BMW Navigator V and V1
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@Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master - anothere quick attempt as I realised that I had saved the point with the symbol as a shaping point and that was obviously not going to show a symbol.
Changed that point to a stop (with a symbol) and added another shaping point.
Exported to my Nav V but it treated both waypoints (the waypoint which should have been a stop and the waypoint that is marked as a shaping point) exactly the same.
I checked the code again and compared it with the code I used previously and there seems to be additional code in the MyRouteApp file in comparison with my own stripped version (I could not get symbols to feed through either but had shaping points and stops/waypoints).
I also checked an older MotoGoLoco file and this is pretty simple in comparison as well although I did not manage to replicate that.
I will try and work on the MotoGoLoco file in a text editor and use it as the basis to create a new file using the waypoints that I created for my test - perhaps that will show me where things differ and what does and does not work for the Nav V.
Enough for today though...
Save your route as gpx 1.1 route, track poi
Garmin Zumo XT2/XT/BMW Connected Ride Navigator/MyRouteapp (The App)
Een dag niet gelachen is een dag niet geleefd / Een route is net zo goed als deze uitgezet is. -
Save your route as gpx 1.1 route, track poi
@Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master I do that already as I have tried all 3 types of export (save as) and found this one to be best.
I really think it is down to the Nav V. When on tour with other clients (Magellan) and friends, I notice that the Nav V is probably the worst GPS device for routing amongst out there (Garmin and TomTom) but, the obvious advantage is that it works with the BMW scroll wheel and is pretty functional.
I can live with manually creating files if this ends up then best way for me to get the device working in the manner I would prefer.
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I was intrigued by this so I did some tests on MRA Navigation and on my Zumo XT.
If you save the POI as a POI not as a waypoint then the image Icon will be visible in MRA Navigation but in the Garmin XT it does pull through but it is created as a Waypoint in Explore.
@Steve-Lynch I will check that on Friday when I next have a chance although am pretty sure that I have already done this to no avail.
I think that the BMW Nav V is the culprit as a pal of mine has a Garmin and I am almost certain that it pulls through symbols from the routes I create (almost certain but not completely so...).
Thank you for your help and screen shots. Very useful.
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I was intrigued by this so I did some tests on MRA Navigation and on my Zumo XT.
If you save the POI as a POI not as a waypoint then the image Icon will be visible in MRA Navigation but in the Garmin XT it does pull through but it is created as a Waypoint in Explore.
@Steve-Lynch I just did some more testing using the app on my phone then looking st the code it produced;-
</metadata><wpt lon="4.8144764" lat="45.191285"><name>Esso</name><type>user</type><extensions>
I cannot check this on the GPS at the moment but it looks like the lat and lon if the ESSO garage will be carried through as metadata and shown as a POI - which you also found.
I chose the option to save as a waypoint and a POI so hopefully the garage will come through as a destination and show a nice symbol.
We will see but this certainly looks promising.
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@Nick-Dawson said in BMW Navigator V and V1:
@Steve-Lynch
@Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
This morning I used the file I had created on Wednesday where I had saved a POI as a POI (and a waypoint as both these options were available). On MRA these show as you woudl expect:-
I also have two shaping points and one viaPoint on the file.
I had high hopes for the symbol for the service station pulling through given that the information was saved as metadata (see previous message) but it did not.
Below is the Esso Station on the Nav V
Conclusion:-
I am quite certain that the problem is due to the chip (as mentioned by @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master) in the BMW Navigator V - as far as I can see, I am doing everything correctly with regard to the software however the POI simply does not pass through using the code from MRA (or possibly any other code).I know for certain that I did used to see the POI's when using MotoGoLoco a number of years ago but cannot now seem to repicate this.
At the end of the day, it is simply a nice to have rather than a necessity and the main functionality I use is simply shaping and via points both of which pass through without any issue.
I wish that the Navigator V's mapping followed more closely that of MRA (I use HERE but even on the simple test I carried out for the POI, the Garmin chose to double back from a shaping point to get to the next one whereas MRA continued - this is a problem I see often on tour and is very frustrating given the amount of planning that goes into route creation!).
MRA is a fantastic product and very functional - all credit and thanks to the developers and experts who support it.
I will accept that the Navigator V has limitations and work within gthe paramaters that I know work .
BMW are not going to be releasing a Navigator V11 and are moving along with the motor industry to mapping and routing linked to the phone and this is the future.
