BMW Connected Ride Navigator not importing waypoints
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wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 07:33 last edited by Topcat502 6 Jul 2024, 07:39
Hi all. Really appreciate the help from all, but what an absolute faff!! It looks like MRA and CRN doesn't play well together and hopefully MRA will rectify this in the future. Other GPX files we have downloaded from other bike sites have worked fine. We ride to planned routes so need the waypoints/shaping points, always have. Sadly, regretting buying MRA/CRN at present. Fingers crossed on future updates.
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Hi all. Really appreciate the help from all, but what an absolute faff!! It looks like MRA and CRN doesn't play well together and hopefully MRA will rectify this in the future. Other GPX files we have downloaded from other bike sites have worked fine. We ride to planned routes so need the waypoints/shaping points, always have. Sadly, regretting buying MRA/CRN at present. Fingers crossed on future updates.
So what doesn't work? Can you share some screenshots of what you see in the CRN of other gpx files and not of an MRA file.
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@Dikke-Wim
The CRN sees all points as injured points, if you change the name of the points, you will see the name in the CRN at a point, for example Coffee or lunch.
You will not receive a notification from the CRN, but you can see them. Or indeed remember the number where you want to stop.@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Ik probeer de namen van de punten in de Connect Ride App te veranderen nadat ik een route vanuit MRA heb geëxporteerd als GPX 1.1 file en heb omgezet naar route met waypoints.
Helaas kan ik dan geen namen van de routepunten aanpassen.Hooguit kan in in MRA de namen veranderen (bv. Lunch, koffie, etc.), maar die namen komen niet terug in de Connect Ride app op mijn iPhone. Ook niet op de CRN zelf.
Hoe kun jij de namen veranderen zodat ze uiteindelijk op de CRN zichtbaar worden?
Ik hoor graag van je Hans! -
So what doesn't work? Can you share some screenshots of what you see in the CRN of other gpx files and not of an MRA file.
wrote on 7 Jun 2024, 21:46 last edited by@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA !
I'm not saying it doesn't work, but it just seems very strange to need these workarounds when previously technology has worked fine.
The top route is a gpx file showing a route made in Basecamp. As you can see it has the waypoints already set up as per the gpx file created. This can be imported directly into the CRN.
This shows the same route created in MRA and exported as GPX 1.1
As you can see the CRA shows them as support points and as you have explained, the route has to be converted to waypoints in the app, you then have to export this to the CRN (because you don't have the option to convert in the CRN. )Other points to note are that, unlike our previous NAV5, there isn't the option to "fix" your route. Therefore, if you're like us and ride to planned routes (either from mags or ones we've created) we have to add more waypoints than previously added because it doesn't recognise shaping points and is more likely to take you off your route. We have to add them in after junctions so that it sticks to the route as much as possible, but then if needed we can skip them due to traffic/road closure etc. Therefore, the 50 max waypoints doesn't help and we have to break up our tours into smaller chunks. I understand this isn't an MRA issue and hopefully the CRN will provide further updates from everyone's feedback as it's still relatively new.
As I say it's not impossible, but for us, using Basecamp and the NAV5 was straight forward to plan, export and ride our routes compared to MRA/CRA/CRN set up.
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@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA !
I'm not saying it doesn't work, but it just seems very strange to need these workarounds when previously technology has worked fine.
The top route is a gpx file showing a route made in Basecamp. As you can see it has the waypoints already set up as per the gpx file created. This can be imported directly into the CRN.
This shows the same route created in MRA and exported as GPX 1.1
As you can see the CRA shows them as support points and as you have explained, the route has to be converted to waypoints in the app, you then have to export this to the CRN (because you don't have the option to convert in the CRN. )Other points to note are that, unlike our previous NAV5, there isn't the option to "fix" your route. Therefore, if you're like us and ride to planned routes (either from mags or ones we've created) we have to add more waypoints than previously added because it doesn't recognise shaping points and is more likely to take you off your route. We have to add them in after junctions so that it sticks to the route as much as possible, but then if needed we can skip them due to traffic/road closure etc. Therefore, the 50 max waypoints doesn't help and we have to break up our tours into smaller chunks. I understand this isn't an MRA issue and hopefully the CRN will provide further updates from everyone's feedback as it's still relatively new.
As I say it's not impossible, but for us, using Basecamp and the NAV5 was straight forward to plan, export and ride our routes compared to MRA/CRA/CRN set up.
@Topcat502
Different technology.
BMW Nav 5 and Basecamp = Garmin
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wrote on 12 Jun 2024, 19:54 last edited by
A further update to this
We've now done a ride where we have converted to waypoints through the Connected Ride App and then used the CRN to navigate. It doesn't recognise the difference between a destination and a waypoint, as the navigation display shows ETA for the next waypoint and the destination as the same. It also removes the waypoint from the route on the map as you go along. It doesn't alert you to the name of the waypoint either, it just tells you (sometimes) that you have reached your destination. -
@Topcat502
Different technology.
