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  • undefined Lenny O
    30 Mar 2025, 11:21

    @Steve-Jarrell Steve, I am totally with you on that request! I is a big missing part in MRA.
    Btw, I was just playing with Kurviger (never heard of it before your mentioning it). I don't get to see unpaved roads like you do... Is it only for subscribed members?
    Thanks!

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    Steve Jarrell
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    wrote on 30 Mar 2025, 14:27 last edited by
    #16

    @Lenny-O That is a paid version (Tourer or Tourer+) feature.

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    • undefined Steve Jarrell
      30 Mar 2025, 14:27

      @Lenny-O That is a paid version (Tourer or Tourer+) feature.

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      Lenny O
      wrote on 30 Mar 2025, 14:34 last edited by
      #17

      @Steve-Jarrell Thank you!
      As of late, we still have no way to tell in MRA, right?

      Positive emotions are worth every penny ;)

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      • undefined Lenny O
        30 Mar 2025, 14:34

        @Steve-Jarrell Thank you!
        As of late, we still have no way to tell in MRA, right?

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        Steve Jarrell
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        wrote on 30 Mar 2025, 15:40 last edited by
        #18

        @Lenny-O Not that I know of.

        MRA does have an "avoid unpaved roads" option but that isn't the same thing as visualizing the unpaved section. For example, the unpaved section may only be 100 meters long and would be perfectly rideable but MRA will completely avoid it, many times taking you on a much longer and much less desirable route.

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        • undefined Steve Jarrell
          30 Mar 2025, 15:40

          @Lenny-O Not that I know of.

          MRA does have an "avoid unpaved roads" option but that isn't the same thing as visualizing the unpaved section. For example, the unpaved section may only be 100 meters long and would be perfectly rideable but MRA will completely avoid it, many times taking you on a much longer and much less desirable route.

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          Lenny O
          wrote on 30 Mar 2025, 15:44 last edited by
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          @Steve-Jarrell MRA sends you on unpaved road even if Avoid unpaved roads is selected... That's my biggest problem with that.

          Positive emotions are worth every penny ;)

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          • undefined Lenny O
            30 Mar 2025, 15:44

            @Steve-Jarrell MRA sends you on unpaved road even if Avoid unpaved roads is selected... That's my biggest problem with that.

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            Steve Jarrell
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            wrote on 30 Mar 2025, 16:19 last edited by
            #20

            @Lenny-O Which maps are you using? If you're not already using the OSM maps see if using them solves that issue. I have had some issues with the HERE/Garmin maps so I always double check a route using the OSM maps.

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            • undefined Steve Jarrell
              30 Mar 2025, 16:19

              @Lenny-O Which maps are you using? If you're not already using the OSM maps see if using them solves that issue. I have had some issues with the HERE/Garmin maps so I always double check a route using the OSM maps.

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              Lenny O
              wrote on 30 Mar 2025, 17:57 last edited by
              #21

              @Steve-Jarrell Since I use Garmin for Nav, I am using the HERE map as MRA recommends... Do you use OSM instead? Do you have any issues with Garmin navigation (if you use Garmin) or you just use OSM for verification?
              Thanks for help!

              Positive emotions are worth every penny ;)

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              • undefined Steve Jarrell
                30 Jan 2022, 17:50

                @hans-van-de-ven-mra-master Unfortunately that's not the case with many unpaved roads and the Here maps (at least in my area). Even if they were shown in a slightly different color, once I've made my route the route line covers up the different color that indicates that it is a dirt road, so if I go back to the route in the future I have no idea it goes over an unpaved road just by looking at it.

                Take a look at the screenshots below that illustrate what I'm talking about. Technologically it is possible to show unpaved roads very clearly as routes are being created and afterwards using OpenStreetMaps. Whether that's a feature that's worth investing development time in or not is another question entirely.

                Thanks for your help! I sincerely appreciate it!

                Steve

                Unpaved 1.jpg

                Unpaved 2.jpg

                Unpaved 3.jpg

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                Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
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                wrote on 31 Mar 2025, 09:08 last edited by
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                @Steve-Jarrell

                Hi Steve, I have already submitted a proposal to the programmers a while ago to include this in the planner if possible. Something like in the picture. (Red is unpaved)
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                Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
                Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                  BertM
                  wrote on 31 Mar 2025, 11:00 last edited by
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                  @Steve-Jarrell

                  The way OSM displays the layers depends on the stylesheet used when rendering the tiles.
                  Different tiles servers that use OSM render there tiles with a different stylesheet.

                  Depending on the stylesheet the tiles are rendered different.
                  for example the OSM standard map and the opencyclemap use the same data but look different.

                  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stylesheets

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                  • undefined BertM
                    31 Mar 2025, 11:00

                    @Steve-Jarrell

                    The way OSM displays the layers depends on the stylesheet used when rendering the tiles.
                    Different tiles servers that use OSM render there tiles with a different stylesheet.

                    Depending on the stylesheet the tiles are rendered different.
                    for example the OSM standard map and the opencyclemap use the same data but look different.

                    https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Stylesheets

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                    BertM
                    wrote on 31 Mar 2025, 11:19 last edited by
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                    e6f8158c-8b90-485a-b80d-9e2d8f7b343e-image.png

                    Kurviger uses the tileserver from Mapilion with his own stylesheet.

                    If you want to play with styles have a look here:
                    https://maplibre.org/maputnik/?layer=950344674~17#16.72/51.054925/16.312058

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                    • undefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
                      31 Mar 2025, 09:08

                      @Steve-Jarrell

                      Hi Steve, I have already submitted a proposal to the programmers a while ago to include this in the planner if possible. Something like in the picture. (Red is unpaved)
                      63f767be-699f-474e-9eb7-e32d2ce6a280-image.png

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                      Steve Jarrell
                      Valued contributor
                      wrote on 31 Mar 2025, 14:35 last edited by
                      #25

                      @Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA That would be a very, very useful feature! Thanks very much for the update and trying to get this feature implemented!!

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                      • undefined BertM
                        31 Mar 2025, 11:19

                        e6f8158c-8b90-485a-b80d-9e2d8f7b343e-image.png

                        Kurviger uses the tileserver from Mapilion with his own stylesheet.

                        If you want to play with styles have a look here:
                        https://maplibre.org/maputnik/?layer=950344674~17#16.72/51.054925/16.312058

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                        Steve Jarrell
                        Valued contributor
                        wrote on 31 Mar 2025, 14:45 last edited by
                        #26

                        @BertM Thanks. That's very interesting!

                        Hopefully the MRA guys can figure out how to make it happen! They've already implemented many, many very sophisticated and useful features that I would have never dreamed of so I'm confident they can do this as well if it makes its way to the priority list at some point. 👍

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                          Steve Jarrell
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                          wrote on 1 Apr 2025, 05:09 last edited by
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                          I agree completely. It's one of the very, very few features that Kurviger has that's demonstrably better than MRA.

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