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  • richtea999undefined richtea999

    Good spot Jörgen!

    His attention to detail in the Construction guide page is second to none, and a comprehensive parts list too.

    I see he has the same issue as Joost at BarButtons (and no doubt others), i.e. the price of the 5-way joystick/thumbstick - waterproof ones are very expensive.
    However, he offers excellent alternative for waterproofing it yourself.

    Oh, but only a KTM rider would fit it on the throttle side, right?

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    @richtea999 said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

    Oh, but only a KTM rider would fit it on the throttle side, right?

    I guess that depends on whether you drive left or right? 😉

    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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      Hello, I'm the author/creator of MotoButtons. I added support for cycling through multiple modes of operation, including a new one for MyRoute App.

      I tested it out on the Android app, and it seems to work OK. It supports the same functionality as BarButtons, but the 8th button is a "virtual" button activated by long pressing the center joystick button.

      Briefly, the key mapping is up/down/left/right arrows, 'c', '-', '+' and 'n' (vitual). The virtual button pulls up the menu.

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        Hello, I'm the author/creator of MotoButtons. I added support for cycling through multiple modes of operation, including a new one for MyRoute App.

        I tested it out on the Android app, and it seems to work OK. It supports the same functionality as BarButtons, but the 8th button is a "virtual" button activated by long pressing the center joystick button.

        Briefly, the key mapping is up/down/left/right arrows, 'c', '-', '+' and 'n' (vitual). The virtual button pulls up the menu.

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        @joncox Hi, you read my suggestion, and you have it already implemented.

        That is great, thank you very much. 👍

        My parts will arrive tomorrow and I hope I can finish the MotoButtons over the weekend. I will let you know the result.

        Hardware
        iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
        Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
        Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
        Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
        Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
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        • joncoxundefined joncox

          Hello, I'm the author/creator of MotoButtons. I added support for cycling through multiple modes of operation, including a new one for MyRoute App.

          I tested it out on the Android app, and it seems to work OK. It supports the same functionality as BarButtons, but the 8th button is a "virtual" button activated by long pressing the center joystick button.

          Briefly, the key mapping is up/down/left/right arrows, 'c', '-', '+' and 'n' (vitual). The virtual button pulls up the menu.

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          @joncox, great that you are here! 😉 As I understand it, you open the menu using a press-down on the joystick. Does that same method also activate the menu option you select? That would probably explain why two buttons are enough.

          Another suggestion would be to make a longpress on one of the buttons switch from zooming +/- to volume +/-

          I am interested, I will look into your project for sure!

          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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            So MotoButtons is ready and with some little changes working with MRA.
            Zooming in/out, open menu etc. works fine.
            I am not sure which mode I like more (mouse or BarButtons), I need to have praxis test.

            Anyway thanks to Jon for this great project, I like it. 👍

            Hardware
            iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
            Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
            Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
            Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
            Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
            For more information, click here

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            • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

              So MotoButtons is ready and with some little changes working with MRA.
              Zooming in/out, open menu etc. works fine.
              I am not sure which mode I like more (mouse or BarButtons), I need to have praxis test.

              Anyway thanks to Jon for this great project, I like it. 👍

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              @Jörgen Can we have some pics, please! 👏

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                @Martin-Wilcke Looks like this one.

                https://github.com/joncox123/MotoButtons?

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                iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
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                  @Corjan-Meijerink I build the MotoButtons and they work fine so far. The author made some changes already to improve the function.
                  But they are not perfect, or may be I did something wrong.
                  The MotoButtons are in BarButton mode as well as MRA. Moving map, zoom in out are ok, long press on the joystick Center open menu or Center map. If I am in the menu, I can move up down, but how to get out of the menu? What command is needed, or how does the BarButton do this? With another button? And how is the skip waypoint working, also with another button?
                  May be a BarButton owner can help.

                  Hardware
                  iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                  Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                  Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                  Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                  Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                  For more information, click here

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                  • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                    @Corjan-Meijerink I build the MotoButtons and they work fine so far. The author made some changes already to improve the function.
                    But they are not perfect, or may be I did something wrong.
                    The MotoButtons are in BarButton mode as well as MRA. Moving map, zoom in out are ok, long press on the joystick Center open menu or Center map. If I am in the menu, I can move up down, but how to get out of the menu? What command is needed, or how does the BarButton do this? With another button? And how is the skip waypoint working, also with another button?
                    May be a BarButton owner can help.

