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    Urs 4
    wrote on 12 Mar 2024, 12:32 last edited by Urs 4 3 Dec 2024, 12:33
    #1

    I have found several questions about blocked roads and the issue seems to be underlaying map information, e.g. that a blocked road is not yet registered as such.

    However im my case, OpenStreetMap shows an interruption and a piece of the road is even missing. However all 3 algorithms (OpenStreetMap, Here, TomTom) use this road.

    myrouteapp.png
    MyRoute-app planer

    Other planers (e.g. Kurviger) avoid this road.
    Bildschirmfoto 2024-03-12 um 13.26.35.png
    Kurviger

    Do I have wrong settings, is it a lack in MyRoute-app planer or does it "work as designed" and the avoidance is not possible with MyRoute-app planer?

    Thanks.

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      12 Mar 2024, 12:32

      I have found several questions about blocked roads and the issue seems to be underlaying map information, e.g. that a blocked road is not yet registered as such.

      However im my case, OpenStreetMap shows an interruption and a piece of the road is even missing. However all 3 algorithms (OpenStreetMap, Here, TomTom) use this road.

      myrouteapp.png
      MyRoute-app planer

      Other planers (e.g. Kurviger) avoid this road.
      Bildschirmfoto 2024-03-12 um 13.26.35.png
      Kurviger

      Do I have wrong settings, is it a lack in MyRoute-app planer or does it "work as designed" and the avoidance is not possible with MyRoute-app planer?

      Thanks.

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      Con Hennekens
      Alpha tester
      wrote on 12 Mar 2024, 14:07 last edited by
      #2

      @Urs-4, Strangely enough even the Google Streetview car seems to have stopped there:

      c676d6af-9e78-4756-aaad-a16c40ceb27c-image.png

      But the area is desginated "Igl Rutsch". I looked it up and see this picture on Google:

      615ede61-0d0d-416e-acba-4f2bb2deaee9-image.png

      On this page: https://lenews.ch/2023/06/23/brienz-rock-slide-residents-allowed-into-village-from-monday/

      So, the road is closed or restricted due to (danger of) landslide, but apparently some map-makers are not aware.

      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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        12 Mar 2024, 14:07

        @Urs-4, Strangely enough even the Google Streetview car seems to have stopped there:

        c676d6af-9e78-4756-aaad-a16c40ceb27c-image.png

        But the area is desginated "Igl Rutsch". I looked it up and see this picture on Google:

        615ede61-0d0d-416e-acba-4f2bb2deaee9-image.png

        On this page: https://lenews.ch/2023/06/23/brienz-rock-slide-residents-allowed-into-village-from-monday/

        So, the road is closed or restricted due to (danger of) landslide, but apparently some map-makers are not aware.

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        Urs 4
        wrote on 12 Mar 2024, 15:23 last edited by Urs 4 3 Dec 2024, 15:23
        #3

        @Con-Hennekens Thanks for your research. I think the landslide really destroyed the road about a year ago. I am actually not really concerned about this specific case.
        There will be other situations where the deviation will be more important.

        So it is rather a generic question.
        How can I avoid these roads/situations with MyRoute-app? If others can do it, the information must be there.

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          12 Mar 2024, 15:23

          @Con-Hennekens Thanks for your research. I think the landslide really destroyed the road about a year ago. I am actually not really concerned about this specific case.
          There will be other situations where the deviation will be more important.

          So it is rather a generic question.
          How can I avoid these roads/situations with MyRoute-app? If others can do it, the information must be there.

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          Con Hennekens
          Alpha tester
          wrote on 13 Mar 2024, 08:28 last edited by
          #4

          @Urs-4, I don't think the road is completely destroyed. The Streetview pictures date back to august 2014, but 2024 satellite imagery shows a clear road and a shade suggests a wall has been built there. My guess that the road is restricted to local traffic. Some mapmakers consider that closed, others consider that open.

          Interesting WIKI:
          5a4bc75d-66a5-494c-a627-6e382c864710-image.png

          I see that all locations on the google map show: temporary closed. I think it is slowly becoming a ghost-village...

          @Urs-4 said in Avoid blocked road:

          How can I avoid these roads/situations with MyRoute-app? If others can do it, the information must be there.

          The ham-question, with a simple answer: you can't... 😉
          The information is fragmented, there is no central registration.

          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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          • undefined Con Hennekens
            13 Mar 2024, 08:28

            @Urs-4, I don't think the road is completely destroyed. The Streetview pictures date back to august 2014, but 2024 satellite imagery shows a clear road and a shade suggests a wall has been built there. My guess that the road is restricted to local traffic. Some mapmakers consider that closed, others consider that open.

            Interesting WIKI:
            5a4bc75d-66a5-494c-a627-6e382c864710-image.png

            I see that all locations on the google map show: temporary closed. I think it is slowly becoming a ghost-village...

            @Urs-4 said in Avoid blocked road:

            How can I avoid these roads/situations with MyRoute-app? If others can do it, the information must be there.

            The ham-question, with a simple answer: you can't... 😉
            The information is fragmented, there is no central registration.

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            Reinhard-32
            wrote on 13 Mar 2024, 08:44 last edited by
            #5

            @Con-Hennekens
            To get some impressions, here is a video about the landslide:
            https://youtu.be/xhaneB34h48?si=p0dqE_Sm4xgR2wMU

            You can find more on YouTube

            Kindly regards
            Reinhard

            ZumoXT, Zumo 590, Montana 700i and Mac

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            • undefined Con Hennekens
              13 Mar 2024, 08:28

              @Urs-4, I don't think the road is completely destroyed. The Streetview pictures date back to august 2014, but 2024 satellite imagery shows a clear road and a shade suggests a wall has been built there. My guess that the road is restricted to local traffic. Some mapmakers consider that closed, others consider that open.

