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First point is often ignored

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  • Mzokkundefined Mzokk

    Put the first point some distance say 1km away from where you are. The GPS system know where you are when you start and will navigate you through the first waypoint. This is good practice no matter what GPS system you are using.

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    @Mzokk I like this idea, but if cruisers are navigating to a start point, like a large retail outlet using the app from their residence, it will take them to a point 1km away from the meetup location.

    I suppose that’s ok if everyone knows to navigate to the starting location, then shut down the route to the meetup location, and start the new route leading cruisers to the via point 1 km away.

    Chuck

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    • M. Schrijverundefined M. Schrijver

      @Herman-Veldhuizen
      Maybe a stupid reaction.
      I only watched your first video. But something you can check.
      If you draw a straight line from your postion to (way)point 1 and a straight line from your to the postion where the route is picked up.
      Which line is the shortest?

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      @M.-Schrijver I did some more testing related to nearest in another region with more mountains and while being somewhere halfway (not near the start). The app indeed finds a track point (when navigating as a track) or a waypoint (when navigating as a route) based on straight line distance. In both cases the result was not what I expected. Because of the mountain the time to those points was longer than the time to other points. It resulted in a route where part of it had to be driven in both ways. This is unrelated to the topic we are discussing here. So I have logged a ticket for support to look at and I suggest we leave that for now.

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        All this discussion about WP1. I use my brain, when starting a route I always look at what the Navigation software or device is going to do before I start off. Commonly, I will manually skip WP1 before heading out just to eliminate a possible issue. Been fooled too many times when I trusted the s/w or device and ended up in a mess.

        2010 GL1800 Goldwing using Samsung Galaxy S20 5G Android 13.

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        • Herman Veldhuizenundefined Herman Veldhuizen

          @Stefan-Hummelink please spare me from your analysis on me. It serves no purpose.

          @Con-Hennekens I agree this is a relatively small issue. But add it to a few other issues and the trust goes out of the window. Thats pretty much where I am now. Dont get me wrong : I like MRA. I can see it has potential also for non bikers and I would be happy to pay more if I trusted it.

          I am quite sure that every new user will at some point get surprised by this nearest point issue. And I think by now that we all agree on the fact that it is confusing in my example that point 2 is picked as the nearest point. So the question is can something (simpel) be done to make it less confusing.

          My thought: The distance the app uses to determine wether the start should be skipped or not seems to be quite large. When the accuracy of the gps position is good, could it be a smaller? The problem with misplaced waypoints is not limited to the start. Every other point has the same problem so I can only blame myself if my start is far away from the road. I dont see the need to treat the start any different.
          Or : can the app somehow check upfront wether the Start is misplaced? By a mini simulation?

          Lastly, I am used to the message from tomtom when i start navigating to a destination. It tells me the ETA. A message like 'heading to waypoint 1 : Start' could be helpfull too. If it tells me 'heading to waypoint 2: Koffie' it would ring a bell.

          And if you haven't done it yet, i suggest you try out Beeline one day. It doesn't support the concept of navigating to nearest point but is has an interesting way of skipping to next and previous.

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          @Herman-Veldhuizen said in First point is often ignored:

          I am quite sure that every new user will at some point get surprised by this nearest point issue.

          Considering the ZERO (+1) questions about it on the forum I am pretty sure it won't.
          I am not saying no improvement is possible, but I do think you are probably overthinking it.

          When the accuracy of the gps position is good, could it be a smaller? The problem with misplaced waypoints is not limited to the start.

          Whether a WP is hit or not does not depend on the position of the waypoint itself, but on the projected position ON the road. That means that the actual start of the routeline, or the little black dot you see on the road if you place a WP next to it. And YES, this feature IS limited to the start, because that is when you continuously get send back to it when you start a route passed that point a little bit, which often happens on parkinglots and driveways. There were MANY complaints about the app keeping you guided back to the start, so YES there actually was a need to treat the start differently.

          Or : can the app somehow check upfront wether the Start is misplaced?

          It is not about the start being misplaced, it is about the rider being misplaced at the start.

          I am used to the message from tomtom when i start navigating to a destination. It tells me the ETA.

          That is not a bad idea, but probably most useful in A2B routes (single destination routes). You could of course take a look at your screen too, before driving off 😉

          And if you haven't done it yet, i suggest you try out Beeline one day. It doesn't support the concept of navigating to nearest point but is has an interesting way of skipping to next and previous.

          I have found myself in positions where I though some kind of back-button to skip back to the previous waypoint would come in very handy indeed. I find myself being too late pressing the revert button if a WP gets auto-skipped. That is because exactly at those moments I tend to be busy taking a wrong turn 🤣 . So yes, I would welcome such a feature!

          please spare me from your analysis on me. It serves no purpose.

          Let's try to be respectful to volunteers who just try to be helpful.

          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

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