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                    #13

                    @Jörgen The BarButtons codes are here:
                    https://jaxeadv.com/barbuttons/using-the-barbuttons/barbuttons-user-guide-v4/

                    The default keymap for MRA is Keymap 1:

                    And here's the specific info on what Keymap 1 does in MRA:
                    https://jaxeadv.com/barbuttons/compatible-applications/#htoc-m

                    So, combining those two together, to leave the menu you need to generate an 'N' = close drawer. Which on BarButtons is button 3.

                    Let us know how you get on!

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                      Here a video that explains the problem:

                      https://youtu.be/UYnIyIdnH_o?si=aScruJCCABUo3m7Q

                      Hardware
                      iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                      Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                      Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                      Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                      Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                      For more information, click here

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                      • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                        Here a video that explains the problem:

                        https://youtu.be/UYnIyIdnH_o?si=aScruJCCABUo3m7Q

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                        @Jörgen I think the problem is due to keyboard layout locale in Android and iOS. I changed the "keyboard layout" from US English to German in Android 10, and I reproduced the problem you said you had on iPhone (minus key becomes "/" key).

                        Your problem is different on Android, however, I am almost certain it is still a keyboard layout problem. You have to also set the "keyboard layout" for the MotoButtons to US English. This will only effect the MotoButtons controller, not the rest of your system.

                        https://www.mobilefun.co.uk/blog/2015/04/how-to-fix-bluetooth-keyboard-language-settings/

                        https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/add-or-change-keyboards-iph73b71eb/ios

                        In hindsight, I think MRA should use keys that do not change with different keyboard layouts. In other words, using n, c, +, - is probably a bad idea. However, on a US full sized keyboard, there are two minus keys. Maybe if I send the other one, it will work correctly on US and German layouts. I wasn't sure originally which one to send.

                        Lastly, in KeyEventDisplay, I noticed that holding down the center button does not release the key until the button is released. This is the proper behavior in DMD2, but it triggers the internal key repeat in Android. Again, the latest firmware is working correctly for me on iPhone and Android with US layout, but maybe this is also causing an issue on your Android tablet. I could try disabling the repeat for center button long press.

                        By the way, I am not studying the BarButtons code because I don't think he has released it as open source. So I am not looking at it to avoid any potential copyright questions.

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                          HI, I changed the keyboard layout as you said, but get still the black screen like in the video.
                          But I noticed something, when I do a long press (1-2sec.) on the center button, the first white LED is flashing. If I release the pressure then, the menu opens normal, if I press longer then LED flashing I get the black screen.

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                          iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                          Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                          Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
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                          Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
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                            Hi, I think we got a little further and were able to pinpoint the problem a little more precisely. It has nothing to do with the keyboard layout.
                            The MotoButtons send key signals to MRA (n, c, +, -, left, right, up, down).
                            During testing, I had Google open and cold see what keys were sent to my tablet. You could see +, -, for the zoom buttons, you could see c for the center button, and you could see n for long press center and on longer press nnnnnnnnnn.
                            But as shown in the video, if you press n too long in MRA, MRA crashes.
                            The first Idea was that is an issue of the MotoButtons, then I had the idea to use a Bluetooth keyboard in MRA (in BarButton Mode).
                            Everything worked as expected, except when I press n longer, MRA crashes.
                            So I can get the same problem, like in the above video with a BT keyboard.

                            @Corjan-Meijerink can you take a look into this?

                            Hardware
                            iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                            Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                            Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                            Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                            Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                            For more information, click here

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                            • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                              Hi, I think we got a little further and were able to pinpoint the problem a little more precisely. It has nothing to do with the keyboard layout.
                              The MotoButtons send key signals to MRA (n, c, +, -, left, right, up, down).
                              During testing, I had Google open and cold see what keys were sent to my tablet. You could see +, -, for the zoom buttons, you could see c for the center button, and you could see n for long press center and on longer press nnnnnnnnnn.
                              But as shown in the video, if you press n too long in MRA, MRA crashes.
                              The first Idea was that is an issue of the MotoButtons, then I had the idea to use a Bluetooth keyboard in MRA (in BarButton Mode).
                              Everything worked as expected, except when I press n longer, MRA crashes.
                              So I can get the same problem, like in the above video with a BT keyboard.

