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  • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

    @Corjan-Meijerink If so then it should not choose the highway from start, there was italian tool road, and as mentioned it choosed to get off AC somewhere in middle of trip, already in my county (Slovenia) where I was already on the AC (vignette). So tool road shouldnt be thecase, in this case he would be driving me through cities from start.

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    @Jure-Sirena-0 This is instant print screen at start MRA vs tomTom (you probbaly know if connected to Carplay, it takes screenshot of phone and CP display)
    Tomtom longer but faster (AC obviously)
    f.jpg
    MRA shorten distance, much more time. wanted to do siteseeing at night in winter....
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      MRA just before the famous turn to leave AC, and just after I havent left on the turn but kept going. Recalculating with KM up, ETA down
      b.jpg
      a.jpg

      You see current actual time is still same.

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        Wow! Thanks, this helps a lot 🙂

        It might be as simple then that our app always prefers shorter over faster. Or it might be way more complex 😉

        Regardless, thanks a lot for these details.

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        • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

          Wow! Thanks, this helps a lot 🙂

          It might be as simple then that our app always prefers shorter over faster. Or it might be way more complex 😉

          Regardless, thanks a lot for these details.

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          @Corjan-Meijerink Its defenetely a map problem - you can see it in route planner already - its because categorization of roads in openstreet map is shitty..... Same route, openstreetmaps just wont use highway, and ETA is significantly higheras per tomtom or even HERE maps (almost 2 hours). With this unfortunatelly to me the app is useless as navigation is useless...:(

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          Tomtom is far superior here and trustworthy (using in paralele Tomtom Mobile GO and Tomtom rider 550 on the bike

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          • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

            @Corjan-Meijerink Its defenetely a map problem - you can see it in route planner already - its because categorization of roads in openstreet map is shitty..... Same route, openstreetmaps just wont use highway, and ETA is significantly higheras per tomtom or even HERE maps (almost 2 hours). With this unfortunatelly to me the app is useless as navigation is useless...:(

            0f7b5180-8905-4268-906b-5d1c9dea3d19-image.png

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            15d3553b-83d8-477c-822a-5b2662d33560-image.png

            Tomtom is far superior here and trustworthy (using in paralele Tomtom Mobile GO and Tomtom rider 550 on the bike

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            @Jure-Sirena-0 MRA Navigation (Next) uses HERE maps, not OSM, so what you're saying doesn't make sense.

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            • Herko ter Horstundefined Herko ter Horst

              @Jure-Sirena-0 MRA Navigation (Next) uses HERE maps, not OSM, so what you're saying doesn't make sense.

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              @Herko-ter-Horst Last picture in last post is Here maps:
              898km and 12h:35min
              tomtom is second picture
              915km and 10h:55min
              exactly same route, only changing maps in menu. On top of this MRA Next Beta application ALWAYS takes me off motorway through the back road - just like first picture with openstreetmaps does (app pic during navigation few pics higher), something is wrong....very wrong.

              Routing in MRA Next is same as in routeplanner with Openstreetmaps. While the most wrong thing is that it chooses it despite not being the fastest (when you decide not to take it, it recalculates and ETA drops signoificantly)

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                I have tested this weekend 3 other routes inland point to point A-B, no intermideatte waypoints, all cca 100km, MRA Next app took me (wanted to) all the time through back roads, through cities....and yes route planer is set to fastest on no curvines (you can see the signs beside each waypoint)

                Same route with tomtom faultless and always cca 20-25min faster (including potential traffic slow downs, which are amazingly accurate in tomtom)

                app is PERFECT when you exactly precise the route with your many waypoints, while navigation itself at the moment is lacking quality. Guys will look into it.

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                • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

                  I have tested this weekend 3 other routes inland point to point A-B, no intermideatte waypoints, all cca 100km, MRA Next app took me (wanted to) all the time through back roads, through cities....and yes route planer is set to fastest on no curvines (you can see the signs beside each waypoint)

                  Same route with tomtom faultless and always cca 20-25min faster (including potential traffic slow downs, which are amazingly accurate in tomtom)

                  app is PERFECT when you exactly precise the route with your many waypoints, while navigation itself at the moment is lacking quality. Guys will look into it.

