App behaviour when in offline mode at a construction site

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@AWDC-LAO Thanks for pointing that out but that’s not the issue....

It annoys me when the Here map shows a roadworks site... even though it’s actually already finished, and the app keeps nagging me to turn around.

[BMcG]

@Peter-Zehentreiter sorry my previous post was maybe not 100% clear,
when I navigate "offline" I truly mean "offline" as in airplane mode,
yes MRA is in "offline" mode but also my phone has no input connections except for GPS & bluetooth to my headset,
hence the only disturbance I can get to the path of my route is a bad GPS position or if I deviate from the path

re: "For the ‘Route as Track’ feature, the settings explicitly state that it works best online."
This may be due to this track display issue https://forum.myrouteapp.com/post/66551

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Brian-McG No problem, I’ve already understood what you meant about offline use.

I get on really well with MRA and am really happy with it; it’s just the occasionally outdated road closures in the Here map that are a bit of a nuisance (though that’s not MRA’s fault).

In any case, I’m testing the ‘Route as Track’ feature both online and offline… and forming my own opinion.

Everyone has different needs, and the app definitely tries to cover everything as best it can.

The icing on the cake would be if MRA used Google maps, including their up-to-date information.....

‘We’re allowed to dream’

[Herman Veldhuizen]

@Peter-Zehentreiter Very valid question.

In the app it seems to depends on:

1. where you are in the app : In-app route editor, opening page of a route or during navigating.
2. The global setting 'Navigate route as tracks'.
3. a:The global setting 'Offline navigation'.
   b: The route level toggle 'Use offline/online maps'.

I have observed the following issues/behaviours but it is unclear to me wether these are caused by map issues, app issues or wether they are supposed to be like that.

A) 3a and 3b seem to be related: changing one also changes the other. The fact that the app changes the global setting is a bit confusing. I suggest to make the route level toggle a temporary one.

B) The in-app route editor assumes that you navigate a route as route. It doesn't use 2). So when you navigate a route as track you don't get the same route as in the editor.

C) Closures are sometimes ignored in offline mode (even if they are available in the offline map). Is it an error in the map or in the app? Don't know.

D) Closures are always ignored in the opening page of a route. So what you see in the opening page might not correspond to what you see in the route editor or while navigating.

E) Closures CAN be ignored when navigating a route as track. It has surprised me that the way you navigate a route controls how closures are handled. It also depends on Where you press Navigate : from the opening page of a route or from the in-app route editor. That there is a difference here must be a bug.

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Herman-Veldhuizen said in App behaviour when in offline mode at a construction site:

a:The global setting 'Offline navigation'.

In my view, the “offline” global setting means that there is absolutely no internet connection, that there is no SIM card in the device, and that in the morning at the hotel, neither Wi-Fi nor a hotspot is used for updates.

b: The route level toggle 'Use offline/online maps'.

I haven’t been able to figure out exactly what’s going on yet, but it seems odd to me that when I tap the ‘offline navigation’ option in orange, it switches back to ‘online navigation’ in the main settings.

@Herman-Veldhuizen said in App behaviour when in offline mode at a construction site:

The in-app route editor assumes that you navigate a route as route. It doesn't use 2). So when you navigate a route as track you don't get the same route as in the editor.

I can’t currently confirm this for myself: when I place two devices side by side (both are online), with one device is set to ‘Route as Track’ and the other device is set to ‘Route as Route’, I see the same route when I open it (even before I press ‘Navigate).

@Herman-Veldhuizen said in App behaviour when in offline mode at a construction site:

Closures are always ignored in the opening page of a route. So what you see in the opening page might not correspond to what you see in the route editor or while navigating.

‘That seems logical to me, though, as only the planned route is displayed when you open the app, and it’s only when you start navigation that the road closures (according to Here) are taken into account, and the route is then naturally adjusted to avoid them.’ ‘That’s exactly how it should be.’

What strikes me about offline navigation, however, is that when I call up the route (with the settings set to ‘Route as Route’) and press Start, I can’t see any change to the route; it navigates as if I were using ‘Route as Track’.

That’s why I’d like to better understand the difference between an ‘offline’ route (set to ‘Route as Route’) and an ‘online’ route (set to ‘Route as Track’).

