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  • Laurence 2 Laurence 2

    @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
    I remade the route and still same issue - won't expand for me.
    This is the link:

    https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7387652?mode=share

    I started making this route by importing waypoints from a Mapsource GPX file. These appear in the MRA map as POI's. Then, I enable these POI's in Library. When linking them to make the route, I tick the box to make them into waypoints.

    Not sure if my procedure is correct. Anyway, this is where I suspect the problem with not expanding stems from - importing waypoints....

    Rob Verhoeff Offline
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    Rob Verhoeff
    Alpha tester
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    @Laurence-2 and @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master I'm sure the original route isn't well put together. Shaping points are not all placed in the middle of the road. In addition, there are also parts of the route that you drive there and back. The program cannot handle that. I put extra shaping point in crucial places myself and then expanded it to 60 points. That works perfectly. I think it's user error.

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    • Laurence 2 Laurence 2

      @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
      I remade the route and still same issue - won't expand for me.
      This is the link:

      https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7387652?mode=share

      I started making this route by importing waypoints from a Mapsource GPX file. These appear in the MRA map as POI's. Then, I enable these POI's in Library. When linking them to make the route, I tick the box to make them into waypoints.

      Not sure if my procedure is correct. Anyway, this is where I suspect the problem with not expanding stems from - importing waypoints....

      Hans van de Ven MR.MRA Offline
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      Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
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      wrote on last edited by
      #11

      @Laurence-2
      When importing gpx files from other planners, always select the route-track option to import.
      When i look at your route, as @Rob-Verhoeff said, it isn't well put together
      407df2bb-05d2-46c2-ba9c-f837ded39b25-image.png

      Make sure that the routepoints are placed correct on the routeline

      Garmin Zumo XT3/XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/Tourstart/ MyRouteapp (The App)/...
      Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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      • Hans van de Ven MR.MRA Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

        @Laurence-2
        When importing gpx files from other planners, always select the route-track option to import.
        When i look at your route, as @Rob-Verhoeff said, it isn't well put together
        407df2bb-05d2-46c2-ba9c-f837ded39b25-image.png

        Make sure that the routepoints are placed correct on the routeline

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        Laurence 2
        wrote on last edited by
        #12

        @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
        I appreciate the advice.
        The POI's are not all on roads, as they are photo points for a photo rally.
        I am not clear why MRA cannot manage this situation, but have to accept it.
        I moved from Zumo 660 + Mapsource to Zumo XT + MRA - let's say the jury is still out.

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        • Laurence 2 Laurence 2

          @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
          I appreciate the advice.
          The POI's are not all on roads, as they are photo points for a photo rally.
          I am not clear why MRA cannot manage this situation, but have to accept it.
          I moved from Zumo 660 + Mapsource to Zumo XT + MRA - let's say the jury is still out.

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          Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
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          wrote on last edited by Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
          #13

          @Laurence-2
          MRA can handle it, but when a notmal routepoint is placed that way, we think it is off track.
          If point 3 is a photo stop, make a viapoint of it. Then you will be forced to visit that point. And you will see the flag in your XT.

          Garmin Zumo XT3/XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/Tourstart/ MyRouteapp (The App)/...
          Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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          • Hans van de Ven MR.MRA Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

            @Laurence-2
            MRA can handle it, but when a notmal routepoint is placed that way, we think it is off track.
            If point 3 is a photo stop, make a viapoint of it. Then you will be forced to visit that point. And you will see the flag in your XT.

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            Laurence 2
            wrote on last edited by
            #14

            @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
            That is good advice thanks.
            I have to learn to use such POI's as a guide while creating actual waypoints nearby for the route purpose.

            The XT presents it's own challenges.... I miss the "please drive to highlighted route" instruction which the 550 / 660 provided when you want to join a route from which you have detoured. I still do not have a consistent solution to use for this on the road. Any advice would be appreciated.

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            • Laurence 2 Laurence 2

              @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
              That is good advice thanks.
              I have to learn to use such POI's as a guide while creating actual waypoints nearby for the route purpose.

              The XT presents it's own challenges.... I miss the "please drive to highlighted route" instruction which the 550 / 660 provided when you want to join a route from which you have detoured. I still do not have a consistent solution to use for this on the road. Any advice would be appreciated.