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                  wrote on last edited by Hans van de Ven MR.MRA
                  #14

                  @Jure-Sirena-0
                  Hello @Jure-Sirena-0

                  I'm curious if you recreated the routes (with the 8 points and 898 KM) from scratch on every map?
                  What options from the toolbox have you used in each map?

                  I have made the following routes from scratch in every map.
                  Only used 2 points and didn't use options from the toolbox.
                  8271fc04-cb10-49e9-8fff-8b7bb522eea1-image.png

                  OSM:
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                  TomTom:
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                  Here:
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                  Comparison of the 3 routes:
                  OSM route opened, it has a black line.
                  Here has the yellow line
                  TomTom has the blue line
                  Now you see that all 3 routes are generated differently on some parts.
                  7f5bf326-37c7-4f4e-8354-333c65e8a57c-image.png

                  Tom route opened, it has a black line.
                  OSM has the yellow line
                  Here has the blue line
                  Now you see that all 3 routes are generated differently on some parts.
                  f9d1dea9-53a4-425f-843f-b7943cbf69de-image.png

                  Here route opened, it has a black line.
                  OSM has the yellow line
                  TomTom has the blue line
                  Now you see that all 3 routes are generated differently on some parts.
                  207db029-d693-4bd5-980d-d32fb052ff0c-image.png

                  Conclusion, so it depends on which map you make a route.
                  To use MRA Navigation (Next) it is best to plan your route in the Here map. With A to B routes (which you probably use) only in the app and therefore the Here map, you know for sure that you have the fastest route, because that's how the routing of the Here map is set.
                  That the times and distances differ slightly per map can therefore be explained. Because each card has its own routing settings.

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                  Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                  • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

                    @Jure-Sirena-0
                    Hello @Jure-Sirena-0

                    I'm curious if you recreated the routes (with the 8 points and 898 KM) from scratch on every map?
                    What options from the toolbox have you used in each map?

                    I have made the following routes from scratch in every map.
                    Only used 2 points and didn't use options from the toolbox.
                    8271fc04-cb10-49e9-8fff-8b7bb522eea1-image.png

                    OSM:
                    0c151df5-36e1-4359-989f-1fa675cd635e-image.png

                    TomTom:
                    7d0a3416-9b82-4ece-8901-4b8dcb5402c5-image.png

                    Here:
                    2c0e1a59-40df-4363-b2ba-d86dd973c0f3-image.png

                    Comparison of the 3 routes:
                    OSM route opened, it has a black line.
                    Here has the yellow line
                    TomTom has the blue line
                    Now you see that all 3 routes are generated differently on some parts.
                    7f5bf326-37c7-4f4e-8354-333c65e8a57c-image.png

                    Tom route opened, it has a black line.
                    OSM has the yellow line
                    Here has the blue line
                    Now you see that all 3 routes are generated differently on some parts.
                    f9d1dea9-53a4-425f-843f-b7943cbf69de-image.png

                    Here route opened, it has a black line.
                    OSM has the yellow line
                    TomTom has the blue line
                    Now you see that all 3 routes are generated differently on some parts.
                    207db029-d693-4bd5-980d-d32fb052ff0c-image.png

                    Conclusion, so it depends on which map you make a route.
                    To use MRA Navigation (Next) it is best to plan your route in the Here map. With A to B routes (which you probably use) only in the app and therefore the Here map, you know for sure that you have the fastest route, because that's how the routing of the Here map is set.
                    That the times and distances differ slightly per map can therefore be explained. Because each card has its own routing settings.

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                    #15

                    @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master its what I am saying all the time, I know app uses Here maps, but the problem is that its navigatiing with big big errors - not taking / using the highways, taking you backroads etc, despite having used no special toolbox. I have settings to fastest and 0 curvines.

