Feature questions before purchase
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@Fifield-Nick said in Feature questions before purchase:
Not convinced the features are provided as described- not looking for workarounds as I already have those in scenic .
I am also not convinced. Some people are suggesting the sections feature, but that is a planning feature, not a Navigation feature. If you want to navigate with the app, the HERE maps are not compatible with sections. So that's not going to work unless you compare the route To the HERE map and adapt it to follow the curvatures without using sections and curvy options. That is a really great feature, but will probably be seen as a workaround in this case.
@Con-Hennekens if you use segments and make a route then you can convert it to here map and use it in MRA Next or keep it as track and then also use it in MRA Next
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@Fifield-Nick said in Feature questions before purchase:
Not convinced the features are provided as described- not looking for workarounds as I already have those in scenic .
I am also not convinced. Some people are suggesting the sections feature, but that is a planning feature, not a Navigation feature. If you want to navigate with the app, the HERE maps are not compatible with sections. So that's not going to work unless you compare the route To the HERE map and adapt it to follow the curvatures without using sections and curvy options. That is a really great feature, but will probably be seen as a workaround in this case.
@Con-Hennekens said in Feature questions before purchase:
I am also not convinced. Some people are suggesting the sections feature, but that is a planning feature, not a Navigation feature.
Note Nick's language 'can I build...'. He wants to use the planner. And he's posted in the Web side of the forum, not the app side.
Here's an example from Burford to Cheddar Gorge and back:
- I built a wriggly scenic route out, and left ALL the auto-generated waypoints in, so there's no loss of 'wriggliness'.
- I built a second scenic route that was direct (I decreased the number of auto-generated waypoints because I know it's approximately direct, so I don't need so many of them)
- I merged them into a single route (see instructions above)
It took about as long to write this reply as it did to construct the route.
There-wriggly (generated by Scenic route generator):
https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/9648289?mode=shareBack-direct (generated by Scenic route generator):
https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/9648300?mode=shareThere and back (combined manually in a few clicks):
https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/9648307?mode=shareWhere's the problem?
Try it Con!
[Nick, you'll not be able to decrease the waypoint count without a Gold level membership.]
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@Con-Hennekens said in Feature questions before purchase:
I am also not convinced. Some people are suggesting the sections feature, but that is a planning feature, not a Navigation feature.
Note Nick's language 'can I build...'. He wants to use the planner. And he's posted in the Web side of the forum, not the app side.
Here's an example from Burford to Cheddar Gorge and back:
- I built a wriggly scenic route out, and left ALL the auto-generated waypoints in, so there's no loss of 'wriggliness'.
- I built a second scenic route that was direct (I decreased the number of auto-generated waypoints because I know it's approximately direct, so I don't need so many of them)
- I merged them into a single route (see instructions above)
It took about as long to write this reply as it did to construct the route.
There-wriggly (generated by Scenic route generator):
https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/9648289?mode=shareBack-direct (generated by Scenic route generator):
https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/9648300?mode=shareThere and back (combined manually in a few clicks):
https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/9648307?mode=shareWhere's the problem?
Try it Con!
[Nick, you'll not be able to decrease the waypoint count without a Gold level membership.]
Bloody marvelous, I'd not considered stitching sections together like that.
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@Con-Hennekens said in Feature questions before purchase:
I am also not convinced. Some people are suggesting the sections feature, but that is a planning feature, not a Navigation feature.
Note Nick's language 'can I build...'. He wants to use the planner. And he's posted in the Web side of the forum, not the app side.
Here's an example from Burford to Cheddar Gorge and back:
- I built a wriggly scenic route out, and left ALL the auto-generated waypoints in, so there's no loss of 'wriggliness'.
- I built a second scenic route that was direct (I decreased the number of auto-generated waypoints because I know it's approximately direct, so I don't need so many of them)
- I merged them into a single route (see instructions above)
It took about as long to write this reply as it did to construct the route.
There-wriggly (generated by Scenic route generator):
https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/9648289?mode=shareBack-direct (generated by Scenic route generator):
https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/9648300?mode=shareThere and back (combined manually in a few clicks):
https://www.myrouteapp.com/en/social/route/9648307?mode=shareWhere's the problem?
Try it Con!
[Nick, you'll not be able to decrease the waypoint count without a Gold level membership.]
@richtea999 thanks. That's feature B sorted,
Now all I need to see is feature B.BTW, unable to post via Chrome on macOS.
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@richtea999 thanks. That's feature B sorted,
Now all I need to see is feature B.BTW, unable to post via Chrome on macOS.
@Fifield-Nick B or B?
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I covered both A and B!B is dead easy, and very short compared to A - hence it may have got lost at the bottom of my first post.
If I've not answered it correctly, let me know and I'll have another go!In terms of not being able to post it's worth noting the forum gets upset if you open multiple tabs at the same time and then try posting but not from the most recently opened tab. Refreshing the tab that you're going to post on solves the problem.
