Unable to route when avoiding highways

[Don Stauffer]

I'm working on the next bucket list tour. Selecting the Toolkit / Avoid / highways option makes the routing fail from waypoint 1 to waypoint 2.

https://www.myrouteapp.com/route/open/10100622/here#42.3002112;-83.820544;15/

I know that I can fix this by setting some number of intermediate waypoints, but I thought I would raise the question - why can't this route be resolved? I'd rather have the MRA routing make the initial attempt, and modify it from there.

I'm thinking that some section of road is designated 'highway' that would not match my definition of 'highway'. My goal is to avoid what we would call 'freeway' driving in the US, multi-lane, limited access roads full of semi trucks and fast-food chain restaurants. Perhaps a more specific error message could be displayed regarding the routing failure point.

Many thanks!

[Hans van de Ven MR.MRA]

@Don-Stauffer

Select the TomTom map. The Here-haart indicates that the route goes over a closed road

[RetiredWingMan]

@Don-Stauffer interesting, by changing the transport mode from motorcycle to car, Here is then able to plan a route. I suggest plann8ng your route using the car mode.

[Don Stauffer]

@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA Thanks Hans. That's a great workaround. Ultimately I need the Here map for my Garmin, but only at the later stages of planning.

[Hans van de Ven MR.MRA]

@RetiredWingMan

Always use the Car mode to plan your routes!

[Don Stauffer]

@RetiredWingMan Thanks, a very interesting and surprising discovery. I appreciate the useful information.

[richard 3v]

@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Unable to route when avoiding highways:

@RetiredWingMan

Always use the Car mode to plan your routes!

Why??, surely there is something amiss if that is the case!!

[Con Hennekens]

@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Unable to route when avoiding highways:

Always use the Car mode to plan your routes!

I agree with @richard-3v. Such a bold statement screams for an explanation. I happen to know that our chief developer uses the motor profile as his go-to mode.

@Don-Stauffer, That being said, if I place an extra waypoint between one and two, the motor profile calculates just fine. I do see a significant altering of the route between car and motorbike mode though. I think there are some length limits in place for calculation between waypoints, which might be different for motorbikes, or the the calculation for motorbikes crosses a hard universal limit. I really don't know.

[Hans van de Ven MR.MRA]

@richard-3v

Because you have more option when you use the car profile.

[Marinus van Deudekom]

@Con-Hennekens I only here you stating that the devs would use this bike profile. He never admitted that. But besides that. The bike profile only gives you trouble. Look at the many posts on this subject on the forum. Yes it would help if the devs would share their opinion on this subject

[Con Hennekens]

@Marinus-van-Deudekom, you can take my word for that fact
I see most "trouble" with the motorbike-profile being that it does not behave exactly like the car-profile. But if it did, we wouldn't need a motorbike profile, would we. I am the first to admit that it needs improvement, but unless you need "shortest" route optimisation, I see no real reason to abandon the motorbike profile.

[richard 3v]

@Hans-van-de-Ven-MR-MRA said in Unable to route when avoiding highways:

@richard-3v

Because you have more option when you use the car profile.

If that is the case why not include these options in the Motorcycle profile, or simply delete the Motorcyle profile altogether.

Sorry, but I fail to see the logic.

[richard 3v]

@richard-3v

Further to my post above, I have been having a look at the differences between "Car" and "Motorcycle". Up to now the only difference I have found is, as alluded to by @Con-Hennekens, the car profile has a "Shortest route" option whereas "Motorbike" defaults to "Fastest".

Are there other differences that I have yet to find??

[Hans van de Ven MR.MRA]

@richard-3v

No, not that i know

[RetiredWingMan]

@richard-3v it would seem that there slight differences in the Here algorithms and there are motorcycle restrictions on some roads although this seems to be a strictly European thing. I've never heard of it in North Ameruca.

[richard 3v]

OK all, thanks for all your responses, much appreciated.
I do like to TRY and understand things, although I'm far removed from a "tech" expert

[Marinus van Deudekom]

@RetiredWingMan but unfortunately the bike profile doesn't react on roads closed so there was the actual reason to ever use the bike and it's a no show

[Marinus van Deudekom]

@Con-Hennekens I'm willing to take your word for it. The fact that he doesn't give his opinion on this subject says a lot.
Instead of picking on eachother it might be better to have a solid statement regarding the technical issues on this subject. I'll wait patiëntly on that answer from our devs

[Con Hennekens]

@Marinus-van-Deudekom, I am not picking on anyone. I am sorry you feel that way. I am just explaining what I know.