                    It happened again today - from A to B:
                    Same exact point but MRA Next map wanted to go right through the city, while tomtom took the most sensable way straight to Ljubljana ringroad. This are my everyday routes and I know you need to be crazy not to take ring road (no tool roads by the way on it) so MRA takes the crazy option througj the city.
                    In circles - it seems that MRA next ALWAYS takes the shortest option no matter what you choose.

                    By taking shortest option you know what it happens. The app took me twice to strange roads and then I started to compare

                    BTW: Look closely to your test routes, tomtom is 1h faster on more km (!!) because it AVOIDS cities like essen, HERE takes you throuh city
                    This is my point, and if you will while driving choose to go where tomtom is navigationg you ETa in MRA will immediatelly drop by 10-20min! So I am absolutely 100% sure it is not navigating via FASTEST option1.jpg 2.jpg

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                      #16

                      Todays case from route planner:

                      Here maps - as per MRA Next:
                      ee0e459c-68c0-46cc-bd42-f81bf0d95a60-image.png

                      Tomtom (Tomtom mobile GO on phone choosed same option):
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                      Secomd option is FAR FAR prefered, and FAR FAR fastest, its a ring road obviously.

                      First option through the center of city, also dictated by MRA app, second via ring road dicated by Tomtom. I refused to go via MRA, and when I reached ring road MRA recalculated and went where I wanted to go, and its ETA dropped by 14 min!

                      So my only point: MRA Next does not navigate via optimal route UNLESS you cleary set your waypoints where you want to go

                      In my car I can use phone for MRA app and Carplay for Tom tom simultaniously, when taking print screen it takes screen of both simultaniously

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                        #17

                        I can continue, I am planing big motorcycle trip in Tunisia in Feb 2023:

                        Same route, despite the fact that I set many many waypoints on path where I want to go:

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                        Tomtom is 2 hours (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) faster despite more km

                        I am a motorcycle guide who travels cca 30-40.000km per year and I have real faith in tomtom navigation. I realyl like the MRA app because of features, especially regarding waypoints and segments, but navigation is not serious 😞

                        To be clear - I am not blaming the app, but I do think reason is in map database, app is only using the info embeded in the maps (categorization of roads, positioning, etc etc) So I guess, having a serious navigation requires serious map database....

                        Segments like this make a difference - green is HERE maps, imagin going through center of busy tunis cities....
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                          When you say
                          To use MRA Navigation (Next) it is best to plan your route in the Here map. With A to B routes (which you probably use) only in the app and therefore the Here map, you know for sure that you have the fastest route, because that's how the routing of the Here map is set.

                          Everything in practice shows this is not true, it seems MRA N always chooses shortest route

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                          • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

                            When you say
                            To use MRA Navigation (Next) it is best to plan your route in the Here map. With A to B routes (which you probably use) only in the app and therefore the Here map, you know for sure that you have the fastest route, because that's how the routing of the Here map is set.

                            Everything in practice shows this is not true, it seems MRA N always chooses shortest route

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                            @Jure-Sirena-0

                            @Jure-Sirena-0 Thanks for your input, MRA Navigation (Next) is still in the development phase, so things will definitely improve

                            Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
                            Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                            • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

                              @Jure-Sirena-0

                              @Jure-Sirena-0 Thanks for your input, MRA Navigation (Next) is still in the development phase, so things will definitely improve

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                              @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
                              Keep it up!

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                                A quick follow up here: by default the toll road are disabled. This means that the app will not use them if an alternative is possible.

                                In a next update (not the upcoming) more routing preferences will be added 😃

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                                • Corjan Meijerinkundefined Corjan Meijerink

                                  A quick follow up here: by default the toll road are disabled. This means that the app will not use them if an alternative is possible.

                                  In a next update (not the upcoming) more routing preferences will be added 😃

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                                  @Corjan-Meijerink
                                  When I use the app to make a route somewhere I want to go in Canada it uses Toll roads before non toll on the route it makes. I hate this, I should be able to pick no tolls, dirt roads, etc.