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              Laurence 2
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              #15

              @Laurence-2
              Hello again,
              I have another route of 17 waypoints, made on MRA only, without anything imported.
              I cannot get the Expand function to work, I tried adding different numbers of waypoints (50, 100)
              Can anyone advise what is the issue preventing addition of waypoints in this way, please?

              Route link: https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7392943?mode=share

              Thanks,
              LB

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              • Laurence 2 Laurence 2

                @Laurence-2
                Hello again,
                I have another route of 17 waypoints, made on MRA only, without anything imported.
                I cannot get the Expand function to work, I tried adding different numbers of waypoints (50, 100)
                Can anyone advise what is the issue preventing addition of waypoints in this way, please?

                Route link: https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7392943?mode=share

                Thanks,
                LB

                Rob Verhoeff Offline
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                Rob Verhoeff
                Alpha tester
                wrote on last edited by Rob Verhoeff
                #16

                @Laurence-2 It's working for me! There are some point that have a critical position in your route such as 13 and 3. After moving point 13 and 3 I succedes in expending the route. Sometimes you see a little gap between two points. Move that point and than it will work. You have to carefully place the points. Not on a intersection, but a little further away.

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                • Laurence 2 Laurence 2

                  @Laurence-2
                  Hello again,
                  I have another route of 17 waypoints, made on MRA only, without anything imported.
                  I cannot get the Expand function to work, I tried adding different numbers of waypoints (50, 100)
                  Can anyone advise what is the issue preventing addition of waypoints in this way, please?

                  Route link: https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7392943?mode=share

                  Thanks,
                  LB

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                  Lynchy67
                  Valued contributor
                  wrote on last edited by Lynchy67
                  #17

                  @Laurence-2

                  Using your Route directly I could not Expand it!
                  I have no clue why?
                  Maybe one of the Dev's can look at that?
                  So I saved it as a GPX1.1 (Track, POI) then re-imported it as a Route-Track.

                  Expand 1.jpg

                  Then when I "Edit route-track" it works.
                  Expand 2.jpg

                  You don’t stop riding when you get old, you get old when you stop riding.

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                  • Rob Verhoeff Rob Verhoeff

                    @Laurence-2 It's working for me! There are some point that have a critical position in your route such as 13 and 3. After moving point 13 and 3 I succedes in expending the route. Sometimes you see a little gap between two points. Move that point and than it will work. You have to carefully place the points. Not on a intersection, but a little further away.

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                    Laurence 2
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #18

                    @Rob-Verhoeff
                    Rob,
                    I did as you said:
                    Revised the waypoint locations to be away from junction, a little beyond the intersection and exactly on the route. I then was able to expand the route to 50 waypoints. This will be more secure for transfer to the XT and if I go to share the route.
                    So, now I know!
                    Thanks,
                    Laurence

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                    • Lynchy67 Lynchy67

                      @Laurence-2

                      Using your Route directly I could not Expand it!
                      I have no clue why?
                      Maybe one of the Dev's can look at that?
                      So I saved it as a GPX1.1 (Track, POI) then re-imported it as a Route-Track.

                      Expand 1.jpg

                      Then when I "Edit route-track" it works.
                      Expand 2.jpg

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                      Laurence 2
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #19

                      @Lynchy67
                      Hi Lynchy,
                      Thanks for that work-around, good to know!
                      Laurence

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                        #20

                        I'm having the same problem, I've used Espand many times with no hitch but now I am having the same issue
                        https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7413027?mode=share

                        If it's relevanty this route was originally part of a single longer route and I split it. I suceesfully expanded the first half

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                        • simonharvestmill.co.uk simonharvestmill.co.uk

                          I'm having the same problem, I've used Espand many times with no hitch but now I am having the same issue
                          https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/7413027?mode=share

                          If it's relevanty this route was originally part of a single longer route and I split it. I suceesfully expanded the first half

                          Rob Verhoeff Offline
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                          Rob Verhoeff
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                          @Simon-Wood I think your route looks a bit like a mess. What is the meaning of waypoint 4 between 12 and 13?

                          Scherm­afbeelding 2023-05-09 om 19.28.36.png

                          The other points ensure that a loop is constantly made. I understand that the expand function can't handle that.

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