BMW Nav 5 and Basecamp = Garmin
BMW Connected App and the CRN = TomTomwrote on 12 Jun 2024, 20:54 last edited by@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Hi just started withn this ConnectedRide Navigator.
Question 1) Do i have to use TOMTOM Maps as default to export the GPX 1.1 file so it's recognised accurately in Navigator or does it not matter?
I have created both the track and Route files to test with HERE Maps and the TOMTOM Maps- not sure what is going to work here.
Question 2) Should i just create the Routes with the maximum 50 Shaping points and use that in GPX 1.1 format? either TOMTOM or HERE Maps (what works)?
Question 3) I preume if a track is too large it just can't handle it. Had a error when testing.
Hope they update so we can see the detail of way points, as that's most dissapointing.
Regards
Jez
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@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Hi just started withn this ConnectedRide Navigator.
Question 1) Do i have to use TOMTOM Maps as default to export the GPX 1.1 file so it's recognised accurately in Navigator or does it not matter?
I have created both the track and Route files to test with HERE Maps and the TOMTOM Maps- not sure what is going to work here.
Question 2) Should i just create the Routes with the maximum 50 Shaping points and use that in GPX 1.1 format? either TOMTOM or HERE Maps (what works)?
Question 3) I preume if a track is too large it just can't handle it. Had a error when testing.
Hope they update so we can see the detail of way points, as that's most dissapointing.
Regards
Jez
Hello
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Yes, it is best to use the TomTom card, because the CRN also uses the TomTom card. And the GPX 1.1 file also gives the best result and you can make the Shaping points visible in the connected app and therefore also on the CRN. There are no formation points in a GPX 1.2.
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You can create more than 50 Shaping points, only the connected app can make a maximum of 50 visible.
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If you have more than 50 Shaping points in your route, take the track, this is the file with more than 3000 support points.
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Hello
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Yes, it is best to use the TomTom card, because the CRN also uses the TomTom card. And the GPX 1.1 file also gives the best result and you can make the Shaping points visible in the connected app and therefore also on the CRN. There are no formation points in a GPX 1.2.
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You can create more than 50 Shaping points, only the connected app can make a maximum of 50 visible.
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If you have more than 50 Shaping points in your route, take the track, this is the file with more than 3000 support points.
wrote on 13 Jun 2024, 06:11 last edited by@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Many thanks i will try that.
Do you think we will eventually be able to obtain the information as per way points in MRA Navigation. Or at least some way to communicate the notes for each way point like Fuel - Coffee stop etc.
Regards
Jez
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@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Many thanks i will try that.
Do you think we will eventually be able to obtain the information as per way points in MRA Navigation. Or at least some way to communicate the notes for each way point like Fuel - Coffee stop etc.
Regards
Jez
No, I don't think so, because TomTom has to change this
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No, I don't think so, because TomTom has to change this
wrote on 13 Jun 2024, 12:07 last edited by@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Hi,
On another note when we look at routes could you add a field so we can see what mapping we used to create; either TOMTOM or HERE Maps.
Save me having to open all the routes.
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@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Hi,
On another note when we look at routes could you add a field so we can see what mapping we used to create; either TOMTOM or HERE Maps.
Save me having to open all the routes.
When you create a route you can choose the map
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When you create a route you can choose the map
wrote on 14 Jun 2024, 08:51 last edited by@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA
Hi,
Yes i know that - but if i am planning for TOMTOM or HERE Maps it be good to see what system i used in the information. Maybe we could add other details like avoidances used and if road closures are ignored etc.
Only other way but without all that detail would be to create seperate folders fot HERE and TOMTOM but missing the information in that box that would be nice.
Regards
Jez
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Use the TomTom map, use max 50 shaping points. Then send it to the connected app, choose the track and route with 50 points.
Then in the route file tick on the 3 dots in the upper right corner and choose convert to route with points. The 50 points will be visible.
Choose that route on the CRN and you can also make the track visible on the CRNwrote on 15 Jun 2024, 08:33 last edited by@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA yes correct. I just uploaded a topic on the same issue, did not know you had already posted this here. Is the 50 points a Tom Tom limit or is it just the Connected Ride app the limiting factor?
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@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA yes correct. I just uploaded a topic on the same issue, did not know you had already posted this here. Is the 50 points a Tom Tom limit or is it just the Connected Ride app the limiting factor?
wrote on 18 Jun 2024, 10:02 last edited byMaybe BMW should have collaborated with MRA - i have now had some correspondence with them with a list of improvements that could be made.
Only option at present is possibly the Carpe Iter. Then I can use MRA for Navigation and the Tablet allows far greater use.
