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  • undefined Corjan Meijerink
    9 Jun 2023, 20:04

    @StefanHummelink I really hope we get some reproducible results 🙂 The issue is very weird for some Android phones

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    Stefan Hummelink
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    wrote on 9 Jun 2023, 20:07 last edited by
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    @Corjan-Meijerink Tomorrow I'll do some standalone Beta tests, in contrast to the ones today. Perhaps that makes a difference. Hmmm

    Manks bu'j te bange.

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    • undefined Corjan Meijerink
      9 Jun 2023, 20:04

      @StefanHummelink I really hope we get some reproducible results 🙂 The issue is very weird for some Android phones

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      Stefan Hummelink
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      wrote on 20 Jun 2023, 09:18 last edited by
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      @Corjan-Meijerink @Stuart-Greer I have found some very interesting results.

      If I run the MRA app stand-alone I get a delay on the cursor of about 20m while doing 30km/h and about 100m/150m while doing 80km/h. That comes down to a delay of approximately 3 to 5 seconds.

      Now here comes the interesting result: If I run the MRA app in conjunction with another GPS demanding app, such as FlitsMeister or GoogleMaps, the position of the cursor is almost spot on!

      During a ride, switching FlitsMeister on-and off, consistently toggles the delay to be present or not... Somehow, at least on my OnePlus 6, there seems to be a correlation between other apps requesting GPS data as well.

      @Stuart-Greer Can you try to confirm this behaviour? Open FlitsMeister and leave it running in the background, then start a route using MRA Navigation (Next) in the currently launched MyRoute-App Mobile app. Then switch off or swipe away the FlitsMeister app and proceed with the route. Notice any difference in position delay?

      Please post your findings here!

      Manks bu'j te bange.

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      • undefined Stefan Hummelink
        20 Jun 2023, 09:18

        @Corjan-Meijerink @Stuart-Greer I have found some very interesting results.

        If I run the MRA app stand-alone I get a delay on the cursor of about 20m while doing 30km/h and about 100m/150m while doing 80km/h. That comes down to a delay of approximately 3 to 5 seconds.

        Now here comes the interesting result: If I run the MRA app in conjunction with another GPS demanding app, such as FlitsMeister or GoogleMaps, the position of the cursor is almost spot on!

        During a ride, switching FlitsMeister on-and off, consistently toggles the delay to be present or not... Somehow, at least on my OnePlus 6, there seems to be a correlation between other apps requesting GPS data as well.

        @Stuart-Greer Can you try to confirm this behaviour? Open FlitsMeister and leave it running in the background, then start a route using MRA Navigation (Next) in the currently launched MyRoute-App Mobile app. Then switch off or swipe away the FlitsMeister app and proceed with the route. Notice any difference in position delay?

        Please post your findings here!

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        Stuart Greer
        wrote on 20 Jun 2023, 21:21 last edited by
        #12

        @StefanHummelink thanks Stefan, the time lag you mention is spot on and something I have timed on the bike and also in the car using android auto. When I mentioned 120m it was at 100lm/hr.
        I will try it alongside google maps and get back to you.
        The app is really good and getting better all the time

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        • undefined Stuart Greer
          20 Jun 2023, 21:21

          @StefanHummelink thanks Stefan, the time lag you mention is spot on and something I have timed on the bike and also in the car using android auto. When I mentioned 120m it was at 100lm/hr.
          I will try it alongside google maps and get back to you.
          The app is really good and getting better all the time

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          Stefan Hummelink
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          wrote on 20 Jun 2023, 21:25 last edited by
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          @Stuart-Greer Great, I am very curious!

          If you're phone supports split screen, you could really run the apps in parallel. Perhaps make a screen recording to see whether the track line in relation to the cursor changes. In my case I can observe a very distinct change when it comes to the track line relative to the cursor. 😃

          Manks bu'j te bange.

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            wrote on 20 Jun 2023, 21:55 last edited by
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            Hi @StefanHummelink @Stuart-Greer I have been using Flitsmeister in the background previously when running the MRA app on Android and I thought I would check your observations about improved position and less lag. I was running the iOS version alongside on CatPlay to compare and it does appear to significantly improve the lag issue. Whereas I had previously observed about a 4 second lag, the location appears to be spot on and the same compared with iOS when Flitsmeister is running in the background.

            Useful to get @Corjan-Meijerink view on this.

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              wrote on 20 Jun 2023, 22:07 last edited by
              #15

              This is all very interesting indeed!
              My testing device for Android has no other apps installed that use location services - only MRA.
              My positioning is spot on like with iOS or your observation with another app running.

              We will definitely use these findings to further investigate 🙂

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              • undefined Dave J 0
                20 Jun 2023, 21:55

                Hi @StefanHummelink @Stuart-Greer I have been using Flitsmeister in the background previously when running the MRA app on Android and I thought I would check your observations about improved position and less lag. I was running the iOS version alongside on CatPlay to compare and it does appear to significantly improve the lag issue. Whereas I had previously observed about a 4 second lag, the location appears to be spot on and the same compared with iOS when Flitsmeister is running in the background.

                Useful to get @Corjan-Meijerink view on this.