There are however a lot of BMW motorcycles out there and the Navigator V will be with us for probably another 5 years before it becomes completely obsolite.
thank you again
Nick
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@Nick-Dawson said in BMW Navigator V and V1:
@Steve-Lynch
@Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master
This morning I used the file I had created on Wednesday where I had saved a POI as a POI (and a waypoint as both these options were available). On MRA these show as you woudl expect:-
I also have two shaping points and one viaPoint on the file.
I had high hopes for the symbol for the service station pulling through given that the information was saved as metadata (see previous message) but it did not.
Below is the Esso Station on the Nav V
Conclusion:-
I am quite certain that the problem is due to the chip (as mentioned by @Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-Master) in the BMW Navigator V - as far as I can see, I am doing everything correctly with regard to the software however the POI simply does not pass through using the code from MRA (or possibly any other code).I know for certain that I did used to see the POI's when using MotoGoLoco a number of years ago but cannot now seem to repicate this.
At the end of the day, it is simply a nice to have rather than a necessity and the main functionality I use is simply shaping and via points both of which pass through without any issue.
I wish that the Navigator V's mapping followed more closely that of MRA (I use HERE but even on the simple test I carried out for the POI, the Garmin chose to double back from a shaping point to get to the next one whereas MRA continued - this is a problem I see often on tour and is very frustrating given the amount of planning that goes into route creation!).
MRA is a fantastic product and very functional - all credit and thanks to the developers and experts who support it.
I will accept that the Navigator V has limitations and work within gthe paramaters that I know work .
BMW are not going to be releasing a Navigator V11 and are moving along with the motor industry to mapping and routing linked to the phone and this is the future.
There are however a lot of BMW motorcycles out there and the Navigator V will be with us for probably another 5 years before it becomes completely obsolite.
thank you again
Nick
I tested the BMW R1250RT with the BMW Motorrad connect app. BMW uses the TomTom map for this.
I emailed the gpx 1.1 (Track and POI) to me, opened the app on the phone and loaded the gpx.
The route / track is then visible on the big screen and you can start the route. -
Yes - I have done the same and this works absolutely fine.
That was not my query though - I use the BMW Navigator V and this is what I have been discussing.
When I take clients on tour (I have 25 on a trip next May), there is a mix of TomTom, Garmin and BMW Navigator GPS'. Hardly anyone will use the BMW app but, over the next few years, as more motorcycles come with this as standard and the app itself improves, this will be the way forward.
I have the R1250GS which has the BMW app (more like the Beeline navigaion systems which I use on another motorcycle) - the app works but you need to understand what you are doing, what it is really telling you and where you are. If creating routes for clients or friends, you need to work on the basis that the level of understanding or even interest is low. Most clients trust the GPS and only briefly look at maps to find out where they are going. They are more intersted in the riding, country and experience.
It is the people on this forum who are the ones interested in getting it right and as easy to use as possible for others.
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Yes - I have done the same and this works absolutely fine.
That was not my query though - I use the BMW Navigator V and this is what I have been discussing.
When I take clients on tour (I have 25 on a trip next May), there is a mix of TomTom, Garmin and BMW Navigator GPS'. Hardly anyone will use the BMW app but, over the next few years, as more motorcycles come with this as standard and the app itself improves, this will be the way forward.
I have the R1250GS which has the BMW app (more like the Beeline navigaion systems which I use on another motorcycle) - the app works but you need to understand what you are doing, what it is really telling you and where you are. If creating routes for clients or friends, you need to work on the basis that the level of understanding or even interest is low. Most clients trust the GPS and only briefly look at maps to find out where they are going. They are more intersted in the riding, country and experience.
It is the people on this forum who are the ones interested in getting it right and as easy to use as possible for others.
@Steve-Lynch
@Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-MasterI am going to see if I can find a BMW Navigator VI for a reasonable price and test this over the winter!
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@Steve-Lynch
@Hans-van-de-Ven-MRA-MasterI am going to see if I can find a BMW Navigator VI for a reasonable price and test this over the winter!
Got one on Ebay but, because it is in the UK and me in France, I will not physically get it until next year when I meet my pal who I had it sent to..
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Got one on Ebay but, because it is in the UK and me in France, I will not physically get it until next year when I meet my pal who I had it sent to..
@nick-dawson Could your pal not send it to you, stating on the customs label that it is property being returned to you? This is a bona fide means of avoiding VAT and import duties which I have used to send stuff to family in Ireland (you might want to look into t’s & c’s though).