What is also noticeable when calling up ‘Route as Track’ online is that the route is navigated as planned, but warning messages appear on the map indicating that the route might be closed, for example.

With offline navigation using ‘Route as Route’, these warnings do not appear.

Perhaps someone is able to define the difference precisely.

[M. Schrijver]

In your last few lines you write exact the difference between offline and online.
When riding offline there is no possibilty to adjust the route by i.e traffic problems, etc. The route stays as it was at the start.
When online, the route can be more flexible because there is online info which can cause adjustments or warnings for problems along the way.

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@M.-Schrijver OK, thanks for pointing that out; I’ve been thinking along similar lines...

But I’ll definitely try both to see what happens when I leave the route.

[M. Schrijver]

With route as route you will see no difference. MRA should handle this offline just as good as online.
With route as track there can be difference but i don't know this feature good enough. I use it almost never.

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@M.-Schrijver said in App behaviour when in offline mode at a construction site:

I use it almost never.

Me neither... that's why I'm asking

[BMcG]

@Peter-Zehentreiter you have probably already seen this MRA tutorial video "Route Navigation Versus Track Navigation" but just in case you missed it

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Brian-McG Yes, I’m familiar with this video, and I also understand how it works – it’s simply brilliant.

The reason I’m considering using this option more often is, that due to some outdated traffic updates from Here, I’m sometimes receiving information I don’t actually want.

Thanks for the tips from the community

I’ll just give it a go.

A Bavarian would say:

"Schau ma moi, dann segn mas scha"

[MotoCon]

@Peter-Zehentreiter said in App behaviour when in offline mode at a construction site:

due to some outdated traffic updates from Here, I’m sometimes receiving information I don’t actually want.

You can also simply disable all traffic options in your settings - functional tab if you don't want that info.

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Con-Hennekens said in App behaviour when in offline mode at a construction site:

You can also simply disable all traffic options in your settings - functional tab if you don't want that info.

Hi Con, I’m not sure if this setting will solve my problem?

A week ago on Sunday, I wanted to drive this route, but the problem started at the spot I’ve marked in red: the app refused to let me continue, or rather, kept telling me to turn back because the route was supposedly closed.

Ultimately, according to the app’s instructions, I was supposed to drive via Cortina d’Ampezzo, even though the roadworks had already finished.

I’ve just disabled all traffic settings in the app and started the route; the closure still appears on the map, and I don’t think the app will ignore the closure at that point because of that.

It may well be that I no longer receive any information, but the route through the roadworks will still be blocked.

I am therefore looking for a practical solution to this problem.

https://www.myrouteapp.com/de/social/route/13124967?mode=share

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[MotoCon]

@Peter-Zehentreiter, Ah yes... We were discussing a similar thing yesterday amongst Alpha Testers. My theory is that some longer roadblocks are being registered in the map itself instead of through traffic info. A bit like seasonal closures, but I cannot get confirmation. Is the closure not relevant anymore? Try to update your maps and see what happens. Please report back, thanks!

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Con-Hennekens said in App behaviour when in offline mode at a construction site:

Try to update your maps and see what happens

You mean the offline maps?

[MotoCon]

@Peter-Zehentreiter, yep

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Con-Hennekens I’ve updated the maps; I think it’s now version 2.18.

The glitch was practically gone by last week.

Attached are 4 screenshots…
1x Route with online traffic information enabled
1x Route with offline traffic information disabled
1x Track with online traffic information enabled
1x Track with offline traffic information disabled

[MotoCon]

@Peter-Zehentreiter, It is clear that the closure in your case is still there after updating. We have another example at hand where the closure indeed disappeared after a map upgrade. That seems to support my theory that closures sometimes are in the map data instead of the traffic info.

[BMcG]

Hi @Peter-Zehentreiter is the shared route "Marostica_Lienz" just an example to illustrate the issue or is this the route you plan to use?

This error maybe because for this route the avoidance "Highways" is enabled

the aviodance maybe limiting the options that the routing calculation can use when trying to recalculate around the construction

[Peter Zehentreiter]

@Brian-McG Both... it’s to show how road closures behave with the various settings on the map and in the navigation system.

I drove the route the week before last.

Enabled highways aren’t relevant here, because there aren’t any highways in this area.

The option was included because, shortly before the destination, a motorway might have been a viable alternative.