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Yes, and yes!
> a) can you build a route consisting of several sections, where each section has a different amount of curvature
Do it in stages - which is what you have to do anyway since you're after different curvature for certain sections.
Step 1:
Create each sub-section of your route. Each one can have different curvature.Use the 'Create Scenic Routes' option at the top level of the web Route Lab (https://www.myrouteapp.com/routelab)
- select 'Create a scenic roundtour' and make it 'Create a scenic route'
- add your start and end points for this sub-section of the route
- pick your wiggle factor (see Lynchy's screenshots above)
- save the route
- repeat for all the different subsection that make up your full route
Step 2:
Stitch together the sub-routes into your full route.- create a new route
- in the lefthand menu (where it says 'Waypoints') tap the 3-bar menu & pick 'Routes'
- add your (sub-)route
- add another (sub-)route, etc
- for each route you've added, press '+' and decide where to add it ('Beginning' or 'End').
- then convert from route-track to route so you have waypoints you can edit if you want to fine-tune it ('Edit route-track' option -> 'use as route')
Limitations:
- you need to keep below 200 waypoints for the final route, so keep an eye on your sub-route waypoint count.
- you can't juggle the subroute order after merging them with 'Beginning'/'End', so you name your sub-routes carefully to help get the merge order correct
> b) alternative to route-trip generation.... the scenario..... i want to meet someone in a cafe 20 miles away in about 2hrs.
The 'Create Scenic Routes' option at the top level of the web Route Lab will take time as well as distance as the main driver for your scenic route
@richtea999 just spotted this . So I can ask the planner to take an extravagant route (say 2 hours of curves) between two points ( say 20mins direct) ?
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@Fifield-Nick Ah - you've found a small hole in the features there.
If you do a round trip (A->A) you can request a time of say 2 hours.
If you auto-create a route (A->B) you can't.
I reckon that's a feature worth asking for. Let's see what Corjan says. It may be very easy to implement. Or not. (If it is, don't expect it to appear next week, just understand that the MRA team do listen to requests, which is a rare treat in software development!)
Ref:
https://forum.myrouteapp.com/topic/7485/suggestion-add-duration-distance-options-to-scenic-a-b-route -
@Con-Hennekens if you use segments and make a route then you can convert it to here map and use it in MRA Next or keep it as track and then also use it in MRA Next
@Bouke-Ent, When you switch to the HERE map, you lose the segments. Of course you can always use a track indeed.
@richtea999 said in Feature questions before purchase:
Note Nick's language 'can I build...'. He wants to use the planner. And he's posted in the Web side of the forum, not the app side.
Yes but he is also
@Fifield-Nick said in Feature questions before purchase:
a happy Scenic app user
That's an indication that Nick is also looking for an alternative to the navigation app
And even if he is not, the warning stands as a valuable piece of added information.@richtea999 said in Feature questions before purchase:
Try it Con!
Haha, you don't need to teach me how to use the planner. I would do it differently anyway. I would be done after step1 and let Navigation just lead me to WP1 quickest way. No need for a route number 2!
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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@Bouke-Ent, When you switch to the HERE map, you lose the segments. Of course you can always use a track indeed.
@richtea999 said in Feature questions before purchase:
Note Nick's language 'can I build...'. He wants to use the planner. And he's posted in the Web side of the forum, not the app side.
Yes but he is also
@Fifield-Nick said in Feature questions before purchase:
a happy Scenic app user
That's an indication that Nick is also looking for an alternative to the navigation app
And even if he is not, the warning stands as a valuable piece of added information.@richtea999 said in Feature questions before purchase:
Try it Con!
Haha, you don't need to teach me how to use the planner. I would do it differently anyway. I would be done after step1 and let Navigation just lead me to WP1 quickest way. No need for a route number 2!
@Con-Hennekens said in Feature questions before purchase:
@Bouke-Ent, When you switch to the HERE map, you lose the segments.
yes but not route. if you switch to here it will copy it to new route and add waypoints to follow route of OSM (i think it uses a track for that segment to convert it to here route). only negative it can give that there is a max of 200 waypoint and that can be a problem to follow the contour of all the segments.
same you have when you import a track in MRA planner.
personaly i do not use this option.
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@Fifield-Nick Ah - you've found a small hole in the features there.
If you do a round trip (A->A) you can request a time of say 2 hours.
If you auto-create a route (A->B) you can't.
I reckon that's a feature worth asking for. Let's see what Corjan says. It may be very easy to implement. Or not. (If it is, don't expect it to appear next week, just understand that the MRA team do listen to requests, which is a rare treat in software development!)
Ref:
https://forum.myrouteapp.com/topic/7485/suggestion-add-duration-distance-options-to-scenic-a-b-route@richtea999 I work in software development
