not release the key until the button is released. This is the proper behavior in DMD2, but it triggers the internal key repeat in Android. Again, the latest firmware is working correctly for me on iPhone and Android with US layout, but maybe this is also causing an issue on your Android tablet. I could try disabling the repeat for center button long press.

        By the way, I am not studying the BarButtons code because I don't think he has released it as open source. So I am not looking at it to avoid any potential copyright questions.

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          Jörgen
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          wrote on last edited by Jörgen
          #16

          HI, I changed the keyboard layout as you said, but get still the black screen like in the video.
          But I noticed something, when I do a long press (1-2sec.) on the center button, the first white LED is flashing. If I release the pressure then, the menu opens normal, if I press longer then LED flashing I get the black screen.

          Hardware
          iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
          Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
          Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
          Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
          Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
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            Jörgen
            Instructor
            wrote on last edited by Jörgen
            #17

            Hi, I think we got a little further and were able to pinpoint the problem a little more precisely. It has nothing to do with the keyboard layout.
            The MotoButtons send key signals to MRA (n, c, +, -, left, right, up, down).
            During testing, I had Google open and cold see what keys were sent to my tablet. You could see +, -, for the zoom buttons, you could see c for the center button, and you could see n for long press center and on longer press nnnnnnnnnn.
            But as shown in the video, if you press n too long in MRA, MRA crashes.
            The first Idea was that is an issue of the MotoButtons, then I had the idea to use a Bluetooth keyboard in MRA (in BarButton Mode).
            Everything worked as expected, except when I press n longer, MRA crashes.
            So I can get the same problem, like in the above video with a BT keyboard.

            @Corjan-Meijerink can you take a look into this?

            Hardware
            iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
            Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
            Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
            Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
            Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
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            • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

              Hi, I think we got a little further and were able to pinpoint the problem a little more precisely. It has nothing to do with the keyboard layout.
              The MotoButtons send key signals to MRA (n, c, +, -, left, right, up, down).
              During testing, I had Google open and cold see what keys were sent to my tablet. You could see +, -, for the zoom buttons, you could see c for the center button, and you could see n for long press center and on longer press nnnnnnnnnn.
              But as shown in the video, if you press n too long in MRA, MRA crashes.
              The first Idea was that is an issue of the MotoButtons, then I had the idea to use a Bluetooth keyboard in MRA (in BarButton Mode).
              Everything worked as expected, except when I press n longer, MRA crashes.
              So I can get the same problem, like in the above video with a BT keyboard.

              @Corjan-Meijerink can you take a look into this?

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              wrote on last edited by
              #18

              @Jörgen I've replied to the email thread.
              The issue regarding long pressing that character has been fixed for the next (beta) update.

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              • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                @Jörgen I've replied to the email thread.
                The issue regarding long pressing that character has been fixed for the next (beta) update.

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                Instructor
                wrote on last edited by
                #19

                @Corjan-Meijerink Ok, thank you, saw the mail.

                So you think that this and the other issue with BT connection have the same cause?
                I will report after next update. 👍

                Hardware
                iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
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                • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                  @Corjan-Meijerink Ok, thank you, saw the mail.

                  So you think that this and the other issue with BT connection have the same cause?
                  I will report after next update. 👍

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                  Corjan Meijerink
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                  wrote on last edited by
                  #20

                  @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

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                  • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                    @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

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                    #21

                    @Corjan-Meijerink : BT Tasten für die MyRoute App Anwendung für Android und iPhone.

                    Meine Suche hat ergeben bzw. gezeigt das nur eine ges. Lösung langfristig funktioniert, da es immer wieder scheitert wenn sich Basis Themen in Software oder Hardware im Umfeld der Hersteller ändern.

                    Es gehört zwingend zusammen:

                    • MRA Navi Lösung
                    • BT Tasten Lösung

                    Beides sollte aus einem Haus / einer Entwicklung hier dann von MEA Team kommen.

                    Egal welche Lösung verfolgt wird, aus meiner Sicht gehört so eine BT Tastatur passend für MRA Navigation App Anwendung mit einer langfristigen Lösung für alle User auch zum Produkt der MRA ges. Lösung.

                    Bitte MRA Team, löst das Problem, damit alle was gutes Langfristig haben.

                    VG 👋

                    VG Hubert
                    Info zum Beta Test "Next App" dazu die Hardware ...
                    iPad 9. Generation iOS 18.5 / Handy iPhone Xr iOS 18.5 / PC mit MS Win11 / BMW Connected App mit Cradel.
                    ❗️MyRoute-App im Cradel und Remotek-One❗️

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                    • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                      @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

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                      Instructor
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #22

                      @Corjan-Meijerink said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                      @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

                      Sorry Corjan, I could reproduce on a Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie) and on Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 (see Video).

                      https://youtu.be/7crL4t3tJmE

                      https://youtu.be/OdLeAfN4Xlw

                      So I belive it is an issue.

                      Hardware
                      iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                      Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                      Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                      Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
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                        #23

                        It could be related, but could also not be related 😉
                        What I notice about my BarButtons, is that it will not reconnect automatically a second time. After loosing connection (eg draw the power plug and re-plug it), it will not reconnect. I need to remove the connection from the phone and re-pair the unit. But the app does not get influenced by this, in my case.

                        I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                        Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                        • Hubert Thoringundefined Hubert Thoring

                          @Corjan-Meijerink : BT Tasten für die MyRoute App Anwendung für Android und iPhone.

                          Meine Suche hat ergeben bzw. gezeigt das nur eine ges. Lösung langfristig funktioniert, da es immer wieder scheitert wenn sich Basis Themen in Software oder Hardware im Umfeld der Hersteller ändern.