                              @Corjan-Meijerink can you take a look into this?

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                              @Jörgen I've replied to the email thread.
                              The issue regarding long pressing that character has been fixed for the next (beta) update.

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                              • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                @Jörgen I've replied to the email thread.
                                The issue regarding long pressing that character has been fixed for the next (beta) update.

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                                @Corjan-Meijerink Ok, thank you, saw the mail.

                                So you think that this and the other issue with BT connection have the same cause?
                                I will report after next update. 👍

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                                iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
                                Oukitel RT3 (Andr. 12)
                                Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
                                Wireless CarPlay mit (Elebest C650)
                                Wired CarPlay (SEAT Arona - 2021)
                                For more information, click here

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                                • Jörgenundefined Jörgen

                                  @Corjan-Meijerink Ok, thank you, saw the mail.

                                  So you think that this and the other issue with BT connection have the same cause?
                                  I will report after next update. 👍

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                                  @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

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                                  • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                    @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

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                                    @Corjan-Meijerink : BT Tasten für die MyRoute App Anwendung für Android und iPhone.

                                    Meine Suche hat ergeben bzw. gezeigt das nur eine ges. Lösung langfristig funktioniert, da es immer wieder scheitert wenn sich Basis Themen in Software oder Hardware im Umfeld der Hersteller ändern.

                                    Es gehört zwingend zusammen:

                                    • MRA Navi Lösung
                                    • BT Tasten Lösung

                                    Beides sollte aus einem Haus / einer Entwicklung hier dann von MEA Team kommen.

                                    Egal welche Lösung verfolgt wird, aus meiner Sicht gehört so eine BT Tastatur passend für MRA Navigation App Anwendung mit einer langfristigen Lösung für alle User auch zum Produkt der MRA ges. Lösung.

                                    Bitte MRA Team, löst das Problem, damit alle was gutes Langfristig haben.

                                    VG 👋

                                    VG Hubert
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                                    • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                      @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

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                                      @Corjan-Meijerink said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                                      @Jörgen the connection crash seems very weird and not reproducible on any of our Androids / iPhones 🙂 Could be your device, could be the tablet or something else 🤷

                                      Sorry Corjan, I could reproduce on a Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie) and on Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 (see Video).

                                      https://youtu.be/7crL4t3tJmE

                                      https://youtu.be/OdLeAfN4Xlw

                                      So I belive it is an issue.

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                                      iPhone 12 pro (iOS 17.0.2)
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                                      Samsung Galaxy XCover 4 (Andr. 9 Pie)
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                                        It could be related, but could also not be related 😉
                                        What I notice about my BarButtons, is that it will not reconnect automatically a second time. After loosing connection (eg draw the power plug and re-plug it), it will not reconnect. I need to remove the connection from the phone and re-pair the unit. But the app does not get influenced by this, in my case.

                                        I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                        Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                        Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                                        • Hubert Thoringundefined Hubert Thoring

                                          @Corjan-Meijerink : BT Tasten für die MyRoute App Anwendung für Android und iPhone.

                                          Meine Suche hat ergeben bzw. gezeigt das nur eine ges. Lösung langfristig funktioniert, da es immer wieder scheitert wenn sich Basis Themen in Software oder Hardware im Umfeld der Hersteller ändern.

                                          Es gehört zwingend zusammen:

                                          • MRA Navi Lösung
                                          • BT Tasten Lösung

                                          Beides sollte aus einem Haus / einer Entwicklung hier dann von MEA Team kommen.

                                          Egal welche Lösung verfolgt wird, aus meiner Sicht gehört so eine BT Tastatur passend für MRA Navigation App Anwendung mit einer langfristigen Lösung für alle User auch zum Produkt der MRA ges. Lösung.

                                          Bitte MRA Team, löst das Problem, damit alle was gutes Langfristig haben.

                                          VG 👋

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                                          @Hubert-Thoring said in MotoButtons Lite DIY project!:

                                          Es gehört zwingend zusammen:

                                          MRA Navi Lösung
                                          BT Tasten Lösung

                                          Why not add a dedicated hardware unit to the list...

                                          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                                          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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