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                                    @Corjan-Meijerink
                                    When I use the app to make a route somewhere I want to go in Canada it uses Toll roads before non toll on the route it makes. I hate this, I should be able to pick no tolls, dirt roads, etc.

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                                    @Tumbleweed Yes, I completely understand. Therefore we are implementing it in another iteration 😉 No worries! It's still a Beta app and we need to prioritise what features we pick first.

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                                      #24

                                      I prepared the routes for Tunisia, but I must say to my dissapointment I cannot use the app - and main reason is HERE maps.....from begining of this post I suspected the reason for bad navigation is in the HERE maps.

                                      1.case (same route just changing maps)
                                      When I create route, it takes me FAR FAR around between waypoint 10-11, because lots of MAIN roads are missing: HERE MAPS
                                      faf1fde9-40d8-4433-b04f-ca919a51cf15-image.png

                                      Tomtom maps (more then 3h less)
                                      64d2c9f8-09c4-4dff-91c4-89208b380348-image.png

                                      Openstreet maps
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                                      Comparing route on both maps
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                                      1. case
                                        Here maps is green, you can also see that it wants to take me straight through Sahara desert sand to waypoint 15....skipping points 12,13,14??

                                      3.case
                                      Between point 8 and 9 takes road that is not driveable...etc

                                      1. case
                                        from point 3 it takes unexisting road again

                                      Since the MRA usas the wors map option - HERE I cant use the app on my trip....
                                      And I noticed lots of this map errors driving in central Europe.
                                      Time to invest in maps guys....

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                                      • Jure Sirena 0undefined Jure Sirena 0

                                        I prepared the routes for Tunisia, but I must say to my dissapointment I cannot use the app - and main reason is HERE maps.....from begining of this post I suspected the reason for bad navigation is in the HERE maps.

                                        1.case (same route just changing maps)
                                        When I create route, it takes me FAR FAR around between waypoint 10-11, because lots of MAIN roads are missing: HERE MAPS
                                        faf1fde9-40d8-4433-b04f-ca919a51cf15-image.png

                                        Tomtom maps (more then 3h less)
                                        64d2c9f8-09c4-4dff-91c4-89208b380348-image.png

                                        Openstreet maps
                                        e022d76c-4ef1-49ce-9268-b2afc98f0c5e-image.png

                                        Comparing route on both maps
                                        e16c159c-9dff-4b94-bbe3-1a971e22b827-image.png

                                        1. case
                                          Here maps is green, you can also see that it wants to take me straight through Sahara desert sand to waypoint 15....skipping points 12,13,14??

                                        3.case
                                        Between point 8 and 9 takes road that is not driveable...etc

                                        1. case
                                          from point 3 it takes unexisting road again

                                        Since the MRA usas the wors map option - HERE I cant use the app on my trip....
                                        And I noticed lots of this map errors driving in central Europe.
                                        Time to invest in maps guys....

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                                        #25

                                        @Jure-Sirena-0

                                        Just zoom in and place some extra shaping points
                                        The here map is good for navigating, or is it due to the route taken?

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                                        Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is.

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                                        • Hans van de Ven MR.MRAundefined Hans van de Ven MR.MRA

                                          @Jure-Sirena-0

                                          Just zoom in and place some extra shaping points
                                          The here map is good for navigating, or is it due to the route taken?

                                          cff7966b-53ed-49f1-a8e1-3ffd43286936-image.png

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                                          @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master said in Quality of navigation:

                                          @Jure-Sirena-0

                                          Just zoom in and place some extra shaping points
                                          The here map is good for navigating, or is it due to the route taken?

                                          cff7966b-53ed-49f1-a8e1-3ffd43286936-image.png

                                          What is the point if the user has to make route and not the tool? Will I always need to g oto other tools to see roads and manually create points for every wrong paths in routes? Sorry it does not work like that especially on not known terriotries.
                                          Thats my original point - qiality of navigation.

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