                          Es gehört zwingend zusammen:

                          • MRA Navi Lösung
                          • BT Tasten Lösung

                          Beides sollte aus einem Haus / einer Entwicklung hier dann von MEA Team kommen.

                          Egal welche Lösung verfolgt wird, aus meiner Sicht gehört so eine BT Tastatur passend für MRA Navigation App Anwendung mit einer langfristigen Lösung für alle User auch zum Produkt der MRA ges. Lösung.

                          Bitte MRA Team, löst das Problem, damit alle was gutes Langfristig haben.

                          VG 👋

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                          #24

                          @Hubert-Thoring said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                          Es gehört zwingend zusammen:

                          MRA Navi Lösung
                          BT Tasten Lösung

                          Why not add a dedicated hardware unit to the list...

                          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                          • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                            @Corjan-Meijerink said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                            @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

                            Sorry Corjan, I could reproduce on a Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie) and on Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 (see Video).

                            https://youtu.be/7crL4t3tJmE

                            https://youtu.be/OdLeAfN4Xlw

                            So I belive it is an issue.

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                            Corjan Meijerink
                            administrator
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #25

                            @Jörgen I don't have this specific BT device myself.
                            If you would try the same with another BT controller (or just a wireless BT keyboard), doe this then also reproduce the issue?

                            Just to illustratie, I've testen with SilverFox, BarButtons & Carpe Iter which all worked fine on connecting / disconnecting.

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                            • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                              @Jörgen I don't have this specific BT device myself.
                              If you would try the same with another BT controller (or just a wireless BT keyboard), doe this then also reproduce the issue?

                              Just to illustratie, I've testen with SilverFox, BarButtons & Carpe Iter which all worked fine on connecting / disconnecting.

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                              Instructor
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #26

                              @Corjan-Meijerink you are right it could be related to this BT controller. May be the update will change something.
                              Anyway, I have asked the developer if it possible that the controller sents something during connect/disconnect that could cause this.

                              Hardware
                              iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                              Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                              Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                              Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                              Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
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                                Top view.jpg Top view 2.jpg Side view.jpg End view.jpg Bottom view.jpg

                                This is my version of the Motobuttons controller. The case is 3D printed and allows the joystick to remain waterproof without the sealing required in the original.

                                I have used two 3mm LED's as I had them and the buttons in my "box of bits".

                                The case is 84mm long, 24mm wide and 36mm tall. I could have made it about 100mm long and about 20mm tall but this size fits better on my R1250GS.

                                The software works exactly as described.

                                Thank you joncox123 for a fabulous project.

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                                • Robert Jeffriesundefined Robert Jeffries

                                  Top view.jpg Top view 2.jpg Side view.jpg End view.jpg Bottom view.jpg

                                  This is my version of the Motobuttons controller. The case is 3D printed and allows the joystick to remain waterproof without the sealing required in the original.

                                  I have used two 3mm LED's as I had them and the buttons in my "box of bits".

                                  The case is 84mm long, 24mm wide and 36mm tall. I could have made it about 100mm long and about 20mm tall but this size fits better on my R1250GS.

                                  The software works exactly as described.

                                  Thank you joncox123 for a fabulous project.

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                                  Instructor
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #28

                                  @Robert-Jeffries Hi, Robert interesting version you made. Do you have a picture how and where you mount it to the bike?

                                  I ask Jon to implement „skip way point“ to make it more compatible to MRA. Have you seen the latest version of the code.

                                  I have little problem when the controller lost power while navigating, MRA then hangs and need restart. Have you seen this as well?

                                  Hardware
                                  iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                                  Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                                  Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                                  Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                                  Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                                  For more information, click here

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                                  • Robert Jeffriesundefined Robert Jeffries

                                    Top view.jpg Top view 2.jpg Side view.jpg End view.jpg Bottom view.jpg

                                    This is my version of the Motobuttons controller. The case is 3D printed and allows the joystick to remain waterproof without the sealing required in the original.

                                    I have used two 3mm LED's as I had them and the buttons in my "box of bits".

                                    The case is 84mm long, 24mm wide and 36mm tall. I could have made it about 100mm long and about 20mm tall but this size fits better on my R1250GS.

                                    The software works exactly as described.

                                    Thank you joncox123 for a fabulous project.

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                                    @Robert-Jeffries, very interesting! Did you use the same joystick? Did you press the rubber against the inside of the case?

                                    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                      @Robert-Jeffries, very interesting! Did you use the same joystick? Did you press the rubber against the inside of the case?

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                                      Instructor
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                                      @Con-Hennekens I have problems with this joystick. Up, down, left, right is ok but Center switch is difficult to use.

                                      Hardware
                                      iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                                      Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                                      Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                                      Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                                      Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                                      For more information, click here

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                                      • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                                        @Con-Hennekens I have problems with this joystick. Up, down, left, right is ok but Center switch is difficult to use.

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                                        @Jörgen said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                                        @Con-Hennekens I have problems with this joystick. Up, down, left, right is ok but Center switch is difficult to use.

                                        As in difficult to press, or difficult not to accidentally rock sideways when pressing?

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                                          @Jörgen said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                                          @Con-Hennekens I have problems with this joystick. Up, down, left, right is ok but Center switch is difficult to use.

                                          As in difficult to press, or difficult not to accidentally rock sideways when pressing?

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #32

                                          @richtea999 Yes moving in any direction instead hitting Center is nearly always happen.
                                          I would give Center a new button if I had more space in the small case.

                                          Hardware
                                          iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                                          Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                                          Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                                          Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                                          Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                                          For more information, click here

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