              Interesting WIKI:
              5a4bc75d-66a5-494c-a627-6e382c864710-image.png

              I see that all locations on the google map show: temporary closed. I think it is slowly becoming a ghost-village...

              @Urs-4 said in Avoid blocked road:

              How can I avoid these roads/situations with MyRoute-app? If others can do it, the information must be there.

              The ham-question, with a simple answer: you can't... 😉
              The information is fragmented, there is no central registration.

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              Urs 4
              wrote on 13 Mar 2024, 08:56 last edited by Urs 4
              #6

              @Con-Hennekens Thanks again. I start to understand better.

              "Here" and "TomTom" maps show a continued road and therefore don't have the information.
              I understand that they route over this road.
              here.png
              "Here" map


              However, "OpenStreetMap" shows an interruption.
              openstreetmap.png
              "OpenStreetMap"

              I guess the question boils down to why the OpenStreetMap algorithm uses this road.
              The answer must be that MyRoute-app ignores this information with OpenStreetMap.

              Should I add this as an enhancement request?

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              • undefined Urs 4
                13 Mar 2024, 08:56

                @Con-Hennekens Thanks again. I start to understand better.

                "Here" and "TomTom" maps show a continued road and therefore don't have the information.
                I understand that they route over this road.
                here.png
                "Here" map


                However, "OpenStreetMap" shows an interruption.
                openstreetmap.png
                "OpenStreetMap"

                I guess the question boils down to why the OpenStreetMap algorithm uses this road.
                The answer must be that MyRoute-app ignores this information with OpenStreetMap.

                Should I add this as an enhancement request?

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                Con Hennekens
                Alpha tester
                wrote on 13 Mar 2024, 09:19 last edited by Con Hennekens
                #7

                @Urs-4, I looked it up:

                3ba1278a-16fe-45d7-97a5-fdc7d62aabd0-image.png

                https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=16/46.6708/9.6004

                That piece of road seems to be explicitly reported as prohibited for all traffic.
                If I switch to bicycle or foot, you are actually lead around it, it's just car-mode that does not lead around it. So I think you are on to something, and the traffic-awareness in OSM Car-mode is ignored. @Corjan-Meijerink, this might be something you want to check.

                It would be good if someone in that neighborhood could show road signs that show this closure. Do we have forum members in that area? 😉

                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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                • undefined Con Hennekens
                  13 Mar 2024, 09:19

                  @Urs-4, I looked it up:

                  3ba1278a-16fe-45d7-97a5-fdc7d62aabd0-image.png

                  https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit#map=16/46.6708/9.6004

                  That piece of road seems to be explicitly reported as prohibited for all traffic.
                  If I switch to bicycle or foot, you are actually lead around it, it's just car-mode that does not lead around it. So I think you are on to something, and the traffic-awareness in OSM Car-mode is ignored. @Corjan-Meijerink, this might be something you want to check.

                  It would be good if someone in that neighborhood could show road signs that show this closure. Do we have forum members in that area? 😉

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                  Urs 4
                  wrote on 13 Mar 2024, 12:13 last edited by
                  #8

                  @Con-Hennekens Perfect, thanks!!
                  The OpenStreetMap lookup explains it. The road should not be taken.
                  So I think it is an issue with the OpenStreetMap algorithm (within MyRoute-app) and I leave it there.

                  NB:
                  I was not aware of this possibility to look up the details.
                  Would be handy to see these details directly in the MyRoute-app.

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                  • undefined Urs 4
                    13 Mar 2024, 12:13

                    @Con-Hennekens Perfect, thanks!!
                    The OpenStreetMap lookup explains it. The road should not be taken.
                    So I think it is an issue with the OpenStreetMap algorithm (within MyRoute-app) and I leave it there.

                    NB:
                    I was not aware of this possibility to look up the details.
                    Would be handy to see these details directly in the MyRoute-app.

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                    TomOnTour
                    wrote on 14 Mar 2024, 06:07 last edited by
                    #9

                    @Urs-4 said in Avoid blocked road:

                    NB:
                    I was not aware of this possibility to look up the details.
                    Would be handy to see these details directly in the MyRoute-app

                    Really cool idea 🙂
                    A +1 from me 🙂

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                    • undefined Urs 4
                      13 Mar 2024, 12:13

                      @Con-Hennekens Perfect, thanks!!
                      The OpenStreetMap lookup explains it. The road should not be taken.
                      So I think it is an issue with the OpenStreetMap algorithm (within MyRoute-app) and I leave it there.

                      NB:
                      I was not aware of this possibility to look up the details.
                      Would be handy to see these details directly in the MyRoute-app.

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                      Con Hennekens
                      Alpha tester
                      wrote on 14 Mar 2024, 11:54 last edited by
                      #10

                      @Urs-4 said in Avoid blocked road:

                      Would be handy to see these details directly in the MyRoute-app.

                      Yes it would, but I also think it would lead to a lot of clutter in the app. Every map-maker has their own methods of checking and communicating changes. Maybe it is sensible to add a menu option for a waypoint, to lookup the same position on either the OSM, TT or HERE webpage directly.

                      I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                      Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                      Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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