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                Stefan Hummelink
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                wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 05:06 last edited by
                #16

                @Dave-J-0 Oh nice you also came along to check upon this! Thanks! This surely helps 😃

                I'm happy to see the observations by you are identical. That makes two of us and it means I am not a loner hahah!

                Manks bu'j te bange.

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                • undefined Stefan Hummelink
                  21 Jun 2023, 05:06

                  @Dave-J-0 Oh nice you also came along to check upon this! Thanks! This surely helps 😃

                  I'm happy to see the observations by you are identical. That makes two of us and it means I am not a loner hahah!

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                  wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 05:51 last edited by
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                  @StefanHummelink could not leave you as a loner. Ha ha

                  Kind Regards. Help where I can.
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                  • undefined Stefan Hummelink
                    20 Jun 2023, 21:25

                    @Stuart-Greer Great, I am very curious!

                    If you're phone supports split screen, you could really run the apps in parallel. Perhaps make a screen recording to see whether the track line in relation to the cursor changes. In my case I can observe a very distinct change when it comes to the track line relative to the cursor. 😃

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                    Stuart Greer
                    wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 09:37 last edited by
                    #18

                    @StefanHummelink hi Stephan, as per your suggestion I ran both apps in split screen this morning on a run into Glasgow City centre and it was perfect. I had it zoomed in to the max and it was as good as any sat nav.
                    Thanks for your help

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                    • undefined Corjan Meijerink
                      20 Jun 2023, 22:07

                      This is all very interesting indeed!
                      My testing device for Android has no other apps installed that use location services - only MRA.
                      My positioning is spot on like with iOS or your observation with another app running.

                      We will definitely use these findings to further investigate 🙂

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                      Stuart Greer
                      wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 09:45 last edited by
                      #19

                      @Corjan-Meijerink excellent, the app is really good and getting better and better.
                      Looking forward to the camper functionality in the future

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                        wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 10:05 last edited by
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                        @StefanHummelink @Stuart-Greer Just done some more testing this morning and you really notice the difference and lag (especially when turning) after Flitsmeister running in the background is closed. Turned Flitsmeister off and on multiple times during a route to double check what we are seeing. Really strange but with Flitsmeister on in the background, the position is spot on and direction changes quick.

                        Kind Regards. Help where I can.
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                        • undefined Dave J 0
                          21 Jun 2023, 10:05

                          @StefanHummelink @Stuart-Greer Just done some more testing this morning and you really notice the difference and lag (especially when turning) after Flitsmeister running in the background is closed. Turned Flitsmeister off and on multiple times during a route to double check what we are seeing. Really strange but with Flitsmeister on in the background, the position is spot on and direction changes quick.

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                          wrote on 21 Jun 2023, 11:40 last edited by
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                          @Dave-J-0 @Stuart-Greer Woa, thanks a lot guys!

                          This may help @Corjan-Meijerink in solving the issue. Let's cross our fingers and put all our money on him. 😃

                          Manks bu'j te bange.

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                          • undefined Stefan Hummelink
                            21 Jun 2023, 11:40

                            @Dave-J-0 @Stuart-Greer Woa, thanks a lot guys!

                            This may help @Corjan-Meijerink in solving the issue. Let's cross our fingers and put all our money on him. 😃

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                            wrote on 22 Jun 2023, 07:50 last edited by
                            #22

                            @StefanHummelink Where can I share my bank details with you? I'd more than happy carry all your money 😃

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                              22 Jun 2023, 07:50

                              @StefanHummelink Where can I share my bank details with you? I'd more than happy carry all your money 😃

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                              wrote on 22 Jun 2023, 07:52 last edited by
                              #23

                              @Corjan-Meijerink I don't own my money, my wife does. 😃

                              Manks bu'j te bange.

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                                wrote on 22 Jun 2023, 08:04 last edited by
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                                Ah, good to know that I am not alone. My Minister of Finance also has the total control. 😂

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                                  wrote on 22 Jun 2023, 08:38 last edited by
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                                  It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

                                  I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

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                                    22 Jun 2023, 08:38

                                    It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

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                                    wrote on 22 Jun 2023, 08:59 last edited by
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                                    @Con-Hennekens said in Position Error:

                                    It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

                                    You go first and we’ll look at the consequences 😀

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                                      22 Jun 2023, 08:59

                                      @Con-Hennekens said in Position Error:

                                      It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

                                      You go first and we’ll look at the consequences 😀

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                                      @Nick-Carthew very good suggestion 😄

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                                        22 Jun 2023, 08:38

                                        It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

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                                        wrote on 22 Jun 2023, 09:27 last edited by
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                                        @Con-Hennekens As @Nick-Carthew already said, put your money where your mouth is! 😃

                                        Manks bu'j te bange.

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                                        • Nick Carthewundefined Nick Carthew
                                          22 Jun 2023, 08:59

                                          @Con-Hennekens said in Position Error:

                                          It's about time we MEN stand up for ourselves and become financially independent of our wives!

                                          You go first and we’ll look at the consequences 😀

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                                          wrote on 22 Jun 2023, 10:28 last edited by
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                                          @Nick-Carthew, hmmm. long way to go I see 🤣

                                          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                                          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

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